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      Quote Originally Posted by saltyseedog View Post
      It doesn't make it more dangerous. They don't like it when you do that. I'm saying that they will be back again to steal your energy. They go to the same people over and over again to steal energy.
      Eating = Death, so you will be attacked by different ones, not the same ones. Doubt anything ever would sacrifice its own kind for fruitless results.
      And, why is dark = bad?

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      Eating does not equal death. I never said dark was bad. You cannot know light without dark.
      Our truest life is when we are in dreams awake

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      Well, you said several times that they put "dark energy" in people, then said how bad it is, so that means dark = bad. And what do you mean it doesn't equal death? Something that size being eaten should mean death.

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      I said they put hateful thoughts in people which creates dark energy. If you eat them in dreams you do absorb their energy but they don't die.
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      I'm thinking your interpretation of death and mine are different, then... ah well whatever.
      Actually, I think the whole concepts of... nearly everything are very different, so it seems like we are talking in a different language each.
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      Quote Originally Posted by saltyseedog View Post
      My spirit guide told me.



      Recently I have dicovered that my dads girlfriend has a flyer that comes in her room every night and steals her energy. It puts hateful thoughts in her mind all day long. It makes her very angry and full of dark energy. Today it stopped putting thoughts in her head, because there is alot of good energy coming up from the earth where we live right now and the energy of the enviorment cannot compete with the energy of the flyer's thoughts. So, these hateful thoughts disappeared, and her mind got quite and all of a sudden she became aware how how she was feeling. There was so much pain. When I came home from school she was crying, she hurt so much on the inside and felt guilty for being grumpy towards everyone.
      I put some loving energy from my heart chakra into hers as much as I could, and then she went to the gym and got somemore loving energy probably from guys who were attracted to her. when she came home I used intent to break her connection to this flyer. The flyer has other flyer friends who probably would have came in my room tonight and stole my energy, and put bad thoughts in my head during the day time, but i used my intent to make sure they wouldn't get near me. The flyer probably will not mess with her again because it assumes that I will make it go away again with my intent. This flyer only took her energy. My dad also had a flyer except that one took energy from more than one person and only visited him occasionally. I used intent to make this one go away to. They are not that strong and like Dannon said they do not like light energy.
      I you fight them on the astral plane while they are in your room they may leave you alone... or they might come back. if you eat them they will definatley come back. Intent is the best way to keep them away and its not that hard.
      Nomad I will use intent tomorrow to keep them away from you. You have more than one.
      Many people on dv actually have flyers that steal their energy.
      I don't even think that them putting thoughts in your head has anything to do with stealing your energy. I think its just because they are evil assholes that want to bring everyone down to their level.
      I facepalmed so hard reading this I think I broke my nose

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      Quote Originally Posted by Hukif View Post
      Well, you said several times that they put "dark energy" in people, then said how bad it is, so that means dark = bad. And what do you mean it doesn't equal death? Something that size being eaten should mean death.
      I'm sorry, but what? Really? People get killed in various ways all the time in dreams, and they're still alive the next morning, are they not? Why would "eating" one of these... things... kill it?

      I dunno why I'm picking on you in particular, to be honest. This entire thread is... just too far gone. I'm willing to listen to a lot of stuff, but really...

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      My spirit guide led me to this, thought it kind of related to the last two posts.

      Everything that I've done with you was done to accomplish one single task, the task of cleaning and reordering your island of the tonal . I've told you countless times that a most drastic change is needed if you want to succeed in the path of knowledge. That change is not a change of mood, or attitude, or outlook; that change entails the transformation of the island of the tonal .
      Once that transformation has been accomplished a teacher would usually say to his disciple that he has arrived at a final crossroad. To say such a thing is misleading, though. In my opinion there is no final crossroad, no final step to anything. And since there is no final step to anything, there shouldn't be any secrecy about any part of our lot as luminous beings. Personal power decides who can or who cannot profit by a revelation; my experiences with my fellow men have proven to me that very, very few of them would be willing to listen; and of those few who listen even fewer would be willing to act on what they have listened to; and of those who are willing to act even fewer have enough personal power to profit by their acts. So, the matter of secrecy about the sorcerers' explanation boils down to a routine, perhaps a routine as empty as any other routine.
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      how can you recreate that stuff your spirit guide told you? did you take notes while he told you or is your memory working that good? it sounds like a quotation so im just asking out of curiosity.

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      I recently debated with someone that loves to dream with Inorganic Beings on a carlos castaneda forum.

      m wrote:its sad that some people who can't dream with inorganic beings use the "higher road" argument to make themselves feel better about their perceived failures.
      its even more sad that some sorcerers who claim they don't dream with inorganic beings use the "higher road" argument to justify their own delusions.
      M, please read through what I said and quote me exactly where I said that I was taking a "Higher road". Do not put words in my mouth please. I simply choose not to dream with Inorganic beings of Castaneda's type. It is a choice that I have made, it has nothing to do with whether I can or Can't. I could if I wanted to, but I choose not to. There's a difference.

      The Difference is a big one for me: I don't need their help To Astral Project, or Project my dream body onto a dreaming location. From what I've read of people who dream with these beings, is that the IOBs are always around, and taking them places often without the dreamer's permission. My dreams have indicated that I can travel just fine without their help... only doing so without their help is more laborious than letting them help me. After all, consciously controlling and Astral and Dream body is like a muscle you learn to flex over time. Babies must learn to crawl before they can walk. As it is with consciously projecting into other world. Our double does this naturally. Ask your double.

      As for my dreams and the conclusions I draw from them being delusions... I can assure you my dream aren't delusions. I'll quote you a post from another dream forum I frequent that I have posted.

      I once dreamed of a Vampire Family with black markings on their faces, seated at a dinner table and eating. Nomad wrote me and said he use to dream about that exact same vampire family as a Child.

      I once had a dream about one girl from MM, Where a snake flew out of my mouth, turned into a giant flying snake and took off into the sky with her. She wrote me back and said that when she was a child: She use to dream about a winged snake that would come into her dreams. She said she had forgotten these dreams for decades until she read my dream.

      I recently Dreamed of twoshadows, In my dream she turned into a giant spider and began eating flies while humming "zippidy do da" to herself. She replied to my thread saying that a few days before she was at a theme park where she heard that song, and that during the day after I had my dream she had a bizarre spider incident.

      The other night I dreamed about a DV member giving me a package of skittles. She wrote back and said that the day I had the dream, she had a sudden strong craving for skittles.

      Last night I dreamed my friend in Red deer was sitting on a car and talking to his friend about his band. Later on they plated a video game with lazer guns and may have been killing Zombies. I just talked to him and he said he did exactly that the other day.
      Since then, I've had many more examples.

      I dreamed that my cousin's deceased father came to me in a dream when she was looking for him. He told me to give her a message that he was still around, and that she should not worry about him really being dead. I told her and she was shocked at what I said because she had always wondered.

      A friend of mine in Calgary, His mother died years ago, and Recently I dreamed he was in a messy room that was his. But his mother also lived there, but I could not see her. I told him this dream and he also confirmed he had many dreams like this around her death.

      I once dreamed that I was carrying my friend Nomad's ashes in the future up a hill in Hawaii. I threw his ashes over a cliff and into a wind that carried his ashes out to sea. I told him this dream, and he said that he planned to do this exactly with the remains of his recently deceased cousin.

      I dreamed an old female friend form BC had died. The explanation in the dream was that she had MS twice, and cancer and didn't seek help for these things until it was too late. A month later She came for a visit. During the night the subject of MS came up twice Randomly in conversation. And the second time was in a conversation between her and a friend about a medication they had recently stopped taking, and they had stopped taking it because it causes MS. I immediately told her the dream. She was shocked and I also learned that a month before her mother had died of cancer.

      I can go on and on. I can put you in touch with these people to verify what I have said. So how is it that I have so many dreams that are so verifiable and tangible in my waking reality later on. Is that a delusion? Just because I did all this stuff without the help of IOBs of castaneda's type, does it suddenly make all these real and verifiable experiences between dream and reality a delusion?


      Don juan often encourages people to follow a path with heart.



      Anything is one of a million paths. Therefore, a warrior must always keep in mind that a path is
      only a path; if he feels that he should not follow it, he must not stay with it under any conditions.
      His decision to keep on that path or to leave it must be free of fear or ambition. He must look at
      every path closely and deliberately. There is a question that a warrior has to ask, mandatory: Does
      this path have a heart?
      All paths are the same: they lead nowhere. However, a path without a heart is never enjoyable. On
      the other hand, a path with heart is easy - it does not make a warrior work at liking it; it makes for a
      joyful journey; as long as a man follows it, he is one with it.
      There is a world of happiness where there is no difference between things because there is no one
      there to ask about the difference. But that is not the world of men. Some men have the vanity to
      believe that they live in two worlds, but that is only their vanity. There is but one single world for
      us. We are men, and must follow the world of men contentedly.
      all my experience with dreaming and the conclusions I have drawn were all based on this quote and path with heart. And I continue it.

      As for don juan making things up..

      Quote from the wheel of time. commentary on the teachings...


      The essence of whatever don Juan said at the beginning of my apprenticeship is encapsulated in the
      abstract nature of the quotations selected from the first book, The Teachings of Don Juan. At the
      time of the events described in that book, don Juan spoke a great deal about allies, power plants,
      Mescalito, the little smoke, the wind, the spirits of rivers and mountains, the spirit of the chaparral,
      etc., etc. Later on when I questioned him about his emphasis on those elements, and why he wasn't
      using them anymore, he admitted unabashedly that at the beginning of my apprenticeship, he had
      gone into all that pseudo-Indian shaman rigmarole for my benefit.
      I was flabbergasted. I wondered how he could make such a statement, which was obviously not
      true. He had really meant what he said about those elements of his world, and I was certainly the
      man who could attest to the veracity of his words and moods.
      "Don't take it so seriously," he said, laughing. "It was very enjoyable for me to get into all that crap,
      and it was even more enjoyable because I knew that I was doing it for your benefit."
      The Wheel of Time
      "For my benefit, don Juan? What kind of aberration is this?"
      "Yes, for your benefit. I tricked you by holding your attention on items of your world which held a
      profound fascination for you, and you swallowed it hook, line and sinker.
      "All I needed was to get your undivided attention. But how could I have done that when you had
      such an undisciplined spirit? You yourself told me time and time again that you stayed with me
      because you found what I said about the world fascinating. What you didn't know how to express
      was that the fascination that you felt was based on the fact that you vaguely recognized every
      element I was talking about. You thought that the vagueness was, of course, shamanism, and you
      went for it, meaning you
      stayed."
      "Do you do this to everybody, don Juan?" "Not to everybody, because not everybody comes to me,
      and above all, I'm not interested in everybody. I was and I am interested in you, you alone
      Oh what's this? Don juan admits to "making things up," for castaneda in order to lead him to knowledge. Well my my, doesn't this throw other specifics about what Don juan taught to carlos into question?

      And how is it that my friend Nomad, has a dream of Don juan, Who has never read the wheel of time BTW, who in effect tells Nomad that with dreaming he was doing exactly the same thing.

      I am tired of your shit, shaman! All your puzzles and riddles and crazy games, all your bullshit. I am all done with you! Fed up! Stop trying to make me doubt my actions. I don't care if I am not aware of the physical state, or if you are some type of dream guide or some awesome dead guy blah blah blah.... I only had those stupid IB dreams when guess what? I had them when I was reading your book.

      You think you know everything about dreaming.



      That would be Carlos that thinks he knows everything about dreaming. You see he took what I said, and expounded upon it, and perceived me in his own way. What he did not realize was that I was referencing a very specific world that is not universal to all dreaming, but it is a path that he had chosen for himself. Just as hallucinogens were necessary for one such as him to be inducted into the wayless path, his perception of the dream plane, a very abstract one was necessary for him to understand dreaming. But, what he did not understand was I was teaching him a perception that was to be for him alone. Other may perceive it similarly, but not so universally as he so egotistically thought. Carlos was always fascinated by a new experience, even if it was an old experience forgotten, but never understood the true purpose which is to perceive energy not as its truest form, but it's purest form, which is this:

      Everything changes into colored energy.

      Now you see me for what I am, a dream character of Carlos Castaneda. It is true that I am real. It is also true he met me in waking life. But, I have no physical form. He was awake when we met because of the hallucinogens he took. He had many dreams and many drug trips that were so real, they were memories to him, which of course, they are. He had dreams taking drugs, and when he was on a drug, he would take another drug in his head, in the drug trip. I am at once a sentient entity, a collection of thoughts and projections based on plant experiences and the energy of a multitude of dreamers. But, at my core I am a creation of Carlos Castaneda, yet I am real.

      There right there!
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      um so about inorganic beings feeding off our energy.. since there are infinite amounts of energy available to me and everyone else. if these things do "feed" from my energy. i've decided its ok because.. there is plenty more where that came from. as long as you are projecting a loving energy from your heart.. i would say that everything should be ok.
      and about the whole carlos castaneda references.. i thought this thread sounded like ya'll were reading those books as well. i'm currently reading "the fire from within" and i'm really liking it. its weird how some of the things in that book have happened to me. and that they correlate directly into other readings and experiences i've head. especially with zen meditation and buddhism.

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      cool posts Mosh, thanks for your input on the subject.
      That dream that Nomad had was definatley one of the most important dreams of his life.
      When I focus on Don Juan's energy and I focus on Carlos they feel the same. He is a dream character of Carlos. He is a part of him. He is like a dream guide dream character.

      Quote Originally Posted by pandanese View Post
      how can you recreate that stuff your spirit guide told you? did you take notes while he told you or is your memory working that good? it sounds like a quotation so im just asking out of curiosity.
      My spirit guide didn't tell me that, it is from a a Carlos Casteneda book called Tales of Power. He told me last night to go 3/4 in to the forth book and then he told which paragraph. there is a website with all the books (I think) here if you want to read them. I recommend starting with the first two.

      Quote Originally Posted by opalwolf View Post
      um so about inorganic beings feeding off our energy.. since there are infinite amounts of energy available to me and everyone else. if these things do "feed" from my energy. i've decided its ok because.. there is plenty more where that came from. as long as you are projecting a loving energy from your heart.. i would say that everything should be ok.
      and about the whole carlos castaneda references.. i thought this thread sounded like ya'll were reading those books as well. i'm currently reading "the fire from within" and i'm really liking it. its weird how some of the things in that book have happened to me. and that they correlate directly into other readings and experiences i've head. especially with zen meditation and buddhism.
      There is not an infinite amount of energy availble to everyone all the time. If that was so then everyone would be in an intense state of infinite happiness all the time.
      Your happiness and unhappiness is determined by how much love energy you have. When people love each other they give each love energy from each others heart chakras. when two people love each other they create more love energy. Sometimes people give other people love energy and get none back. It makes them feel low or drained. People love each other on different levels like there is the love of friends and family, and then there is the love of a lover which is way stronger whether they are holding hands, cuddling, kissing, or having sex, they are giving each other large amounts of love energy and creating more. Then there is also something that can happen when your heart chakras become one. This only can happen with your soul mate. Not everyone has a soul mate. This happened to me once and I realized that that it has been responsible for all my feelings since then.
      If you ever feel unpeaceful focus on your heart chakra (the feeling in the center of your chest). If you feel sadness in your heart because you have no love, focus on your third eye (the feeling in the center of your head). This will keep your suffering at a minimum.
      When encountering people in life focus on giving them energy from your heart chakra, this will make them feel comfortable around you without you even having to say anything. They normally will start giving love energy back unconciously, then it will create more love and you feel happier than you did before.

      Quote Originally Posted by Snowboy View Post
      Go ahead and try. I'm sure lots of people would enjoy to hear your explanation of it and how to do it.
      An example of intention is this thread. Yesterday I was tired as fuck. When you are tired your intention go awry, you will focus on things you don't want. I was reading my posts feeling doubtful thinking people would not believe. Then within the next four hours I got two posts from people shooting me down.
      This is because when you are reading peoples posts on here you can feel the energy behind them. Most people feel it unconciously and react to it dependending on what they feel. When I orignally posted those two big posts on the last page I felt confident that it was truth and with the intention that it would help people, but then I was focusing on them with doubt in my own words and changed the energy behind it. Another example is the post Mosh just posted, he feels very confident that he says is true with the intention of proving someone wrong about who he is and how things are. People will feel his confidence that it is true no matter what he says, because of the energy behind it.
      Another example is you look at yourself in the mirror. You see pimples on your face. You think fuck I'm ugly. You are intending negative energy into your face and in turn will make your pimples more irritated and get worse.
      On the other hand, you look at yourself in the mirror and you think damn I'm beautiful. You are intenting good energy into yourself.
      Same thing with food. I be about to eat something and I'll ask one of the little kids at my house if they want some and they'll say I don't like that, I don't like that I don't like that over and over. And the energy in the food turns negative. This in turn will fuck up the chemical structure of the food and make it not as good for you.
      On the other hand if you say you like this food or you are thinking about how good it is. It will make the energy of the food better.
      Or you can bless the food. What I do before I eat food or drink water is I'll focus on raising the vibrations in the food. I'll say bless this water with healing loving energy, make it bring balance to my chakras, protect me from negative energies, and clean the negative energies out of my body. the food will actually taste better when you do this.
      You are always intending things, its just a matter of if you are concious of what you are intending.
      And also to focus intent on a paticular thing is powerful.
      I'd say more but I don't want to be misleading.
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      Quote Originally Posted by saltyseedog View Post
      I you fight them on the astral plane while they are in your room they may leave you alone... or they might come back. if you eat them they will definatley come back. Intent is the best way to keep them away and its not that hard.
      Nomad I will use intent tomorrow to keep them away from you. You have more than one.
      Many people on dv actually have flyers that steal their energy.
      In my experience, the Castaneda IB's don't come back. I only had dreams of those things when I was reading Casteneda's book.

      I really don't know what you mean by flyers.

      Anyway, I am much more concerned about people in waking life stealing my energy. I am acutely aware of astral and dream creatures that try to steal my energy. It's obvious. Humans are much more subtle.


      [QUOTE=opalwolf;1604467]um so about inorganic beings feeding off our energy.. since there are infinite amounts of energy available .[QUOTE]

      If this were true, we'd all have unlimited everything. It doesn't make sens.

      Quote Originally Posted by saltyseedog View Post
      cool posts Mosh, thanks for your input on the subject.
      That dream that Nomad had was definatley one of the most important dreams of his life.
      Not really.

      Most important dreams of my life:

      - When I first gained dream control after years of lucidity with none, in which I killed hundreds of attackers.

      - My first shared dream with JeanRae.

      - My first shared dream with Raven.

      - My first shared dream with MoSh.

      - The epic dreams Raven and I had of Tooth.

      - Meeting my Dream Guide.

      - Creating the Tower and the Biodome.

      - Meeting my spirit guides, Koomo, and Michael.

      - Realizing Selene is real.

      - The journey to the Dream Warrior Planet to battle the Dream Warrior Master.

      - Meeting Morpheus, the god of Dreams.

      - The journey to Hollow Earth.

      - The Journey to meet the King of the Undersea People.

      - Becoming my Beast Self.

      - Meeting my Higher Self, and receiving the Budgie Sword.

      - The Journey to the Temple of the Angels.

      - Remembering marrying Selene.

      - Slaying the Vampire King, in which I was given the Moonblade, a shared dream Raven and I had a year apart.

      -Creating the Temple of Nothing, and becoming Juargawn, god of Nothing.
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      Quote Originally Posted by saltyseedog View Post
      I was reading my posts feeling doubtful thinking people would not believe. Then within the next four hours I got two posts from people shooting me down.
      Got it. I suspected it was such. Cool post, though.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Singularity125 View Post
      I'm sorry, but what? Really? People get killed in various ways all the time in dreams, and they're still alive the next morning, are they not? Why would "eating" one of these... things... kill it?

      I dunno why I'm picking on you in particular, to be honest. This entire thread is... just too far gone. I'm willing to listen to a lot of stuff, but really...
      Yes, really. As far as I'm concerned, inorganic stuff or whatever is a "dream-entity" that can "manifest" on waking life, so their "real" self in that logic, exists in dreams, meaning that killing them in dreams, is the same for us to be killed in waking.

      Not that I call them anything more than "Shadow DCs" though, I always eat them, and then they don't come back.
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      you misinterpreted what i meant. not anyone can access an infinite amount of energy. it depends on your whole life and every choice you make. not just anyone can access it like flipping a switch. it takes a true adept person. as for love energy. what you say is true about relationships between people but that is not what i was talking about. sorry to be confusing.

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      Quote Originally Posted by saltyseedog View Post
      An example of intention is this thread. Yesterday I was tired as fuck. When you are tired your intention go awry, you will focus on things you don't want. I was reading my posts feeling doubtful thinking people would not believe. Then within the next four hours I got two posts from people shooting me down.
      Heh, I hope you don't see me as shooting this down. I ended up re-reading the thread after that post I made and realized I was a fair bit less hostile to it back on page 1. I dunno why I was feeling hostile yesterday to be honest... I like what you say about intentions though, that makes sense to me. I just don't know what to believe about IB's, and until I have some personal experience on the matter, I will remain skeptical. As I'm sure most people would. Try not to take it personally.

      Quote Originally Posted by Hukif View Post
      Yes, really. As far as I'm concerned, inorganic stuff or whatever is a "dream-entity" that can "manifest" on waking life, so their "real" self in that logic, exists in dreams, meaning that killing them in dreams, is the same for us to be killed in waking.

      Not that I call them anything more than "Shadow DCs" though, I always eat them, and then they don't come back.
      Eh, I guess if that works for you? *shrug* Like I said above, I have no personal experience, and what you say works for you doesn't make a ton of sense to me. Perhaps because I believe in an immortal sort of soul that all beings have. I figure that any such entities, not having physical bodies, are basically in their soul form. And I don't believe you can permanently kill a soul. Anyways, if I ever had this stuff happen to me, I certainly wouldn't eat them. That's just not the sort of thing I'd do. I mean, yuck! That's not appetizing at all.
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      Quote Originally Posted by WakingNomad View Post
      In my experience, the Castaneda IB's don't come back. I only had dreams of those things when I was reading Casteneda's book.

      I really don't know what you mean by flyers.

      Anyway, I am much more concerned about people in waking life stealing my energy. I am acutely aware of astral and dream creatures that try to steal my energy. It's obvious. Humans are much more subtle.
      Flyers are dark creepy inorganic being that steal our energy. They are those dark shadow figures that people see standing over their beds in sleep paralysis.

      Not really.

      Most important dreams of my life:
      lol

      Quote Originally Posted by opalwolf View Post
      you misinterpreted what i meant. not anyone can access an infinite amount of energy. it depends on your whole life and every choice you make. not just anyone can access it like flipping a switch. it takes a true adept person. as for love energy. what you say is true about relationships between people but that is not what i was talking about. sorry to be confusing.
      choose love!!!
      Our truest life is when we are in dreams awake

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      As far as the CC paradigm goes, it would be deleterious to oneself to "eat" an IB: that IB won't "die"-it will live on inside you.

      Someone else wrote about IBs of the "Castaneda type". This confuses me somewhat, because there are many different "types" contained in CC writing: the "fiery" and the "watery" encompass a whole plethora of different "tribes". However, if the poster was only referring to those IBs that live in the tunnels of the "IB world", then my confusion disappears. It's not very clear, though.

      A question for the CCers:

      What's the difference between "The voice of Seeing" and "The voice of the Dreaming Emissary"?

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      Quote Originally Posted by saltyseedog View Post
      My spirit guide didn't tell me that, it is from a a Carlos Casteneda book called Tales of Power. He told me last night to go 3/4 in to the forth book and then he told which paragraph. there is a website with all the books (I think) here if you want to read them. I recommend starting with the first two.
      :-o im just reading that book atm, german translation though. thx for clearing that up

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      Quote Originally Posted by saltyseedog View Post
      Flyers are dark creepy inorganic being that steal our energy. They are those dark shadow figures that people see standing over their beds in sleep paralysis.

      lol

      choose love!!!
      Oh, okay. I don't really call those Inorganic Beings. I call them demons. Yeah, there have been a lot of astral demons around me recently, ready to ambush me as soon as I enter the astral plane. To me, an Inorganic Being is like an orb of pure energy.

      Quote Originally Posted by Oneiro View Post
      As far as the CC paradigm goes, it would be deleterious to oneself to "eat" an IB: that IB won't "die"-it will live on inside you.

      Someone else wrote about IBs of the "Castaneda type". This confuses me somewhat, because there are many different "types" contained in CC writing: the "fiery" and the "watery" encompass a whole plethora of different "tribes". However, if the poster was only referring to those IBs that live in the tunnels of the "IB world", then my confusion disappears. It's not very clear, though.

      A question for the CCers:

      What's the difference between "The voice of Seeing" and "The voice of the Dreaming Emissary"?
      Interesting.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Oneiro View Post
      As far as the CC paradigm goes, it would be deleterious to oneself to "eat" an IB: that IB won't "die"-it will live on inside you.
      some years ago i read a book about don agustin, an ayahuasquero from peru. its about his life and his path to becoming an ayahuasquero and in one scene he described how a young man comes to him with an illness he described (i cant remember his exact description, but i think it was epilepsy). during that ceremony he had with that guy he recognized a blinking splinter in the head of that young man, sucked it out and then it was described like: "it was a thing of might. ill swallow it and if it adds to my personal force, it will keep inside, otherwise ill spit it out." he spit it out and could see the blinking thing in his vomit.

      see the relation?
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      "Splitter" = "splinter"?

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      yep its splinter. thought that word exists also / has the same meaning in english

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      Quote Originally Posted by WakingNomad View Post
      Oh, okay. I don't really call those Inorganic Beings. I call them demons. Yeah, there have been a lot of astral demons around me recently, ready to ambush me as soon as I enter the astral plane. To me, an Inorganic Being is like an orb of pure energy.
      They steal your energy while your laying in bed in unconscious sleep.

      Just to be a butthole I'm going to reorder your dreams by importance:
      1. The dream where don juan tells you that the most important thing is to see all things as there pure energetic form
      2. The dream where you marry selene
      3. The journey to the Dream Warrior Planet to battle the Dream Warrior Master.
      4. Meeting your dream guide
      5. When you first gained dream control after years of lucidity with none, in which you killed hundreds of attackers.
      6. The Journey to the Temple of the Angels.
      7. The Journey to meet the King of the Undersea People.
      8. The journey to Hollow Earth

      Spirit guide dreams may seem important but you have known our spirit guides for a long time.
      Sharing dreams with Raven and Mosh may seem important but you have known them for many lifetimes and have done this before.
      Becoming your beast self/spirit animal in a dream may also seem important, but this is nothing new to you you have had a Jaguar as a spirit animal for 11 life times. I have had a rabbit as a spirit animal for 11 lifetimes.
      Your higher self is a manifestation of your subconcious, which may be used to explore your subconcious
      Our truest life is when we are in dreams awake

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