Thread: Why it's hard to get to the Moon

Originally Posted by spockman

That is an interesting point, but I think I can get around it.Point a flashlight at the moon. Turn it on. Try and race the light ray to the moon. Use the ray of light as your reference, hopefully you will be matching it's speed and be able to see the end of the ray of light. Also, use the moon as a point of reference to some degree. Use the fact that it is getting larger and larger as you edge up on it as a way to gauge distance from your target. If I had already transformed the world into an anime/video game to make my expectations for the fantastic, this should be doable.

Sure, you could do that... But that would be like wanting a steak for dinner, but going about preparing it by first genetically engineering a cow. The more unnecessary steps you create, the farther you are from your goal. You need to remain fluid in dreams and be able to abandon something that isn't working for you.

Second rule of dream control: The more attention you give something, the more related detail it creates. When you method reaches the point where you need to start adding things for it to succeed, then it's become an unnecessary distraction. The method you're trying to use is an obstacle to attaining your goal.

I can't really give a specific method to get to the moon without giving another unnecessary distraction to hook your attention. But it doesn't have to be a difficult thing to accomplish. Just keep your eye on the prize and ignore anything that isn't helpful to reaching your goals.

Originally Posted by spockman

I will simply change my expectations. Yes, in a vivid real world environment flying to the moon at anything less than a ridiculous speed would take months.

Yes, we're gunna have to go right to LUDICROUS SPEED!

You know, I wonder what would happen if we downed ten cups of coffee then tried spockman's idea?

Nomad do you think because we have read that its hard do you think itl make it harder than if we didnt know? Or even if we didnt know would it still be hard as fuck?

Originally Posted by Ferret

Nomad do you think because we have read that its hard do you think itl make it harder than if we didnt know? Or even if we didnt know would it still be hard as fuck?

I thought I might make it harder by saying that it is, so I didn't tell people for a long time. When it was made a Task of the Year, it seemed my theory was universal. I decided to tell people because I realized I wouldn't make it harder by talking about it.

just fly up there duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Originally Posted by WakingNomad

I thought I might make it harder by saying that it is, so I didn't tell people for a long time. When it was made a Task of the Year, it seemed my theory was universal. I decided to tell people because I realized I wouldn't make it harder by talking about it.

Ahh interesting, I thought something like that would be the case. My plan to get to the moon isnt as high a goal for me now, iv wasted so many lucids trying to get there and im really bad at flying. I need to start practicing teleporting or something.

I attempted this once; I think I only failed because it was near the end of a long dream involving skidoo chases and a confrontation with an old rival. Lucidity prompted me to try and fly up there, it was a beautiful night and just after this Troy guy called me out for shooting his father in the head I told him we were dreaming, looked up at the huuuge moon and took off. I flew really fast at first but then one sliver of doubt crossed my mind and as though gravity increased I was pulled to the ground and woke up.

Besides the fact that my doubt caused me to fail, I think with enough confidence simply flying there should be no problem. When I did it I crouched down and shot upward with a huge burst of will to do so. I'd say all it'd take is concentration and confidence, which is really the basis of all dream control.

I wonder, why people don't try to use a spaceship with super speed and just enjoy the ride? I did that today <.<

Back to sleep.

I was sitting on a really comfy seat, assumed I was going to school on the bus, so just leaned a bit and tried to fall back asleep. That is when I saw a star in the distance, wondered just how dark it was on the street, well that got my attention and I woke up a little more, enough to do a RC and then become lucid.

Tried to jump out of my seat, but was unable to as there was no gravity at all! When I looked out saw we were already outside of earth, and were heading towards the moon now, still far from it but at least out. I started working harder on modifying my body.

At some point, they said we would be entering into super-speed mode so the travel would take less time, then they said to get a firm grip of the seats and try to not faint or die... I got a bit scared by that, but had already finished transforming my body and now there was no problem with going into space anymore, wake up while we were landing on the place.

Here's my opinion. In order to get to the moon, you cannot use any unnecessary energy. This is why wormholes are the best option, as it allows for superluminal travel. If you were to connect two wormhole mouths together light years away from each other, light would travel faster in the wormhole than outside the wormhole. "Wormholes allow superluminal (faster-than-light) travel by ensuring that the speed of light is not exceeded locally at any time."

If you don't get that, let's say this. Imagine a mountain with a tunnel (a wormhole) going through it. One person is traveling at a high speed around the mountain, and another is traveling at a much slower speed through the tunnel. Depending on the circumference (the distance traveling somewhere without a wormhole), and the diameter (the distance traveling through the wormhole to a destination), usually the tunnel person would travel faster. This isn't a perfect analogy, because sometimes it would be faster to travel around the mountain then through it. BUT even if you did travel around the mountain, it would take more gas to travel around the mountain and get there first (aka trying to fly to the moon at top speed and wasting your energy, ending the dream) than to go through the tunnel (traveling through a wormhole shortcut using minimal energy and succeeding).

I don't have a great explanation but this will do.

Originally Posted by mikeac

than to go through the tunnel (traveling through a wormhole shortcut using minimal energy and succeeding).

Did you forget that energy parasites suck your energy in the wormhole?

I just thought of something that might simplify flying to the moon. Use the moon's gravitational pull. If you can get a feel for the gravity of the moon pulling you, that should make it much easier to fly there directly

Originally Posted by The Cusp

I just thought of something that might simplify flying to the moon. Use the moon's gravitational pull. If you can get a feel for the gravity of the moon pulling you, that should make it much easier to fly there directly

Ha ha, yeah, you can imagine the gravity as a hand pulling you really fast towards the moon.

Originally Posted by Snowboy

Did you forget that energy parasites suck your energy in the wormhole?

Yes, but I mean when the wyrms have created a clean ecosystem. Otherwise, both ways are just about the same amount of failure. And also, the moon's gravity the The Cusp mentioned sounds neat.

Originally Posted by mikeac

Yes, but I mean when the wyrms have created a clean ecosystem.

Well, that isn't happening in this lifetime... without interference!!

I want to try the ten cups of coffee then race a beam of light to the moon. That sounds awesome!

i didnt read any thing the last time i sow this threat ,, i just sow the pic .
in a dream i tried to make this hole , i did ,, it was just a black and white and really wiered .
i said to my self ,, this will teleport me to the girls planet .
i jumped in it ( i made it on the ground ) .
and when i arrived i found my self in the middle of the sea . sea around me every where ,, and a big fish was coming to eat me !
i cant remember exactly how i get out of there . but that was interesting .

Originally Posted by Butcher

i didnt read any thing the last time i sow this threat ,, i just sow the pic .
in a dream i tried to make this hole , i did ,, it was just a black and white and really wiered .
i said to my self ,, this will teleport me to the girls planet .
i jumped in it ( i made it on the ground ) .
and when i arrived i found my self in the middle of the sea . sea around me every where ,, and a big fish was coming to eat me !
i cant remember exactly how i get out of there . but that was interesting .

Nice girls, huh?

I've never been "on" the moon in my dreams. For as long as I can remember (back to being 4 or 5... 20 years ago), the moon has been a hostile entity with a face and a malicious personality in my dreams... much like the moon on Zelda: Majora's Mask. It used to come down out of the sky and attack me; (It's size ranging from the size of a large human, to the size of the moon in Majora's Mask.) I'd have repeating nightmares where even though the setting was different, the Moon was always the enemy after me. (The goal was often to not get caught in the moonlight, otherwise it would come after me.) This happened so often growing up that I was afraid of the moon in real life for a long time as a child. In my early teenage years I started really fighting back (we'd have battles of sorts), and I got to the point where to moon doesn't frighten me any longer.

Because I overcame this fear/repeating nightmare, I don't dream of the moon as often as I used to, but when I DO have a dream where the moon is in the sky, it STILL... always... has a face, and I can still feel it's hostility toward me... even if all it does nowadays is stare at me unless I OFFER it a challenge. Simply staring at the moon in my dreams and thinking about battling it causes it to come out of the sky and fight me... though I never lose now, I'm not afraid, and it can't attack me unless I give it permission.

So yeah... I've had weird experiences with the moon... I've never actually been able to "get" there because it's always been something entirely different in my dreams for as long as I can remember.

Anyone else ever experience anything like this with the moon or am I unique? I don't know how it's possible for me to "go" to the moon, as whenever it appears in my dreams, this is the form it always takes.

Cheers.

Originally Posted by Ketsuyume

I've never been "on" the moon in my dreams. For as long as I can remember (back to being 4 or 5... 20 years ago), the moon has been a hostile entity with a face and a malicious personality in my dreams... much like the moon on Zelda: Majora's Mask. It used to come down out of the sky and attack me; (It's size ranging from the size of a large human, to the size of the moon in Majora's Mask.) I'd have repeating nightmares where even though the setting was different, the Moon was always the enemy after me. (The goal was often to not get caught in the moonlight, otherwise it would come after me.) This happened so often growing up that I was afraid of the moon in real life for a long time as a child. In my early teenage years I started really fighting back (we'd have battles of sorts), and I got to the point where to moon doesn't frighten me any longer.

Because I overcame this fear/repeating nightmare, I don't dream of the moon as often as I used to, but when I DO have a dream where the moon is in the sky, it STILL... always... has a face, and I can still feel it's hostility toward me... even if all it does nowadays is stare at me unless I OFFER it a challenge. Simply staring at the moon in my dreams and thinking about battling it causes it to come out of the sky and fight me... though I never lose now, I'm not afraid, and it can't attack me unless I give it permission.

So yeah... I've had weird experiences with the moon... I've never actually been able to "get" there because it's always been something entirely different in my dreams for as long as I can remember.

Anyone else ever experience anything like this with the moon or am I unique? I don't know how it's possible for me to "go" to the moon, as whenever it appears in my dreams, this is the form it always takes.

Cheers.

Wow, that's weird. You should try to get on it then challenge it to a fight to see what happens.

ZERO-GRAVITY FIGHT!!!

Well, naturally I don't think I'm dealing with the *actual* celestial body in my dream... my problem is my brain has been hardwired this way as a child, so whenever I think, "moon" in my dreams, it's very difficult to get beyond this image/idea.

Heh, I've had a few Zero Gravity fights. Nowadays one punch is all it takes to end things... but I haven't fought it in a while cuz I don't see the point anymore. :/

You can learn martial arts and try it out on him. ^.^

Originally Posted by The Cusp

The problem with flying to the moon has to do with perspective ratios. In order to have movement, you have to be moving relative to something else. Once you get far enough away from the earth, you have nothing to gauge your movement against. It's not like there are trees and lamp posts along the side of the road or anything. Without these markers you lose all sense of movement which screws with your flight.

That's what makes flying directly to the moon difficult, and flying at the speed of light impossible.

In my successful flights to the Moon and Mars, I fixed the issue by looking down at Earth and "zooming out" in a Google-Earth-like fashion. Though, the hard part about doing that proved to be slowing down and resuming normal movement and flight; landing was a bitch, let me tell you.

Originally Posted by Ketsuyume

but I haven't fought it in a while cuz I don't see the point anymore. :/

QFT

Originally Posted by juroara

When I created a portal to go to the moon, a small portal flew down from the sky and I entered it. It was only after waking up from the worst nightmare of my life, did I realize that first portal looked just like a CC scout. A white small orb.

But just before I flew into the portal/scout - I saw another portal behind it, much larger, one that actually looked like a wormhole or vortex. I think my dream would have been much nicer had I gone through that one.


When it comes to portals and wormholes, my warning is, do you know what it is you're entering? Do you know about CC scouts? Do you know the telltale signs of what they look like, what they do?

Stick to teleporting, or using other dream techniques to teleport, such as a door

PS. I don't think anyone should take anything in their dreams as the literal objective truth, Nomad. And who ever these gods are that you've met, they first and foremost represent you.

Pretty cool when you were talking about tunnels being alive. Made me think of this


By the way,,,,what is a CC scout???
Sounds intriguing.
Now I'm thinking of the tool/alex grey video,,,,,,if you have never seen it I highly suggest you take a second and watch it.

Hahah, DarkoMarco when I saw that pic you posted, I instantly thought of Tool and then I scrolled down to see the rest of your message and BAM. There was one of their songs.