Thread: Rant and Rave, Cry and Complain

Originally Posted by Alyzarin

I don't want my time getting to explore this world to end prematurely, but honestly sometimes I find it really difficult to convince myself that living the rest of my life is a more appealing option than suicide.

I know the feeling Aly, I really do. It sucks, and it's very tiring. But if you wait it goes away, for a while at least.

Originally Posted by Alyzarin

I don't quite know how to phrase this rant properly, I've tried starting with a few different sentences but none of them was right. I think I might just start typing and see what comes up. I feel like I'm losing touch with my humanity, like I've forgotten what it is to be really alive. But by humanity I don't mean as in being a human in the culture we've created for ourselves, but as in being just another part of the animal kingdom. It's like I've dissociated from nature. I used to feel connected to my animal instincts and just went with my desires, and everything made sense. Without this drive I don't know what I feel like, maybe some kind of machine at best. I used to feel this way back when I was really depressed, too, and I thought I'd escaped it. Now I just feel lost.... I think I've just become depersonalized from stress. I need to be revitalized.

I want to feel like an animal again.

Offering my listening services if you need it. I tend to be really good at putting perspective on things. Hope you sort your situation out.

Originally Posted by oneiroer

Thanks Tiresias! Would I need to boot from cd? I don't have any cds at the moment. And I don't know how to partition a hard drive.

CD or flash drive. Google how to do partitions. Read two or three articles on it. It isn't too hard, but you need to know the steps well. PM if you need some resources.

Thanks, guys. I've still been a little stressed, but I'm feeling a bit better today. I just wanted to type up this response really quick because I'm not sure if I'll be able to get on much more or at all again today, so I didn't want to just leave with that last message. I'm pretty much just doing this and signing off because I don't really have much time, but I promise I'll respond to you all fully later.

Ah, you're feeling better. Excellent. My offer still stands, if you wish to consider it.

No matter how hard I try to work for something, I always seem to set myself up for failure. Even if I would go for hours trying to practice something, there's always people that get the things I want faster. They have things they take for granted, and if I had what they had, I would be able to make those abilities useful and make myself a better person. But people just sit around like lazy asses with skills they could've used to make something for themselves, and it seems the only thing I have "good" is trying to have a decent morals.

Being able to support my closest friends while I'm still in a ditch all the time trying to work really hard really sucks, it's honestly becoming painful not getting any results for myself. I would happily give my place in college/university to someone else who is more lucky than I am, it seems hard work and trying to manage time isn't enough, because everyone else is either using drugs like Adderall, or energy drinks and other seize the moment products to make the grade.

People just make fun of others who try to use pure will instead of drugs/alcohol/etc. (excluding needed medication of course) to cope with life events, when they couldn't survive for weeks if they didn't have them. And I'm the one that's weird because I don't want to use those substances? Everyone is so damn predictable and weak, and sometimes I wonder why I'm concerned about their opinions of me.

Hai everyone, I haven't been on dreamviews for ages omfg. And I miss you guys

because everyone else is either using drugs like Adderall, or energy drinks and other seize the moment products to make the grade.

Really? People actually use those substances to get higher performance in academic settings? what the hell....it's not like they will turn them from a 15 average student to a 19 one, and normally those substances have annoying side-effects. Go figure out those people 0.0

Edit: decided to google and found loads of posts and "guides" about Adderall...can tell you this, we don't see this in my country at all, so I'm pretty surprised by all the information I'm reading atm

Guys.

Stay away from Adderall and other similar drugs/products, unless they're prescribed. There's nothing good to be found down that passageway at all. One of my friends was killed by a heart defect caused by an Adderall overdosage.

I was seriously on the last sentence of a dream journal post when my computer blue-screened me. WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! I don't waaaannna type it again! (I guess that's what I get for not writing it down first like I usually do.)

It's pretty common here as well at universities to use Adderal. I was prescribed it once and was on it for like 3 years, but don't believe I really had ADHD. It just made me into a zombie and I became dependent on it to think clearly at all. But I could concentrate pretty well. I just prefer to do things on my own. The only problem with it, besides the dependency, was that I felt like I didn't really deserve any of the accomplishments I achieved at the time, like I was cheating. But now, I understand wanting to take it under dire circumstances, like if you really can't concentrate and need to study for a test the next day.

The last thing I heard, the heart attack thing from Adderal was really rare, and only happened with people who already had heart conditions.

Originally Posted by Dianeva

The last thing I heard, the heart attack thing from Adderal was really rare, and only happened with people who already had heart conditions.

It doesn't matter how rare it is. Don't gamble with your life.

Sorry if I sound like a buzzkill or goody-two-shoes, but this is a subject I'm quite emotional about.

I understand the issue is emotionally charged for you, but that doesn't necessarily make adderall the devil. Granted, people ought to do proper research before getting into anything, if they choose to be cautious. Anyone with a heart condition should avoid amphetamines, just like how people with stomach conditions would do well to be moderate about their coffee intake. Every moment of life is a gamble, you just have to pick the smart gambles and avoid the reckless ones.

I used adderall to pass college classes with overwhelming workloads, and it actually worked pretty well. When I transferred to USU I didn't need it anymore because those classes were easy as shit, and I realized there was something wrong with requiring a drug in order to succeed in school. Not everyone I knew needed a drug, but everyone I knew who both passed their classes and had social lives would use it. It was also helpful for people with procrastination problems. That being said, it's pretty similar to meth, which I've also experimented with. The high is not that different, to be honest. If you think meth is the devil but you're willing to try adderall, then you need to fix your priorities.

Originally Posted by SnowyCat

It doesn't matter how rare it is. Don't gamble with your life.

It's probably rarer than getting into car accidents, and people take that gamble every day.

It's not just them taking Adderall that's the big issue, it's other forms of quick energy that gives them an unfair advantage. I'm aware that Adderall doesn't really boost everyone's awareness and ability to stay focused, but when people can fake ADHD and other OCD traits (and can go through the rigorous tests before getting the prescription; especially for my university), along with doctors who sell it to make a quick buck, combined with other quick energy methods, it's an unfair advantage.

Basically:


Adderall and/or quick energy drinks/pills + Tutoring services that charge 100s for study sessions for late night cramming = god mode.

Then combine the fact that people who have the "illegal" prescriptions or "faked" it don't even use the whole bottle, they sell the remaining to the other desperate souls, make more cash, save a few pills themselves for future exams. It just makes college less of an accomplishment. I will never resort to drugs, but when people could care less about it being equal to meth because they want to make the grade, it only supports how college is really just a rote memory trip.

It's when we can't take action against these things because people can fake it is what pisses me off. But again, I can't really do anything about it since I'm already in huge debt like any college student, so I might as well just do my best, accept that I took advice from uneducated parents, and just live life and whatever happens, happens.

EDIT: Dianeva's right, they are willing to take that gamble as long as they can make their parents think that their little johnny or betty "worked hard."

It's when we can't take action against these things because people can fake it is what pisses me off. But again, I can't really do anything about it since I'm already in huge debt like any college student, so I might as well just do my best, accept that I took advice from uneducated parents, and just live life and whatever happens, happens.

It may help to think that despite their success, your success can still come. It's just like rich and non-rich people: the rich people can achieve things without worrying and working for them, while the rest of us has to work hard to pay their studies and get into the universities we want. So yes, you may have to work harder to achieve same results, but if you reach your goals you'll remember that you took the long road

I had to drop my university due mental illness, and when I started to function better again I went to get a job to get money to come back, my parents said they had financial problems due their own fault (which could be avoided if they knew how to actually not spend money like they were rich) and that needed my money. I'm working for 2 years now without seeing any of the cash, and watching my colleagues who have super low grades graduate. Being the top student of my year in the university didn't help me avoiding to get stuck in this hole So yes, I think I'm following you and saying: screw you luck xD

I guess these are just hard lessons that we have to deal with. What doesn't kill you makes you stronger ^^

There are many problems with society that I wish we could fix, but unfortunately such a thing will never happen without a plethora of other problems. You might as well ask for a utopia.

Which is another thing to rant and rave about entirely, of course. But we cannot have everything. I could go on for hours about how our society is screwed up beyond belief, but I shall not. It would be pointless.

Just as pointless as some of the things people do for power, knowledge, recognition, and more.

If only people weren't predisposed to being selfish.

Originally Posted by Zhaylin

I made this post soon after Tommo's reply, but DV kept giving me and "Error" that the page couldn't be found.
BUt I copied my reply to Notepad

"Why, thank you very much, Tommo
But why is it guys are usually so much better at this stuff My hubby's awesome at picking out clothes for me. I've known other guys with exceptional tastes too

Now, I just need to find my tape measure again.

heh, dunno if all guys are. I just read a lot of random stuff and remembered reading about that a while ago.
I suppose girls have those "wives tales" type of things too and tend to trust each other's advice with those female things because they can be embarassing.

Originally Posted by Dianeva

Iebgkjwen

hahahah, I KNEW that was coming. Because I did EXACTLY THE SAME THING! with my new computer.

I have no idea how it happened either, but somehow I had ended up plugging in to the motherboard.
I'd installed windows 8 and something fucked up and it wouldn't start up completely, and the screen just stayed black. (Obviously, the motherboard videocard doesn't work until the computer has started up completely).

I formatted again, re-installed windows 8 and set everything up, and it fucked up again (can't remember how exactly) and then "........... oh FUCK YOU TOM"
Monitor plugged in to the motherboard....

It was such a relief, thinking I'd fried my brand new videocard or something. But at the same time astoundingly annoying.

Double posting, don't care.

Originally Posted by Linkzelda

No matter how hard I try to work for something, I always seem to set myself up for failure. Even if I would go for hours trying to practice something, there's always people that get the things I want faster. They have things they take for granted, and if I had what they had, I would be able to make those abilities useful and make myself a better person. But people just sit around like lazy asses with skills they could've used to make something for themselves, and it seems the only thing I have "good" is trying to have a decent morals.

Being able to support my closest friends while I'm still in a ditch all the time trying to work really hard really sucks, it's honestly becoming painful not getting any results for myself. I would happily give my place in college/university to someone else who is more lucky than I am, it seems hard work and trying to manage time isn't enough, because everyone else is either using drugs like Adderall, or energy drinks and other seize the moment products to make the grade.

People just make fun of others who try to use pure will instead of drugs/alcohol/etc. (excluding needed medication of course) to cope with life events, when they couldn't survive for weeks if they didn't have them. And I'm the one that's weird because I don't want to use those substances? Everyone is so damn predictable and weak, and sometimes I wonder why I'm concerned about their opinions of me.

Um, well I'm not condoning making fun of people for decisions, but if you can use tools to help you do better at something, use them.
It's just arbitrary and stupid to say that Adderall is different than a computer.
You can write essays more quickly with a computer, but it also has distractions.
You can concentrate better on Adderall but if you get interested in how a door knob works, you may get distracted for hours taking it apart.

Let me tell you, scientific researchers are the largest users of Adderall (and other nootropics like Piracetam etc.) There's absolutely nothing wrong with it if you make sure the benefits outweigh the costs.
That means you don't keep increasing the dosage to get high.
If you maintain a steady dose which gives you positive effects without the negatives, you will not become dependent and it can only help you.
There are no real long-term problems from it. If you don't have problems within the first couple of weeks, you most likely won't get problems later on.

They are just tools, and to exclude them from things you use is just arbitrary and baseless.

Originally Posted by Dianeva

It's pretty common here as well at universities to use Adderal. I was prescribed it once and was on it for like 3 years, but don't believe I really had ADHD. It just made me into a zombie and I became dependent on it to think clearly at all. But I could concentrate pretty well. I just prefer to do things on my own. The only problem with it, besides the dependency, was that I felt like I didn't really deserve any of the accomplishments I achieved at the time, like I was cheating. But now, I understand wanting to take it under dire circumstances, like if you really can't concentrate and need to study for a test the next day.

The last thing I heard, the heart attack thing from Adderal was really rare, and only happened with people who already had heart conditions.

See this? This is a perfectly rational post. It doesn't go overboard one side or the other. It takes things in to consideration and doesn't make judgements on other people.

Link, your post is judgemental as fuck, you're criticising people for critcising you. And both sides of that have no reason to do so.

It doesn't matter how rare it is. Don't gamble with your life.

Sorry if I sound like a buzzkill or goody-two-shoes, but this is a subject I'm quite emotional about.

This is also the opposite of a rational post.
Every day you gamble with your life. As Dianeva pointed out, you have a greater risk of dying in a car accident than from Adderall.
Of course it matters how rare it is. If it only harms people with really dodgy hearts, the risk is next to 0.

Anyway, my main point is you have a much better chance of convincing people of your opinion if you don't take things to extremes and criticise people.
I don't know why I got so passionate about this post. I drank a lot of cocoa before and it always hypes me up. (Don't drink cocoa! It's gambling with your life, that Theobromine drug is a menace to our children!)

Also Link, you seem to be of the opinion that Adderall and other nootropics do the work for you.
They do not. They help you focus, and that's about it.
You still have to put the work in, it's not effortless.

My problem isn't with utilizing extra tools for success. It's the fact that many people cannot access those same tools for many reasons.

Lack of money or access to them would be a common one.

Originally Posted by Linkzelda

It's not just them taking Adderall that's the big issue, it's other forms of quick energy that gives them an unfair advantage. I'm aware that Adderall doesn't really boost everyone's awareness and ability to stay focused, but when people can fake ADHD and other OCD traits (and can go through the rigorous tests before getting the prescription; especially for my university), along with doctors who sell it to make a quick buck, combined with other quick energy methods, it's an unfair advantage.

Basically:


Adderall and/or quick energy drinks/pills + Tutoring services that charge 100s for study sessions for late night cramming = god mode.

Then combine the fact that people who have the "illegal" prescriptions or "faked" it don't even use the whole bottle, they sell the remaining to the other desperate souls, make more cash, save a few pills themselves for future exams. It just makes college less of an accomplishment. I will never resort to drugs, but when people could care less about it being equal to meth because they want to make the grade, it only supports how college is really just a rote memory trip.

It's when we can't take action against these things because people can fake it is what pisses me off. But again, I can't really do anything about it since I'm already in huge debt like any college student, so I might as well just do my best, accept that I took advice from uneducated parents, and just live life and whatever happens, happens.

EDIT: Dianeva's right, they are willing to take that gamble as long as they can make their parents think that their little johnny or betty "worked hard."

College is already unfair because people learn differently.

Um, well I'm not condoning making fun of people for decisions, but if you can use tools to help you do better at something, use them.
It's just arbitrary and stupid to say that Adderall is different than a computer.
You can write essays more quickly with a computer, but it also has distractions.
You can concentrate better on Adderall but if you get interested in how a door knob works, you may get distracted for hours taking it apart.

Let me tell you, scientific researchers are the largest users of Adderall (and other nootropics like Piracetam etc.) There's absolutely nothing wrong with it if you make sure the benefits outweigh the costs.
That means you don't keep increasing the dosage to get high.
If you maintain a steady dose which gives you positive effects without the negatives, you will not become dependent and it can only help you.
There are no real long-term problems from it. If you don't have problems within the first couple of weeks, you most likely won't get problems later on.

They are just tools, and to exclude them from things you use is just arbitrary and baseless.

I forgot to mention I have an Akashic Records Defilibrator that allows me to plan out all possible scenarios based on the current situation I'm in now. I forgot to mention that, you're right.

Silly me.

See this? This is a perfectly rational post. It doesn't go overboard one side or the other. It takes things in to consideration and doesn't make judgements on other people.

Link, your post is judgemental as fuck, you're criticising people for critcising you. And both sides of that have no reason to do so

In order to take things into consideration, to weight the pros and cons, to understand both sides, you need to apply judgement in some way.


Also, you're criticising me for me criticising people for criticising me.


I'm presuming you had some experience with Adderall, and because you're just one case scenario compared to millions, I highly doubt your case dominates the cases of others. This is exactly like the cutting ordeal I gave my opinion before, people who are this passionate usually don't want to feel insecure when someone states that others doing this is wrong.

So if you took Adderall, don't feel too bad about what I said, but if you didn't take Adderall, then you must be extremely bored to find something to argue about.

This is also the opposite of a rational post.
Every day you gamble with your life. As Dianeva pointed out, you have a greater risk of dying in a car accident than from Adderall.
Of course it matters how rare it is. If it only harms people with really dodgy hearts, the risk is next to 0.

Yeah, people with dodgy hearts are rare man, and cardiac failure is definitely rare based on your logic. Yes, Cardiac failures definitely are not one of the most common deaths.

My chances of catching a Ho-Oh is also more probable than someone dying from Adderall. Oh, and let me support your logic once more, drinking energy drinks that have alcohol in them, and reaching a BAC of .30 to reach comatose and potentially death isn't so bad as well!

Nicely done Tommo! I'm amazed at the consistency you've done in a professional manner that's devoid of any kind of judgement on your part. Now that's what I call a rational post!

5/5, wished I could rate 10/5 (but we can't do that now unfortunately).

Anyway, my main point is you have a much better chance of convincing people of your opinion if you don't take things to extremes and criticise people.
I don't know why I got so passionate about this post. I drank a lot of cocoa before and it always hypes me up. (Don't drink cocoa! It's gambling with your life, that Theobromine drug is a menace to our children!)

Yes, that last sentence definitely wasn't full of jest and aimed for being extreme, I need to make sure I take notes from you tommo, you surely know how to make unbiased responses too!

You stating my "judgemental as fuck" response is clearly 100% non-judgemental on your part.

Also Link, you seem to be of the opinion that Adderall and other nootropics do the work for you.
They do not. They help you focus, and that's about it.
You still have to put the work in, it's not effortless.

Wow, there you go again implying that I think Adderall is a magical cure all that enables me to just sit back and relax and watch things at work.

Of course I don't think it does all the work, didn't you pay attention on what I said that it allows some people to have better focus and awareness of things?

I was watching the news just now and they were covering this story where this girl took her own life just recently. She was gang raped by 4 guys at a party at the age of 15, the guys took pictures, people spread them around on Facebook/school, and she was harassed daily for it. She was fucking raped, did absolutely nothing wrong, yet she was constantly bullied for being a "slut."

Another girl was gang raped at a party a little while back too. Not in a back room with the doors closed, but out in the open in a main room. With people standing around, cheering the attackers on and taking pictures/videos. The poor girls screaming for help and the 50+ people around her are just standing there laughing and enjoying the show. She faced the same harassment (online and in person) as the other girl but luckily she didn't commit suicide.

And the most frustrating thing about it all, is that no one was punished for it (aside from the victims). Because apparently photos, videos, and countless witnesses "isn't enough evidence." What the fuck is wrong with people, how goddamn stupid can you get...? Not enough evidence!?!?!?

The penalties for sex crimes in this country (and countless others, I'm sure) are absolutely ridiculous. For years I've been reading the same bullshit in the newspaper and even as a child I could tell things were fucked up. How the hell is it that drug related offenses get harsher sentences than sex crimes? Hell, marijuana offenses even lead to harsher sentences.



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I was going go respond to more but went on a rant and have to sleep.

Originally Posted by SnowyCat

It doesn't matter how rare it is. Don't gamble with your life.

Sorry if I sound like a buzzkill or goody-two-shoes, but this is a subject I'm quite emotional about.

About my response before, it still stands but after reading OP's post I've realized I do understand. Sometimes it's hard not to have a biased opinion about something that's affected you personally. Like I feel like US Customs and Homeland Security are completely evil right now, due to one bad encounter and the resulting irrational fear, and it's hard to get rid of this feeling even though I know it isn't rational. I mean their procedures might be strict and horrible, but the way I see them is far overboard... I'm as afraid of them as if they're in there torturing and raping people on whims or something. Similarly with your friend dying from adderall. When something happens 'close to home' we tend to consider it really worth worrying about, even if it's actually rare.

Originally Posted by Linkzelda

In order to take things into consideration, to weight the pros and cons, to understand both sides, you need to apply judgement in some way.

I agree that you need to use judgment while making decisions about what side you're going to stand on. If you think about an issue thoroughly and end up finding one side completely irrational, if you're familiar with their reasons but disagree with them, and they're destroying some element of life you value, it would make sense to become furious with them and rant about it occasionally.

But you seem to do this all the time, and I'm not sure whether or not you're always completely justified in your level of anger at people. You seem to often blame everyone but yourself for every problem you have in your life. Maybe it really is their problem. Maybe you are a genius and have out-thought everyone else about every issue. Maybe you really never do anything wrong yourself and everything has been someone else's fault. But I doubt it. I think that you'd deny that you believe this, but after reading your posts for a long time now, it really seems like that's what you think. But maybe you only decide to rant when you do have those strong judgmental thoughts, and the rest of the time you're completely normal, I guess I don't really know. It's like you need to think that you're superior all the time, and so you get a bit irrational at times or exaggerate your sureness of conclusions so that you can feel you're properly justified in your anger.

You also seem to hold in a lot while not on the internet. From your stories, it seems like in general, when something bad happens to you and you're angry at someone, instead of confronting the person, you go home to DV and vent about it on there. There's nothing wrong with venting one's problems on a forum, but I feel a bit sorry for those people you interact with in real life. If the hints I've been getting from your posts are correct, those people that you interact with often, but have serious problems with, are kept oblivious to your real opinions of them because you want to maintain a likable personality and manipulate them. But they think you're just their friend. I know I'd be very upset if I were to find out that a friend has held terrible opinions of me for years and never bothered to confront me with them. We aren't 'friends' but it's occurred to me that that's what I'm doing to you now in a way (inb4). But it isn't that big of a deal. I do think you're a really smart person and like you in general, what I've described is just an opinion which I'm not even sure is true of a single aspect of your personality.

Yeah it's disgusting, and both the justice system and the new media's handling of this shit makes me want to throw up. If I knew those guys, if I lived in that town...