Quote Originally Posted by FlyingIceCream View Post
If you're trying to WILD without pre sleep you're doing it wrong and you will fail. No amount of laying still or not swallowing will fix that
It's possible like that too, since i succeeded twice, but true that it's much much harder and will take longer than usual... and it's not even worth it, since when i succeeded i found myself in a NREM dream both times.