Didn't actually expect a discussion on this, but it's awesome that there is.
Originally Posted by Suena
Ok. I've obviously missed out on tons of rad conversation here. heh. There are so many things I want to respond to going over the last few pages but only one thing really stuck out.
Tommo: I thought I'd put in my two cents. I know that comment wasn't directed at either of us. You can't say it in RL, that's no problem. But, here's my piece.
I can halfly agree with you about limiting parents to having only two kids, but that's only because that is my own personal limit, too. This is my last child. I've never been a big kid person. More than two would kill me. But do you really think that would help with overpopulation? Personally, I don't believe overpopulation is a problem.
The truth is, people are greedy and selfish and don't want to share and they Don't want to spread out into areas where there are less people. There is plenty of room on this earth. Maybe cities should have population limits? You know, like they do buildings?
It's a good idea. But.... you're not thinking about all the other living organisms. There's more than enough room for probably 100 billions people. If we spread out.
But we will be encroaching even more than we already are in to other animal's habitats.
People who move out in to the bush already say they want to be able to cut down trees (in Australia, this is forbidden to an extent) because "it is a danger" to them.
If you want to live in the bush, DON'T CUT DOWN ALL THE FUCKING TREES, OTHERWISE IT'S NOT THE BUSH ANYMORE!
Off the point, sorry. Point is, if we all spread out in to the less populated areas, they will eventually be more populated, land is cleared for houses, land around the house is cleared for they're worthless safety.
etc.
We'll just end up the same as we are now, but 1000000 times worse.
Originally Posted by Suena
I also think we have enough resources in the world to feed, clothe, and shelter every single being on this planet. But the world is ruled by money and hoarders. It would make it easier on the world, sure, if people had less children, but that's not where the problem lies. This monopoly money we toss around is the problem. If people thought maybe in terms of inventory, what we have and where we can put it, where we can use it the most and how to get it spread out and to the people all over the world, then it might not be so bad of a place for children to grow up.
This is definitely true. All of it.
It also relates to what I said in another recent post. Pretty much half the world is in poverty. If we cut work hours in half (4 hours a day), we could get everyone in a job.
Wages would have to stay liveable.
It's simple as fuck, but the people with all the money now won't let it happen too easily. However I also do not think it will be too long before this is absolutely unavoidable.
Originally Posted by Suena
Ok, so this sounds like I'm begging for world peace, and maybe I am (there's nothing wrong with that). This is an unlikely future as I see it right now. But there is hope for it. I'm really down with the whole Zeitgeist movement, by the way, so. I don't know, you could look there.
I kind of got turned off the Zeitgeist movement a bit when they split with the Venus Project. It may be a good thing, I still like both.
I just feel they need to be together, coz one is a solution, the other just outlines problems in a way with no real though-out solution.
Originally Posted by Suena
Basically, I just don't think it's right to blame these people for "overpopulation". Why let the world spit on your dreams? I'm a poor mom, but my kid is well taken care of thanks to me and the government and yes, your tax money. Is anybody really missing their snickers bar right now? Ok. That's that. And that was basically my rant.
You have a point here too. But dreams should have limits. When your dreams take away from other people, you should change your dreams.
I dream to have a mansion and Africa as my backyard (I don't actually). But that would take away an entire country from everybody else.
That's basically what mega rich people are doing on a SLIGHTLY smaller scale.
As for what, I think Singularity, said about some people having no kids and other having lots etc.
The problem is that mostly the people having heaps of kids are uneducated and unintelligent. Which makes all our problems worse with
every generation.
Anyway. Glad you could explain your ideas Suena.
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