Thread: Secrets of the Dream Plane

1.) Controlling the food supply would help with equal food for people, and wouldn't have some people starving, while can stuff their piggy little faces.
2.) People need to be kept in line, or there would be murder and thef going on all over the place.

Who would keep the government in check? What if the government began to create laws that you, as an individual disagreed with?

I would be the Little Guy making the laws.

That's why we dream.

Because deep down, we all want to be the free and the rulers of our own world.

A single world government is bad because, like stated, nothing would be able to prevent it from overstepping its bounds. What if the government is like North Korea, Sudan, etc.? Essentially, it's the worst case scenario because if you become an enemy of the state for any reason, you are an enemy of the people who control everything.

Its pretty difficult to become enemy of the state...

Very interesting thread.
However, it seems odd to me that you don't mention enlightment anywhere.

My aim on the dreamplane has always been to transcend it (I didn't even know what enlightenment was at the time). So one day in May this year I had a "dreams of clarity" formless experience. And while the dream plane did seem real, after this formless experience, the dreamplane seemed like just a step towards the formless. I would describe it as never been born never dieing kind of thing. Very difficult for me.
Before this, I have encountered and fought some entities and started doing research on things like commonalities in mythology etc. (Jungian kind of stuff), but kinda gave it up because it didn't seem like it would help me transcend it all, instead it would keep me locked inside.
I have changed my opinion now. I feel like, to really deserve enlightenemnt (or whatever you wanna call it), "dream plane living" must be completed.
I fell like this because, I never really gave enough attention to the question, are these entities real or my subconscious. I always found a very mixed answer, and if I added the only logically unbeatable philosophic theory (solipsism) in the mix, then it all just seemed just too high of a mountain for me to climb.
So I guess the definite answer to my question would be a shared dream experience. Although I feel like I was in some people's dreams I was never able to confirm it because they didn't remember their dreams.
Will there be a shared dream school again?

Originally Posted by Chimpertainment

And even more interesting, what is the benefit humans gain from being able to access this dream plane?

We come from the dreamtime and we return there every night and when we die. It is our true home and where we get information from and inspiration. Many many many technological inventions and cultural expressions originated there, if not all.

The one world government is the inevitable outcome for this planet. It is a step towards global consciousness or one mind made of individual minds. A one world government is bad because it is a government. A government with power over the whole earth. But the same problems and power struggles will remain. The one world government will fail when it triggers the global consciousness. The evolution and natural selection of humans is over now. We don't really have threats to our survival anymore, like animals do. Now it is our consciousness that is evolving at an exponential rate. As soon as we become aware of this it will be like wildfire. It is at the horizon. The internet is a material reflection of the truth of the dream realm or shared mind/ telepathy, etc. Along with a growing discontent with global consumerism and humans already enslaved economically, once there is a one world government, we will be invited to join in the Galactic community/government. The one world government will lose all the power it thought it had because it will become obsolete in the face of the galactic community. Yes, the one world government is bad, but a necessary evil that will last momentarily. Right now Palden Dorje is finishing up his mission to purify the karma of the world. We are going through one last karmic cleansing. The future is bright, and in the end only the absolute reality is real, all other relative realities, while seeming real when viewed from a mind that resonates with the same vibrational frequency, is ultimately nothing more than a fantasy. The hierarchy of reality is funny. Nothing is true and everything is possible is a true statement. What Nomad says is true as he sees it until it is transcended. But it is more true than the current consensus reality that the majority of modern humans resonate with. It is Leela, the Universal Drama of the unfolding global karma. This Earthly realm is supported by the dreamtime, the dreamtime is supported by the shining void, the void is supported by nothing. And that is our true identity.

The issue of evolution vs. God creating everything..... just because you cannot understand evolution does not mean that it does not exist. You speak of eyelashes... just because you do not understand how complex and intelligent yet unconscious the life-force in nature is does not mean that an equally naive opinion (God creating everything) is the only other logical alternative. The creative power that creates the universe is born into the universe as you and me and him and her. We are the Gods. Who created God? The void needs no supports or causes, it is the endless void and all the universes and histories and timelines and theories are dreams that evolve consciousness. Truly we are the Gods (DCs) of the one mind (our mind) that is learning lucid dreaming and dream control. Shared dreaming is the next step to this one mind to become lucid of itself. Like many soap bubbles joining then merging into one bubble before it goes pop.

Originally Posted by Dannon Oneironaut

Like many soap bubbles joining then merging into one bubble before it goes pop.

Is the pop part just a part of the metaphor that has no meaning, or is all of this really going to... "pop"?

I think the pop is either death, or us (the air in the bubble) joining the galactic government in a much bigger bubble.

Dannon, well said. While I might disagree on a few minor points which aren't really worth getting into, the general idea you've described is one I very much resonate with.

-K

Originally Posted by mikeac

I think the pop is either death, or us (the air in the bubble) joining the galactic government in a much bigger bubble.

A bubble within a bubble?

Within a bubble within a bubble within a bubble and so on and so forth for eternity, worlds without end. xD

Thanks for all your fascinating responses, everyone. I have a lot to read here to catch up. You are all such interesting intelligent people.

Originally Posted by Dannon Oneironaut

Right now Palden Dorje is finishing up his mission to purify the karma of the world. We are going through one last karmic cleansing. The future is bright, and in the end only the absolute reality is real, all other relative realities, while seeming real when viewed from a mind that resonates with the same vibrational frequency, is ultimately nothing more than a fantasy. The hierarchy of reality is funny. Nothing is true and everything is possible is a true statement. What Nomad says is true as he sees it until it is transcended. But it is more true than the current consensus reality that the majority of modern humans resonate with. It is Leela, the Universal Drama of the unfolding global karma. This Earthly realm is supported by the dreamtime, the dreamtime is supported by the shining void, the void is supported by nothing. And that is our true identity.

I don't know about you guys but i don't think the world's "global karma" is very good at the moment. The rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer. Slavery, poverty, corruption and drugs are rife witin our world. I don't think we are in any state to join "a glatic community"

Originally Posted by AustralianFire

The rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer

That's actually not true. According to the UN, quality of life is improving massively (life expectancy rose from 59 years to 70 years globally over the last 40 years) even in poor countries:
U.N. Human Development Report Finds Significant Quality Of Life Gains Among Many Developing Countries Over Last 40 Years, But Gaps Persist - Kaiser Global Health

Originally Posted by Dogod

That's actually not true. According to the UN, quality of life is improving massively (life expectancy rose from 59 years to 70 years globally over the last 40 years) even in poor countries:
U.N. Human Development Report Finds Significant Quality Of Life Gains Among Many Developing Countries Over Last 40 Years, But Gaps Persist - Kaiser Global Health

still their is massive Gab between the poor and the rich their is over 20%(citation needed) of the world's population live on under 1 us dollar a day. and something like 50%(citation needed) of the world's pop doesnt have acceses to clean drinking water (although those statistics are improving)

The worlds karma definitely isn't getting better. More and more animals are being slaughtered every year, the rain forests are being destroyed. When thinking about karma you need to take into account not only humans, but also the other things inhabiting our planets.

The global karma appears very bad right now, that is part of the cleansing process. Taking out the garbage is messy. Vacuuming under the couch. The thing is though, that people are more aware of the it, the global condition, the humanitarian conditions, the socio-economic-political conditions, etc... This awareness is what is growing, thanks a lot to the internet. The awareness is what is growing, and it is this awareness which will triumph once the critical mass is achieved. The polarity is blatantly obvious and strong. The level of spiritual growth is relevant to the level of suffering in the world. Suffering is the great motivator, which motivates us to become more aware of ourselves and to build a bridge to how we want our world to be and the way it is presently. People are generally so much aware of the folly of organized religion, for one. The age of reason has culminated, and we are moving into the age of awareness.

The soap bubble going pop is part of the metaphor and it HAS meaning. The bubble popping is enlightenment. When the one mind realizes itself. I don't know if the bubble will pop any time soon, but at least the bubbles are merging into one as we speak. That is why we need to unconditionally love ourselves and each other as ourselves from now on. I am you and you are me in different mirrors. Love everyone as yourself. Did Jesus say this? Did the Buddha say this? I think so. This is the eternal dharma, the eternal truth, the eternal teaching for everyone, not just the few seekers out there.

When we consider the other beings besides humans on this planet, yes, we are doing them wrong. This is the culmination of our past wrong ways of being. But we have to realize that it is part of the cycle. Mass extinction is happening right now, and it has happened many times in the past. All life on the planet has been virtually wiped out in the past. This motivates evolution and prepares a fertile ground for growth. It is pruning of the tree of life. Before, the mass extinctions were intiated by natural disasters. Now, we are the natural disaster. Up to now, evolution has been an unconscious force of nature. Now, humans have the awareness to be the frontal lobe of the planet.

After every mass extinction evolution makes a quantum jump. At first, fungi ruled the Earth, as there was no soil. Fungi broke down the rock and minerals into a new substance: soil. But they used up much of the oxygen, which they need to breathe. They died off considerably, and the void was filled with the arrival of plants. Dinosaurs died off and became birds, and mammals appeared around the same time. Mammals helped destroy the dinosaurs. Even then, the karma seemed bad. But look what happened: the evolution to warm blooded beings with more advanced brains. Read This.
What will the new species, or maybe even the new class, be? At the least, maybe we will use more of the brains we already have. Perhaps we need to cultivate the electro-magnetic fields of our hearts to protect us from and take advantage of the coming electo-magnetic solar storm to activate the rest of our brain. I don't know...

Originally Posted by Dannon Oneironaut

This Earthly realm is supported by the dreamtime, the dreamtime is supported by the shining void, the void is supported by nothing. And that is our true identity.

I have come to very similar conclusions as you, but I have one question.
How does everything come out of nothing?
I have experienced the nothing before. I completely forgot who I was or any ideas or concepts that shape our reality. Time did not exist either. I came back slowly first as thoughts (images of my mom and brother) then pulses of awareness of my senses. Then I started to remember who I was... but it was not who I was. It was just a layer of stuff over my true identity. i felt like could have been gone for an infinite amount of time, then I entered into this body full of memories that ended about ten seconds after exhaling the hit of salvia. It restarted after it ended with this gap in the middle of experiencing nothing for infinity. It was like a complete ego death. No identity whatsoever.

Originally Posted by saltyseedog

I have come to very similar conclusions as you, but I have one question.
How does everything come out of nothing?
I have experienced the nothing before. I completely forgot who I was or any ideas or concepts that shape our reality. Time did not exist either. I came back slowly first as thoughts (images of my mom and brother) then pulses of awareness of my senses. Then I started to remember who I was... but it was not who I was. It was just a layer of stuff over my true identity. i felt like could have been gone for an infinite amount of time, then I entered into this body full of memories that ended about ten seconds after exhaling the hit of salvia. It restarted after it ended with this gap in the middle of experiencing nothing for infinity. It was like a complete ego death. No identity whatsoever.

Before I read the word "salvia" I thought... "sounds like salvia." Yes... Nothing is terrifyingly amazing.

About four times, I went into a completely different dimension on salvia. I didn't know where I was, who I was, or what I was. The last time I felt a female presence mocking me... oh, and I got a huge erection out of nowhere. anyway... back to dreams.

Originally Posted by saltyseedog

I have come to very similar conclusions as you, but I have one question.
How does everything come out of nothing?

The Everything is a dream. How does a dream happen? All these different realms, life and death, gods battling, conspiracy theories, science and mysticism, are all false awakenings. Upon ultimate awakening there is nothing, just the ISness that you are, that always was and always will be, because like you said, there is no time. Anyway, this is Nomad's thread and this is a place for us to learn from him.

Originally Posted by Blacklight

Also I don't exactly see one world government as a bad thing.

Think about it this way: If your country is headed toward a shitstorm or you dont like how it views certain things, you can always fly over to another and start life anew. If there's only one government for the entire planet, you dont have that option. Wouldn't you rather have a choice between multiple governments?

To be honest, I did several reality checks simply because of the absurdity of this thread. I'm fairly open-minded and acknowledge the possibility of a few phenomena posted here in in "Beyond Dreaming" but I'd still call myself a bit of a skeptic. I have had experiences that raised a few questions though so I'll be frequenting this section out of curiosity from now on. This notion of shared dreaming is intriguing, to say the least, so I'll have a go at it once I've developed a better understanding of lucid dreaming. The way I see it, this Urth business is unlikely and probably a load of bull. If that's the case then great but if it turns out there's some truth behind it, all the more reason to give shared dreaming a shot.

Still a bit of a skeptic but hey, cant hurt to give shared dreaming a chance right?