Thread: Secrets of the Dream Plane

very interesting! thanks

So, you believe that entities encountered within the dreamplane are not only outside of our consciousness, alive and sentient, but also the perhaps they exist within our universe? Within this dimension? And that it is conceivable to create life from a 'dream' semen?

I am by no means judging here, I am just interested to hear what you believe!

Thanks

Oh, you never came across as judgemental to me. I have told myself not to belief in anything.. Yet, rather utilize my energy to explore these concepts as much as i can without possibly contaminating my impression with faulty beliefs.

Nevertheless, metaphysical ideas float in my mind like water flows from a fountain. Perhaps Sexual energy plays a role in making dream babies. Some form of energy has to be present in the first place to extrapolate from. I guess laws of physics continue to play a role in dreams, albeit in a different way.

Yes, i also believe in sentient beings. In this world perhaps. But i am in crisis as to whether they reside in this dimension. If there are an infinite amount of dimensions. Or a second dimensions in which they reside. My intuition points to the latter. An underlying mechanism an inner universe of sorts. In which plants, humans and even the earth itself plays a conscious role. I guess this underlying dimension is the original source of consciousness. And provides the mechanism in which shared dreaming is possible.

Two cents:

1. How is this thread still alive?

2. Is it honestly worth it to throw what I believe on the table? Or what I've experienced?

1. Blame WakingNomad's virile thread-seed, coupled with the irresistable mythos of shared-dreaming.

2. That can only be answered by you; but I for one am willing to hear where you've been (or who you've made, given the current topic).

But everything I've experienced either happened in waking life or through the telepathic viewing of the (messed-up) dreams of a close friend of mine. :/

^^ Sounds like a good fit for this thread! It got resurrected with a discussion of dream babies, after all; I'm not sensing any taboos here...

It is only useful in the context of getting to know each other, i think

Well , have you ever come accross beings that only exist in the dreamverse ? I wonder how powerful would a dream child would have potential to grow since he'd be conscious only in the dream world XD

Okay, okay. I'll post as much as is relevant to the dream realm.

I'll call my friend "Fluffly", as that is quite literally what I call her in real life. She is twenty, about 5' 3", and 180 lbs. (Hey, even she admits she's overweight.)

Firstly, there's the telepathy. I'll be concise on this point, as it is not directly tied in to most talk of dreaming, but I must mention it to make sense of some later parts.
While I have been at college in Kansas, numerous times (at least a dozen) while on the phone with Fluffy I have been able to accurately tell her what she's wearing, and vice versa. When she found out about a close friend of hers dying, I heard her cry out even though I was practicing drumming at the time. Once back home in Iowa I heard her ask me (from ~12 miles away) "Elliot, are you getting this?" very clearly. We've traded images telepathically, and she has on many occasions heard songs in my head that she had never head before then.

Next, her dreams.
With very few exceptions, she is always lucid. However, she has absolutely no dream control (aside from normal waking functions)

She easily loses consciousness when certain nerve points are pressed just right or if she is prompted to. For example, there was one instance when I snapped my fingers in front of her and commanded her "Sleep." She went out like a light.

Commonly, when she is asleep, I can see into her dreams telepathically. I'll use the above instance.

After causing her to fall asleep, I tried to imagine what her dream was, and... I could see.
She was standing, dressed in a ballgown, in a vast, rolling field of short grass next to a horse-drawn cart. (hey, we're from Iowa. go figure.) Later we noted that her dream-self is healthier than her real-life self, you could even say "unbroken" : three or four inches taller, a little slimmer and generally better-cared for.
On a whim, I imagined myself in her dream, and I appeared as I had thought - on the cart. She reacted, noticing me, so I figured that it might have worked. I poked her and she giggled as I tried to keep my imagination/projection from 'glitching' and shortly after she woke up.

When she woke, I asked her to describe what she'd seen. It was already a common test between us, so she understood that I just wanted to make sure that it had worked. She then proceeded to tell me detail-for-detail what I had 'seen' and done telepathically.

On top of telepathy, a lot of spiritual stuff around her also gets into her dream life.
Two spiritual entities that keep re-occurring in her life are the angel she calls Zeke and the demon I refer to as Coroc. (please, please, please note that neither of those names are accurate. They are both names one of us use to refer to them. "Zeke" acknowledges that name for reference sake, and "Coroc" is what many have called a Halley's Demon, and likewise does not or can not speak.)
The first time I was ever around either of them was when the later showed up at me Graduation party, and likewise the former came to protect Fluffy. He does a lot of that, to be honest; not like a "Guardian Angel", he just chooses to protect her.

The first instance of my 'seeing' her dreams helps to make sense of the spiritual stuff that happens around her. In this case, I was at college in Kansas, so there's a physical distance of about 500 miles to consider in this instance.
She had called to chat about anything. That happened a lot that year, as we were both bored a lot and I had just gotten a cell phone. This time, though, she started to describe a dream she had, and I saw it in my head (or so I thought). I quickly stopped her and asked to describe the rest.
What I saw was this:
Fluffy, crouched and hugging her knees, in a mountain cave that opened directly into a flat, sparse desert. In the distance more mountains could be seen, again coming down straight to the desert floor. Walking from the right to left just outside the mouth of the cave was "Coroc", wielding an axe (which I described in detail). I told her more detail, but I'm trying in vain to keep this short.
One odd thought that came to me was to ask her to mentally "turn around" in her memory of the dream and look to the vantage point from where I was describing the dream. "What do you see?" I asked. She replied "Zeke".
o_O

Anyways. Last bit.

One time, Fluffy and I and two other friends were hanging out at one of their[s?] house[es?] (Dang English language) Once again Fluffy konked off by accident, and we thought little of it and waited for her to wake up. One of us glanced over and noted that she looked like "she's having a nightmare".
When I "thought" into her dream, I saw that she was in that same field (where all of her dreams start, she said), but that she was surrounded by demons. They were so thick in numbers as they flew around her that you couldn't even see the scenery or most of the sky.
I immediately "thought" myself into her dream and made a sweeping motion from one point through a whole circle, meaning to "sweep" the demons into one place. It worked, too, surprising the one who was leading them! I pulled them all into a ball and compressed it until it melted and poured into a crack in the ground.


Think about that. Massive dream control, possibly assaulting demons or spiritual entities, while telepathically sharing a dream. While awake.

...What the heck?

WOW - that is incredible!!

I have heard about telepathic links before but this is insane!

some quick questions!

- How long have you been able to do this with fluffy? At what age did you notice you could?
- Are you able to do this to anyone else? (go into there dreams or minds while awake?)
- is fluffy narcoleptic?
- what sort of state do you go in when you go into her dreams - is it a meditative trance state? Waking Hynagogia? Sleeping? Or just an image in your minds eye?
- Are you able to enter her dreams when you sleep?

Originally Posted by floatinghead

WOW - that is incredible!!

I have heard about telepathic links before but this is insane!

some quick questions!

- How long have you been able to do this with fluffy? At what age did you notice you could?
- Are you able to do this to anyone else? (go into there dreams or minds while awake?)
- is fluffy narcoleptic?
- what sort of state do you go in when you go into her dreams - is it a meditative trance state? Waking Hynagogia? Sleeping? Or just an image in your minds eye?
- Are you able to enter her dreams when you sleep?

Er, thanks! ^_^

As for your questions... lemme think.
If I remember truly, the telepathic experiences started happening either in the last part of my senior year of high school or the summer between high school and college. I've never had any dream-related or telepathic experiences with anyone else. Narcolepsy? [looks up definition] Oh! Naw. She's no more prone to odd sleeping habits of her own accord than any late-night gamer.

As for the state-of-mind, it's just a mind's-eye fort of thing. I've always had a vivid imagination, and soon after the telepathic stuff started I began to realize that some of the things I thought I imagined were (debatably) real things. (spiritual beings, mostly, but also Fluffy's dreams)

I've never shared her dreams, though you did remind me of something she mentioned a couple times: her shared dreams. She's shared dreams with people multiple times when they have been asleep near her. For example, a friend at a sleep-over, her sister, and a young boy who fell asleep on her lap (shortly before she fell asleep herself.)
I'm rather surprised that we've never had the chance to try that ourselves, seeing as we're very close friends and I visited often back in high school.

Ah, dear Fluffy. There is a lot that could be told about her, spirits, telepathy, and dreams. And her sister! Oh, gosh. Her sister. She's even worse when it comes to dreams, but I don't think I have the right to discuss her experiences without asking first. :/

What's interesting is that it is Fluffy who is prone for Paranormal experiences. It could be her openness makes her more vulnerable. You mentioned she has no dream control. You seem to have it, and somehow you fulfill her needs in that regard as someone who can protect her from darker entities in dreams.

Incredible account of events Signet. I'm glad that you decided to share it here! ty

Signet,

When you said " If I remember truly" it made me think that maybe you and Fluffy no longer share these experiences. Are you two still close? Keep in touch? Did the telepathic experiences stop, and if so, why?

Originally Posted by RealIllusions

Signet,

When you said " If I remember truly" it made me think that maybe you and Fluffy no longer share these experiences. Are you two still close? Keep in touch? Did the telepathic experiences stop, and if so, why?

Ah, I said that because the memory is from a couple years ago, when these sort of things first started. (Sr in high school, Jr in college.)
You're right, though. Well, kind of. I'd say we're still close - closer than most people, all telepathy considered - but we haven't bothered to chat much this last year. She's cutting her way in the world of low-income jobs, and I'm trying to drag myself through the second half of college... 500 miles from home. :/
Paranormal/telepathic stuff still happens to us when we're around each other nowdays. That's just a lot less often than back in high school. Again, :/

Originally Posted by Dthoughts

What's interesting is that it is Fluffy who is prone for Paranormal experiences. It could be her openness makes her more vulnerable. You mentioned she has no dream control. You seem to have it, and somehow you fulfill her needs in that regard as someone who can protect her from darker entities in dreams.

Incredible account of events Signet. I'm glad that you decided to share it here! ty

Oh, I'm not the only one. Zeke has been there for her since childhood.
And you're welcome! (Though there are more stories I could tell about her. Like the time I dropped a soldering iron on my leg and *she* got burnt from it...)

You NEED to make her sign up to dreamviews - lol! She certainly sounds like she has an incredible gift!!

Can she 'tap' into others heads at will or is it only those who she gets close to?

Have you ever tried to teach her dream control? Or does her 'openness' make it more difficult for her to control a dream in comparison to the rest of us?

Originally Posted by floatinghead

You NEED to make her sign up to dreamviews - lol! She certainly sounds like she has an incredible gift!!

Can she 'tap' into others heads at will or is it only those who she gets close to?

Have you ever tried to teach her dream control? Or does her 'openness' make it more difficult for her to control a dream in comparison to the rest of us?

Hah! I've said the same thing about this place to her before. She likes the idea, but she just isn't all that connected to the world of the internet.
She's talked on many occasions about reading other people. Friends, teachers (a real temptation to be resisted while taking tests, she said), even strangers... I think. I'll have to ask on that last one again. She even has had one strange instance where she and a friend of ours were in some way tightly linked telepathically for a moment and a small part of him (the friend) remained "in" herself afterwards. Those are her words (approximately), not mine, as I was not there for that instance. I would add, however, that the person I see through her eyes has been just slightly different since then, so it makes sense to me.
yeah, did I mention that I read eyes?

As for dream control... eh. I've noted to her that she still was able to exercise dream control when she told a DC "come along with me". It was more of a social sort of dream control, but it still worked.
Personally, I think her lack of dream control is not all just from her being wired REALLY weirdly, but also somewhat from her bad experiences with demon(s), her constant protection from Zeke, and a lack of thinking she can or trying to exercise control in the first place.

If you really want to get a shock, you'd want the other friend (the one I mentioned just above) to get on here and post about it. I've been nagging him for years (literally. Since I joined) to get an account, but all he's done is get one and not use it - so as to troll me.

Oh well.

Originally Posted by Signet

Hah! I've said the same thing about this place to her before. She likes the idea, but she just isn't all that connected to the world of the internet.
She's talked on many occasions about reading other people. Friends, teachers (a real temptation to be resisted while taking tests, she said), even strangers... I think. I'll have to ask on that last one again. She even has had one strange instance where she and a friend of ours were in some way tightly linked telepathically for a moment and a small part of him (the friend) remained "in" herself afterwards. Those are her words (approximately), not mine, as I was not there for that instance. I would add, however, that the person I see through her eyes has been just slightly different since then, so it makes sense to me.
yeah, did I mention that I read eyes?



As for dream control... eh. I've noted to her that she still was able to exercise dream control when she told a DC "come along with me". It was more of a social sort of dream control, but it still worked.
Personally, I think her lack of dream control is not all just from her being wired REALLY weirdly, but also somewhat from her bad experiences with demon(s), her constant protection from Zeke, and a lack of thinking she can or trying to exercise control in the first place.

If you really want to get a shock, you'd want the other friend (the one I mentioned just above) to get on here and post about it. I've been nagging him for years (literally. Since I joined) to get an account, but all he's done is get one and not use it - so as to troll me.

Oh well.

Naturally we get quite a bit of baloney here on the beyond section so we need to take what people post with a pinch of salt, however, I really want to believe what you are posting about and would love to hear more about you and your friend. From what you have told us so far there is so much to learn and extrapolate from the way you both work. I believe we all have natural untapped abilities but it is a skill (for us) that needs to be practiced and honed, some people have this skill naturally (fluffy for example) and from people like her we can learn so much and progress much faster through what we learn.

Has she had any experience with the dead? (talking to or messages from)

What did you mean when you said you could read eyes?

Could you elaborate on what her experiences were with demons within dreams?

What is the user name of your friend?

What do you personally believe the dream plane is? (existing inside our 'heads' or an external place we visit?)

Originally Posted by floatinghead

Naturally we get quite a bit of baloney here on the beyond section so we need to take what people post with a pinch of salt, however, I really want to believe what you are posting about and would love to hear more about you and your friend.

Yeah, I can understand how a lot of BS would come flying through here from people hoping that you/we all will jump at it. And I can't offer much in the way of evidence for my claims, sadly, but I'll answer what I can.

Has she had any experience with the dead? (talking to or messages from)
What did you mean when you said you could read eyes?
Could you elaborate on what her experiences were with demons within dreams?
What is the user name of your friend?
What do you personally believe the dream plane is? (existing inside our 'heads' or an external place we visit?)

Dead? Hmm. That could be. She once told me that her father had seen his mom one time late at night when he was younger. She mentioned it when we were hypothesizing about a spirit or ghost or something that had been hanging around the house. (and acting like her late uncle.)

Eye reading? Nothing much - I simply recognize the difference between people when I look them in the eye. I mean, dead in the eye, in the pupil mainly as well as the rest of the eye. I personally believe that this sort of "reading" is the same thing that spawned the maxim "The eyes are the windows of the soul."
If that's so, then I guess I can see people's souls.
I've seen a different soul (than usual) in two different people's eyes - both times they were possessed.
Oh! I can also tell if they're guarding their thoughts/emotions. You know, wearing a social "mask", to seem presentable and normal and to keep from getting hurt by others' harsh words, etc.

I didn't bother to ask a whole lot about demons in her dreams, as it's apparently not that pleasant of a thing. I remember her telling of being followed and taunted by one woman, "Lucy", whom I had previously thought was just a character I made up when I was young. (apparently it/she got into Fluffy's head.) that only happened a couple times. Once in her dreams, Lucy called out the name "Sul" to a passing spirit, and some time later when I was talking to a possessed man the demon in him recognized the name.
You really don't have to believe me. I'm just saying what happened.
She has mentioned that the [Halie's] demon, "Coroc", is almost always bare-handed.
Again, Zeke has been protecting her since she was young. Only more recently, when she began to share about these experiences, has his visitation become less common. (Then again, she's more fit to take care of herself, mentally speaking.)

Arsanthania. (note, you, though: he hasn't been on even once since he made the profile back in 2011.) If you're a really persistent one, you might try to track him down elsewhere by that name.

The dream-plain? Oh, dear. Well...
I used to think it was all in one's head. My reaction to being convinced otherwise can be read here. But yes and no: I believe that there is the physical world and the spiritual world (both of which can be seen/interacted with through astral projection) but that the dream-plain is.. different.
For example, Fluffly. Every dream she has starts in the same field. She then walks through a door standing in that field, and the dream-sequence begins. Her sister, on the other hand, is in a house with three hallways of doors (her dreams, Fluffy's dreams, and her sister's dreams) and a main anteroom.
[arsanthania] has mentioned traversing the spiritual world in his dreams and even interacting with spirits of sorts, IIRC.
The one bit that really freaked me out -and changed my mind- was when a higher demon mentioned it to me. The demon, who was possessing a friend of mine (who had a few spirits in him), said that "it is where we live," referring to his type - demons.
As a Christian, that makes sense to me, given the post-modern and mostly non-spiritual era we're in. If I was a demon resting in what humans think of as the dream-plain, I'd let them think that. I'd stay out of their way, lest I shake them out of their atheistic stupor.

That last bit is total peculation, and even I have to take what I've written here with a grain of salt.
Actually, I'll have a couple grains with it, I think.

I've been stalking your posts for so long and I usually would just kept lurking but I had a question and I didn't want to offend you if you weren't Christian because on DV that's like throwing a torch into a gasoline pool.

But have you seen anything in particular with Christian's, like with the eye readings? I'll start looking more into peoples eyes, I think I could be good at that.

Originally Posted by Lmrhone

[...]have you seen anything in particular with Christians' [eyes]?

Sadly... not really. Many are just as masked and guarded as any other people.
Still, I must say that the people I have met who truly follow Christ have the most beautiful souls out of any I have ever seen.

So I guess the answer would be a clear yes, but just on rare occasions.

It's funny because the term "fluff" or "fluffy" is used in a lot of places-especially communities that deal with psychic phenomena- to describe something that is actually TOO far into the realm of imagination; something overly exaggerated or unreasonably imaginative. It's just a coincidence I noticed, that Signet is describing something so "out there" compared to everyday experience and the central person's name is "fluffy," which naturally raised some skepticism in me despite the fact that I believe that the phenomena described could very well be possible... I cannot help but consider the possibility that you are cleverly trolling everyone Signet, and named the character in the plot "fluffy" to get a nice little chuckle.

>_<
No, no. I've called her Fluffy since shortly after I met her. (Her hair is, well... fluffy. REALLY fluffy. And she has a fairly fluffy personality most of the time.)

this is all very fascinating