Thread: Jeff777's Free-falling WILD technique!

It's really simple actually, don't try to come up with things like bears sailing in tea cups on a honey ocean, because it's not sustainable or really realistic to be lying there trying to think like that. Literally just imagine the voices of you friends and family saying little snippets of conversation, after a little while your brain takes over, and eventually you'll experience more extreme hypnagogia.

Originally Posted by DraxQuin

Holy crap I realized I am absolutely terrible at coming up with illogical thoughts or visualizations I suck so badly at it. I literally could only come up with 2 things initially, then I became to alert because I kept focusing so I could think up more. Also so far I haven't noticed any illogical thoughts during SP.

I never make my own, as I relax and get sleepy they come up on their own.

Also, the illogical thoughts don't occur during SP, they occur way way before...

I can get the HI but never illogical images/thoughts? Suggestions?
I have tried thinking it up myself too but i didnt know what to think so it just failed

Originally Posted by Dreamer4127

I can get the HI but never illogical images/thoughts? Suggestions?
I have tried thinking it up myself too but i didnt know what to think so it just failed

My situation is the other way around lol, I always have illogical thoughts and sometimes images but I never get HI.

I wish Jeff777 would read through his thread and offer some advice..

Wow, this guide actually makes sense to me. I can't say I've read a guide that details the "illogical thoughts" before. I tried it, but I read over this tutorial again and I think my problem was that I didn't "catch" myself. I feel like I got farther though. I'm gonna see how this works tonight after I've slept some. Thanks!

Last night I was thinking like every night, when boom! SP hit me. I am not using any technique (I wasn't thinking about LDs these days) but It was pretty much like this guide.

Too bad It was at midnight, before sleeping (at least) a couple of cycles. Looking forward excited!

I need to get back into WILDing again. Terribly out of practice. I think I'll be trying your method.

I need to get back into LDing again xP. I was gone for 2 months, didn't write my dreams down, so of course my recall sucks right now, but I think I'll try this technique tonight

good tutorial, one question tho, you say to mimic your breathing patterns of when you are asleep by breathing deeply, but I have read elsewhere that during REM sleep or dream sleep, our breathing is a bit more shallow and fast and is the lightest stage of sleep. Is this contradictory to your guide because I'd assume its different for everyone.

oh and also, you say that if we started this technique not on our back, we should then lie on our back for step 3, but wouldn't moving break you out of this whole attempt to get to SP?

I think I finally really understand why this is so effective. Rather than wait for ages for something to happen as most WILD tutorials suggest (and let's face it, there's no guarantee, we've all had the experience of just lying there for half an hour getting increasingly uncomfortable) this takes you straight into sleep... and then gives you just enough consciousness to get you into a dream, lucid.

Step 3 says to "move to lay on your back" if we weren't already. Won't that big of a movement just wake me up?

Originally Posted by jasonresno

Step 3 says to "move to lay on your back" if we weren't already. Won't that big of a movement just wake me up?

The first few steps weren't meant to make you fall asleep. After step 3 is preparation for sleep. The steps prior to that is getting you into state/trance.

Originally Posted by Jeff777

The first few steps weren't meant to make you fall asleep. After step 3 is preparation for sleep. The steps prior to that is getting you into state/trance.

Thank you for your quick response. One more question, if I may. So after the final step, where we are mimicking our breathing and no longer thinking logically, what should be the next step for the first time WILDer? Will I just wake up in a dream?

I don't understand what to do after you enter SP. Cause I've entered SP a few times before only to open my eyes and find out I'm still in bed. Isn't there something telling me I'm dreaming even BEFORE I do R.C?

Originally Posted by jasonresno

Thank you for your quick response. One more question, if I may. So after the final step, where we are mimicking our breathing and no longer thinking logically, what should be the next step for the first time WILDer? Will I just wake up in a dream?

Not necessarily. This technique is just meant to get you into sleep paralysis (which is the hardest part about WILD'ing). Keep practicing until you have become proficient at achieving sleep paralysis. Once you've done that, then you can time your attempts with WBTB so that you can take advantage of your REM cycles (lucid dreams only occur in REM).

With that being said, I feel the need to re-emphasize that this method is purely for inducing sleep paralysis.

Originally Posted by MrBlonde

I don't understand what to do after you enter SP. Cause I've entered SP a few times before only to open my eyes and find out I'm still in bed. Isn't there something telling me I'm dreaming even BEFORE I do R.C?

I'm guessing you don't use WBTB's?

Hey Jeff, will you be planning to write any other WILD tutorials? Maybe one just purely on transition?

Originally Posted by Jeff777

Not necessarily. This technique is just meant to get you into sleep paralysis (which is the hardest part about WILD'ing). Keep practicing until you have become proficient at achieving sleep paralysis. Once you've done that, then you can time your attempts with WBTB so that you can take advantage of your REM cycles (lucid dreams only occur in REM).

With that being said, I feel the need to re-emphasize that this method is purely for inducing sleep paralysis.



I'm guessing you don't use WBTB's?

Uh? How is that WBTB? I'm in my bed I'm nearing SP. I feel like my whole body is moving(like most if not all tut say) I stay still I open my eyes and low and behold I'm in my room again. RC and then I know for sure. What I really wanted to know is how come you didn't continue on with your tut about after you enter SP. You seem to have just stopped short.

Does this technique work without prior sleep eg. during night time right before actually sleeping, because I've had insomnia for the past few days for no apparent reason and would like to try WILD'ing at night.

Originally Posted by lawilahd

Does this technique work without prior sleep eg. during night time right before actually sleeping, because I've had insomnia for the past few days for no apparent reason and would like to try WILD'ing at night.

WILD is best done with about 4-7 hours of sleep prior or during an afternoon nap.
But to answer your question, you CAN, but your lucid dream will be choppier and shorter.

Originally Posted by MrBlonde

Uh? How is that WBTB? I'm in my bed I'm nearing SP. I feel like my whole body is moving(like most if not all tut say) I stay still I open my eyes and low and behold I'm in my room again. RC and then I know for sure. What I really wanted to know is how come you didn't continue on with your tut about after you enter SP. You seem to have just stopped short.

Are you absolutely sure you're entering sleep paralysis?

I you are then there are a variety of dream entry techniques you can try. Visualising tactile sensations on your body 'pulling' you into a dream, observing hypnagogia until it starts to form a dream scene (or speeding up the process by imagining a dream scene to enter). If you're more of an OBE/AP sort of guy you can try 'rolling' your non-physical body out of the bed without moving your physical body.

i have used this tech, but i don't know if this is to induce sp or induce a wild.

Originally Posted by fgopl

i have used this tech, but i don't know if this is to induce sp or induce a wild.

This technique is to induce sp, which is used to induce a WILD.

Originally Posted by fgopl

i have used this tech, but i don't know if this is to induce sp or induce a wild.

You'll find very few techniques for WILD that don't involve SP and you'll find none for inducing SP alone.