Thread: Why it's hard to get to the Moon

the first time it was just to go to the moon. All the times afterwards was for solitude.

It's funny that the night after reading this, I dream I am on the moon.

My dad bought a top secret company somehow, and they exposed secrets to the moon. Apparently the moon has an atmosphere, trees, and natural life on it. Who knew? My dad and I took a spaceship and flew to the moon (though it happened quickly, like a five minute trip) and landed on its surface. We needed no helmets, because the moon had Oxygen. After getting out onto the moon, some trees moved ahead. Suddenly a green dinosaur emerged, looking like the Rhino thing on Avatar. It charged toward us so we got in a moon-car and held on. We flew through the sky and drifted back down.

I was never lucid. But technically I flew to the moon.

Originally Posted by Waterknight

the first time it was just to go to the moon. All the times afterwards was for solitude.

That's cool. When we first started building on the Moon, it was just one tower. But, you may have been to another part of the moon.

Originally Posted by Reamous

It's funny that the night after reading this, I dream I am on the moon.

My dad bought a top secret company somehow, and they exposed secrets to the moon. Apparently the moon has an atmosphere, trees, and natural life on it. Who knew? My dad and I took a spaceship and flew to the moon (though it happened quickly, like a five minute trip) and landed on its surface. We needed no helmets, because the moon had Oxygen. After getting out onto the moon, some trees moved ahead. Suddenly a green dinosaur emerged, looking like the Rhino thing on Avatar. It charged toward us so we got in a moon-car and held on. We flew through the sky and drifted back down.

I was never lucid. But technically I flew to the moon.

Wow, that's awesome! You went to the Green Moon which we terraformed, in other words covered with plants, and bursting with life. We have had many dreams of this Green Moon. Amazing!

Well When i have been it wasnt so much as a tower on the moon. It did go up a few stories but the majority of the lab was underground. I havent been in a while I should try to check up on it if I remember in my next lucid. My last lucid dream I had very little control and I wasnt able to fly and didnt even try teleporting.

Originally Posted by Reamous

It's funny that the night after reading this, I dream I am on the moon.

My dad bought a top secret company somehow, and they exposed secrets to the moon. Apparently the moon has an atmosphere, trees, and natural life on it. Who knew? My dad and I took a spaceship and flew to the moon (though it happened quickly, like a five minute trip) and landed on its surface. We needed no helmets, because the moon had Oxygen. After getting out onto the moon, some trees moved ahead. Suddenly a green dinosaur emerged, looking like the Rhino thing on Avatar. It charged toward us so we got in a moon-car and held on. We flew through the sky and drifted back down.

I was never lucid. But technically I flew to the moon.

Originally Posted by Waterknight

Well When i have been it wasnt so much as a tower on the moon. It did go up a few stories but the majority of the lab was underground. I havent been in a while I should try to check up on it if I remember in my next lucid. My last lucid dream I had very little control and I wasnt able to fly and didnt even try teleporting.

Please write the dreams in your DJ.

You're a loony bird.

Originally Posted by Rybread34

You're a loony bird.

Luna is the name of the Moon.

I think he knows that and was making a pun. I had a dream this morning where I didnt go to the moon but I have the vaguest memory of it being moon related. I cant remember the dream at all though because I was woken up to the sound of my sister talking so Ilost the dream as I woke up due to her loud mouth. Though I think the way it was moon related was the moon gives special power to people..... I cant remember it though.

I actually think I managed to fly to the moon on one of my first lucid dream experiences. I had this dream nearly an year ago, yet I still remember a lot of the details. I was in my appartment on the seventh floor and I jumped out of the balcony to fly (it was probably my first or second time flying).

The moon turned out to be huge, and very near me. It was behind the apartment, and it took me maybe 15 seconds to fly there. It was emitting a lot of light and didn't look very realistic, it was like a huge ball with craters and only 2-3 shades of colour.

Since then, I've had two more dreams of flying in space (the second one being today). The first time, I tried to fly to the moon again, but I couldn't reach it - I kept flying and flying towards it but it was too far away.

Today, I tried to fly to Venus (I think I read something about the planet on this forum yesterday). Instead of my usual slow speed flying, I was going towards space at supersonic speed, and it was quite scary. For a second I stopped to look around, and I saw many stars around me. They were all burning red, and I got scared that I will burn to death if I continue flying there, so I flew back down.

I wonder if it's harder to travel to the moon lucid. Maybe something to do with stability.

I was wondering , if anyone reaches the sun, will he burn down his dream body? If the sun destroys the body , will it regen in later dreams? or the person... dies?

Also , are there dream artefacts and stuff in this world?

Its only a matter of time before a mod asks you not to respond to old threads and closes some of them, if it hasn't happened already.

Hot, cold... not a problem in LD, AP and similar. The problem is your mind. Your mind will make everything happen... Or your subconscious mind. Remember, your body is somewhere else. Your spirit or soul is indestructible.

Originally Posted by shadowofwind

Its only a matter of time before a mod asks you not to respond to old threads and closes some of them, if it hasn't happened already.

I wonder - why is that?
Even if the original poster is no longer active - if somebody brings it up - it either gets buried again, when there is nobody else interested - or - it comes back alive - and then - what´s the point of not letting it live on?
Just asking..

Originally Posted by StephL

I wonder - why is that?

1. This way it doesn't look like we keep discovering and debating the same things over and over again, like one of those sci-fi stories where every morning you wake up and its the same day again.
2. Mods need to control stuff, that's a major reason people become mods. (Sorry but its true!)
3. Threads can get very long, requiring people to click on the last page to view the most recent post. Depending on how this is implemented, maybe it could increase the demands on the hosting server.
4. Despite the repetitive nature of our discussions, things do change. The culture here was different three years ago. Some things about that culture were unhealthy in my opinion. Mental and moral hygiene requires self-doubt, but doubt also interferes with intuition and strong expression of psychic power. Also, when doing things like dream sharing, its possible for unhealthily manipulative and controlling dynamics to develop. Maybe sometimes its better to let the past fade.

That's my opinion anyway.

By the way, though this is only somewhat related....The search capability of the site works in only a very haphazard way. Sometimes it will turn up stuff, sometimes it won't, even if you look for keywords that were used in relatively recent posts. This must be a problem with the implementation.

I agree with pretty much everything you've said above shadowofwind, just the fact that there exists a thread dedicated to reasons why it is difficult to get to the moon would, in my opinion, create barriers and doubt within the dreaming and actually contribute in creating difficulty travelling to the moon.

However, past and present experiences have let me seen the subject differently now. For example, when I originally tried to travel to the (Nomad's) moon - I flew up into the sky and was stopped by another earth floating right above this earth.

The second time I tried I wanted to travel to 'a' moon in order to meet my daughter - we both reported going to a moon, but both of our moon descriptions were vastly different - so we came to the conclusion that we were travelling to different places.

Recently I have been reading to my daughter Raven and Nomad's shared dreaming diary and she decided that she wanted to go to the moon. So without any preconceptions of any difficulty involved in getting to the moon (via this thread and others reports) , and keeping in mind that she is an experienced lucid dreamer and does not have any trouble going wherever she wants - she flew up to the (Nomad's) moon and found herself being shot back down to our dream base.

So it seems that there is a real barrier here

Originally Posted by floatinghead

I agree with pretty much everything you've said above shadowofwind, just the fact that there exists a thread dedicated to reasons why it is difficult to get to the moon would, in my opinion, create barriers and doubt within the dreaming and actually contribute in creating difficulty travelling to the moon.

However, past and present experiences have let me seen the subject differently now. For example, when I originally tried to travel to the (Nomad's) moon - I flew up into the sky and was stopped by another earth floating right above this earth.

The second time I tried I wanted to travel to 'a' moon in order to meet my daughter - we both reported going to a moon, but both of our moon descriptions were vastly different - so we came to the conclusion that we were travelling to different places.

Recently I have been reading to my daughter Raven and Nomad's shared dreaming diary and she decided that she wanted to go to the moon. So without any preconceptions of any difficulty involved in getting to the moon (via this thread and others reports) , and keeping in mind that she is an experienced lucid dreamer and does not have any trouble going wherever she wants - she flew up to the (Nomad's) moon and found herself being shot back down to our dream base.

So it seems that there is a real barrier here

I recommend to take picture or short film of some Apollo landing site and you both concentrate on it. Then you go and dream yourself there. Maybe the same surrounding could provoke the same experience.
I was on moon by astral projection once. It wasn't so interesting for me, rocks and dust... nobody there. Stillness.
I looked on moon second time as I flew somewhere very far in our galaxy, other habitable planet(but not inhabitated). Moon was barren again- no sign of Raven or Nomad or Q...
I went once extragalactic... to go as far as possible... with short stop on barren Mars. But that was an astral projection, not LD.

Thanks buddy!

I think you missed my point though

Both me and my daughter were able to go onto A moon, when not focusing on nomad's moon. Where I suspect we were going on these instances is our own personal moons (if you follow the line of thinking that we each have a personal space within us before reaching out into a broader dreaming) The problem only arose when we used NOMAD'S moon as the target. It is his SPECIFIC moon that is difficult to get to! (which would explain why you could not perceive his moon base as you were accessing your own version of the moon - which is the same symbolically and location wise just within a different subset dimension)

Originally Posted by shadowofwind

1. This way it doesn't look like we keep discovering and debating the same things over and over again, like one of those sci-fi stories where every morning you wake up and its the same day again.
2. Mods need to control stuff, that's a major reason people become mods. (Sorry but its true!)
3. Threads can get very long, requiring people to click on the last page to view the most recent post. Depending on how this is implemented, maybe it could increase the demands on the hosting server.
4. Despite the repetitive nature of our discussions, things do change. The culture here was different three years ago. Some things about that culture were unhealthy in my opinion. Mental and moral hygiene requires self-doubt, but doubt also interferes with intuition and strong expression of psychic power. Also, when doing things like dream sharing, its possible for unhealthily manipulative and controlling dynamics to develop. Maybe sometimes its better to let the past fade.

That's my opinion anyway.

By the way, though this is only somewhat related....The search capability of the site works in only a very haphazard way. Sometimes it will turn up stuff, sometimes it won't, even if you look for keywords that were used in relatively recent posts. This must be a problem with the implementation.

Right - thank you!
I thought - concerning point 1 - it would be better to keep the marmot reappearing in the same place - so all is bundled - but - point 4 makes lots of sense in this context to me - I got a bit shocked by some older things..
And - concerning the search function - I am taking part in a darts-forum and they use the very same forum software - but less well implemented than on here.
The optics made me feel at home quite instantly - but their search function sucks noo end as well - and it´s a much younger place..
Somebody said - to make this better, you had to install something additional - not possible on the basis there is.

Oh yeah - there it makes sense to have the marmot reappearing in the same place - like better have one thread where people explain, how great or crap they find a certain type of dart - so somebody looking for the info will not have to read through 20 threads on the same piece of Tungsten..
Doesn´t work of course.. 20 is almost good..
This here is vastly different!

Originally Posted by floatinghead

Thanks buddy!

I think you missed my point though

Both me and my daughter were able to go onto A moon, when not focusing on nomad's moon. Where I suspect we were going on these instances is our own personal moons (if you follow the line of thinking that we each have a personal space within us before reaching out into a broader dreaming) The problem only arose when we used NOMAD'S moon as the target. It is his SPECIFIC moon that is difficult to get to! (which would explain why you could not perceive his moon base as you were accessing your own version of the moon - which is the same symbolically and location wise just within a different subset dimension)

Ok, maybe I missed it. I thought, I should be at least find something unusual on the moon. Nomad and coll. created something on the moon, some thought construction. I should be able to detect it from astral... Nothing. Either I'm noob traveler(and I have that feeling even after nearly 30 years of experience) or their construct is too weak... Or I simply can't detect something like that from astral dimension... I need to try to LD to the moon. Priorities My priority lies elsewhere.
Do you thing they created whole new moon? They should see two moons then (on the orbit of earth).

If you were able to access the real moon, like literally travel while in an OBE state onto the moon I believe that you would perceive the moon pretty much how it really is (with a sprinkle of of your own thought forms as that is something we always carry around with us)

But I believe you went to the astral/dream version of the moon, which I think would be your OWN moon.

Imagine like this: we are all playing this video game, each of us has the same basic structure in our individual video game which would consist of earth, sun, ground, sea, capital cities, moon and stars etc. However, that is pretty much where the similarities end, as this is just the basic package of the game - in each of our games we have customized it so that it is filled with mostly our own stuff, our own (dream) cities, characters and scenarios. You go to your moon (which you haven't done anything to yet) and it is blank - makes sense.

This computer game has the potential to connect to the 'internet' as a massive online muliplayer (shared consciousness) but most of us do not realize this and keep the 'internet' switched off. Only until we understand that we need to go to visit another persons computer game world do we really go anywhere else. (like in the minecraft game) Sometimes it takes a while to form a solid 'connection' with another user, but over time, if persistent, the connection should get stronger.

Next time you project aim to visit Nomad's world, HIS moon, then I think you will see something different!

Floatinghead:

Originally Posted by floatinghead

Both me and my daughter were able to go onto A moon, when not focusing on nomad's moon. Where I suspect we were going on these instances is our own personal moons (if you follow the line of thinking that we each have a personal space within us before reaching out into a broader dreaming) The problem only arose when we used NOMAD'S moon as the target. It is his SPECIFIC moon that is difficult to get to! (which would explain why you could not perceive his moon base as you were accessing your own version of the moon - which is the same symbolically and location wise just within a different subset dimension)

Excellent point... would that WakingNomad were still around to address it (or at least read it; he didn't address much when he was here).

Imagine like this: we are all playing this video game, each of us has the same basic structure in our individual video game which would consist of earth, sun, ground, sea, capital cities, moon and stars etc. However, that is pretty much where the similarities end, as this is just the basic package of the game - in each of our games we have customized it so that it is filled with mostly our own stuff, our own (dream) cities, characters and scenarios. You go to your moon (which you haven't done anything to yet) and it is blank - makes sense.

This computer game has the potential to connect to the 'internet' as a massive online muliplayer (shared consciousness) but most of us do not realize this and keep the 'internet' switched off. Only until we understand that we need to go to visit another persons computer game world do we really go anywhere else. (like in the minecraft game) Sometimes it takes a while to form a solid 'connection' with another user, but over time, if persistent, the connection should get stronger.

More good stuff here, but you may have left out one bit: Not only is only the basic structure shared (and keep in mind that individual perceptions of basic structures -- even something as iconic as the moon -- can vary wildly), but that astral internet you mention lacks an interface.

In other words, yes, our thoughts might all be swimming around in the same aetheric ocean, but they are all doing different strokes. As individuals, we each form our thoughts independently and in a unique fashion, using a "program code" unlike any other, if I might do a little metaphor-mixing. So if someone senses those thoughts, there's an excellent chance that they'll be unable to translate the code of the thought form they perceived. As you note, it would be helpful to share dreams with someone you love, or better yet, someone you love and to whom you are related, as this might dramatically improve the chances of recognition thanks to a greater possibility of similar code.

On top of that, and to continue the metaphor, the astral internet also lacks routers: Okay, I'll concede that we can project our dreams in thought-form packets, but how do those packets find their targets?

Is it that we are projecting our dreams to everyone at once (like a radio broadcast) and only people who care pick up the signal? Maybe. But that would make the astral internet an almost overwhelmingly busy, noisy, place, I think. Just as the earthly internet must have a system to organize, filter, sort, and direct the billions of bits of information that otherwise would be just randomly thrown out there, never to be seen again, I think there must be some sort of router system for a dream-sharing internet. And if there is, how do I get an Astral IP address?

On that note, I think WakingNomad's several threads like this were his attempt to define routers -- that moon of his might have been necessary, because he was seeking to define a thought-form node, or beacon, to which dreamers could navigate in their dream-sharing attempts. So, in light of this thread, Psionlink's concern seems valid, if not right on the mark.

On top of that, and to continue the metaphor, the astral internet also lacks routers: Okay, I'll concede that we can project our dreams in thought-form packets, but how do those packets find their targets?

Is it that we are projecting our dreams to everyone at once (like a radio broadcast) and only people who care pick up the signal? Maybe. But that would make the astral internet an almost overwhelmingly busy, noisy, place, I think. Just as the earthly internet must have a system to organize, filter, sort, and direct the billions of bits of information that otherwise would be just randomly thrown out there, never to be seen again, I think there must be some sort of router system for a dream-sharing internet. And if there is, how do I get an Astral IP address?

On that note, I think WakingNomad's several threads like this were his attempt to define routers -- that moon of his might have been necessary, because he was seeking to define a thought-form node, or beacon, to which dreamers could navigate in their dream-sharing attempts. So, in light of this thread, Psionlink's concern seems valid, if not right on the mark.

Imagine it like a minecraft world with random spawn points , infinite world space and then few mods which allow teleporting and stuff. Now plant this image to that of an infinite space with random spawn points and creation at power of thought. I havn't SD'd consciously but I think this would describe it accuratly?

Originally Posted by Sageous

So if someone senses those thoughts, there's an excellent chance that they'll be unable to translate the code of the thought form they perceived. As you note, it would be helpful to share dreams with someone you love, or better yet, someone you love and to whom you are related, as this might dramatically improve the chances of recognition thanks to a greater possibility of similar code.

Good point! The way we each perceive things are completely different to one another - so viewing the same thing could amount to two very different visual descriptions of the event as often crops up within Nomad's shared dreaming diary in comparison to Raven's. I also agree that there exists something special between Raven and Nomad where by, for the majority of us, we cannot just 'connect' to a random person on the internet without first trying to connect to them in waking reality first: we need to build up somekind of relationship first.

A way around our different program codes/understanding of the visual language which I have been trying out - is to have an agreed place to meet within the dreaming. You see I made the same mistake at first when trying to share a dream and agreed to meet at 'the moon', but discovered after that me and my daughter were just visiting our own moon but not the SAME moon. So to counter this I took a real place in real life and cultivated it within our minds -a special tree which we often go to. To help define this place as the SAME place we were building within our minds we each made sure we are perceiving - emotionally, the tree and space around it in the same way. shortly before our first dream share at this tree we found a young bird who had landed outside of our house, he had been attacked by a cat. Unable to fly he died that evening. The next day we decided to bury it at our 'magic' tree and that following night we both dreamed of meeting at the tree (lucidly) and the bird (being the element which brought us together emotionally) appeared around my daughter and flew around her (which we both remembered and perceived.

So my point is, if you can agree on the ground rules on what the place is you plan to meet, and then plan the next few excursions within the dreaming to make sure you will mutually be perceiving the same thing then you can successfully line up your individual 'program codes' so that they are in sync with one another. It's like turning the dial to find an am radio station - at first the signal may be weak and you only get parts of the radio program, but the more you tune in the better you get at finding that sweet spot!

On top of that, and to continue the metaphor, the astral internet also lacks routers: Okay, I'll concede that we can project our dreams in thought-form packets, but how do those packets find their targets?

I don't think we need a router per se. Creating a portal pretty much does the same thing as a router - but again, a portal only appears that way because of perception - as long as a persons intent is strong enough I believe they will be able to travel to the correct destination.

Is it that we are projecting our dreams to everyone at once (like a radio broadcast) and only people who care pick up the signal? Maybe. But that would make the astral internet an almost overwhelmingly busy, noisy, place, I think. Just as the earthly internet must have a system to organize, filter, sort, and direct the billions of bits of information that otherwise would be just randomly thrown out there, never to be seen again, I think there must be some sort of router system for a dream-sharing internet. And if there is, how do I get an Astral IP address?

I think you are right on the ball here - I think allot of our dreams are a mixture of our own thoughts and other peoples thoughts leaking through - generally speaking though I do think we have somekind of (two way) 'firewall' in place for each of us - which allows us to both be protected from others dreams and also keeps us within our own dream space. For myself, when I first started to explore 'outside' my own dream area I came across quite a few barriers before I was able to move around unhindered. (I would be interested to hear if this is a common thing or not)

On that note, I think WakingNomad's several threads like this were his attempt to define routers -- that moon of his might have been necessary, because he was seeking to define a thought-form node, or beacon, to which dreamers could navigate in their dream-sharing attempts. So, in light of this thread, Psionlink's concern seems valid, if not right on the mark.

I completely agree