Thread: Spiritual entities on the dream plane

Originally Posted by KristaNicole07

This is beautiful. Where is it from? Did this come from one of your dreams?

I would like to know as well. I just need a lucid dream I can stay in for more than 2 seconds and can think even the slightest bit to investigate.

Going off topic a bit. How do u "fight" in a dream or on another scape?

Originally Posted by Suicideking

Going off topic a bit. How do u "fight" in a dream or on another scape?

What do you mean?

Originally Posted by Suicideking

Going off topic a bit. How do u "fight" in a dream or on another scape?

Shared Dreaming FAQ's

Oh yeah, that was something I wanted to try at some point. The shared dreaming. I've read over your FAQ and intend to try it when I am proficient at LDing.

Anyways, to fight, you pick up a weapon, and start hacking away! Just like you would irl!

Also, I wanted to elaborate on my hypothesis of why the "meaning of life" must include "to continue." If life wasn't focused on continuing, it wouldn't be here.

Before one decides what the meaning of life is, what constitutes life? I have defined it as such: "Life is a series of self-perpetuating processes." Why is this life? All known life forms that are accepted as "living" strive to spread and continue indefinitely. Now, obviously this does not mean humans need to live forever, but individuals in a species are a part of a greater organism, humankind as a whole. Humankind contains many processes: culture, religion, trading, sex, etc. Most of these are designed to continue the species as a whole. It is kind of like we are made of cells that try to perpetuate us as human individuals.

If you've read some Asimov, this is the "zeroth law" of robotics.

Anyways, besides the obvious organismic life, such as plants, animals, bacteria, etc., there are more complex life forms out there. I think societies, corporations, and religious ideals constitute "life" as I've defined it. Societies don't want to die. They look out for number 1: themselves. Thus patriotism. Corporations are made of employees, managers, people in charge. But corporations can last longer than any of the individuals that compose them. If we take Christianity as an example, the Church has historically been an authority over Christians from one degree to another over the centuries. Christianity as a whole, a form of life even, is always happy to bolster itself with new individuals to continue in the minds of families across the globe. I pick on Christianity because I was born into a Christianish family, and I know it better than other religions. -_-

Even Earth, as a whole. The planet provides warmth, air, water, and nutrients. Entire species and the planet itself make up a sort of macro-organism. Plants provide food for animals and other life forms. In fact, Earth as a life-form has produced a species which is capable of leaving its surface. Humanity is part of this macro-organism, and we will spread terran species to other planets, eventually. Thus spreading this macro-organism. We will probably take materials from space and bring it back to planet Earth to feed this macro-organism.

EDIT: Wow, I made a wall of text!

Originally Posted by Rawracookie

Oh yeah, that was something I wanted to try at some point. The shared dreaming. I've read over your FAQ and intend to try it when I am proficient at LDing.

Anyways, to fight, you pick up a weapon, and start hacking away! Just like you would irl!

Also, I wanted to elaborate on my hypothesis of why the "meaning of life" must include "to continue." If life wasn't focused on continuing, it wouldn't be here.

Before one decides what the meaning of life is, what constitutes life? I have defined it as such: "Life is a series of self-perpetuating processes." Why is this life? All known life forms that are accepted as "living" strive to spread and continue indefinitely. Now, obviously this does not mean humans need to live forever, but individuals in a species are a part of a greater organism, humankind as a whole. Humankind contains many processes: culture, religion, trading, sex, etc. Most of these are designed to continue the species as a whole. It is kind of like we are made of cells that try to perpetuate us as human individuals.

If you've read some Asimov, this is the "zeroth law" of robotics.

Anyways, besides the obvious organismic life, such as plants, animals, bacteria, etc., there are more complex life forms out there. I think societies, corporations, and religious ideals constitute "life" as I've defined it. Societies don't want to die. They look out for number 1: themselves. Thus patriotism. Corporations are made of employees, managers, people in charge. But corporations can last longer than any of the individuals that compose them. If we take Christianity as an example, the Church has historically been an authority over Christians from one degree to another over the centuries. Christianity as a whole, a form of life even, is always happy to bolster itself with new individuals to continue in the minds of families across the globe. I pick on Christianity because I was born into a Christianish family, and I know it better than other religions. -_-

Even Earth, as a whole. The planet provides warmth, air, water, and nutrients. Entire species and the planet itself make up a sort of macro-organism. Plants provide food for animals and other life forms. In fact, Earth as a life-form has produced a species which is capable of leaving its surface. Humanity is part of this macro-organism, and we will spread terran species to other planets, eventually. Thus spreading this macro-organism. We will probably take materials from space and bring it back to planet Earth to feed this macro-organism.

It would appear we have very similar views.

but individuals in a species are a part of a greater organism, humankind as a whole.

Humankind is a part of a greater organism called the Earth

Originally Posted by WakingNomad

Shared Dreaming FAQ's

Thx for the FAQ. How have you acquired all of that knowledge?

Originally Posted by saltyseedog

Humankind is a part of a greater organism called the Earth

the earth is a giant rock. it is made of stone and metal and water. it can't move, breath, eat, or reproduce. clearly non-biological. how is it an organism?

We aren't one within the Earth. We are one within the nature and, therefore, the universe and the existence themselves.

Originally Posted by MIIISTERNEUGIT

This place, this place you have been from before you lived, it is your home.
Even more than you know, it is where you belong.

But I haven't really been here, it is just a dream.

Just a dream? But you don't even know what a dream is, truly what a dream is.
When you are woken, you could never visit this place, it just isn't possible.
This place exists in your dreams, nothing more, nothing less.

This place is just a creation of my mind?

No. This place, your mind, everyone else's minds, are all of the same place, they are both beyond the physical possibilities of nature.
You do not understand this, nor do you understand the true meaning of life.
To discover what this means, you must think beyond physical, beyond what you will ever know.

My home, it is only spiritual?

Our home, yes. But to understand, you must understand what "Our" truly means.

Everyone?

She grinned, that beautiful grin no one could ever be disappointed at, that steals but everyone's attention.

This place is our Haven.

where did this dialogue come from? was this a talk with ur dream guide or what? im confused.

Originally Posted by Wristblade56

the earth is a giant rock. it is made of stone and metal and water. it can't move, breath, eat, or reproduce. clearly non-biological. how is it an organism?

It isn't an "organism" like you, me, and the bacteria inside of us.

A single species could not survive without the planet itself and other species. Likewise, the planet itself would just sit there without any of the species. It is the planet and all of the species combined that is "alive" in a sense.

I first thought of Earth itself as an organism when I watched this video: Michael Pollan gives a plant's-eye view | Video on TED.com

The "living" Earth is the sum of all of the species working together with this planet to continue.

You know what? If people like Yuya are actually separate entities, if I find someone in my dreams that is similar then I will never know for sure that she is real because I want one so badly, my subconscious could let a DC have the same powers over me, no matter how much I want against that.

The question is, will that truly matter?
As long as you believe it during the dream the experience will be the same.
I don't know either if Yuya is indeed a conscious entity or just a projection of my own subconscious.

You know what, it isn't really important to know if something is true or not.
It is important to be happy with our own beliefs and ideas; if I want to think that one being in my dream is an entity, I'll go ahead and say that it is a entity!

Originally Posted by Polarity

You know what, it isn't really important to know if something is true or not.
It is important to be happy with our own beliefs and ideas; if I want to think that one being in my dream is an entity, I'll go ahead and say that it is a entity!

I agree with you in this case, but you'll probably catch some flak from other people for saying this. I feel like it's important to "pick your battles" so to speak... You should never take this attitude in waking life, of course, when things can be objectively proven. But in dreams and visions, things cannot be observed separate from the observer! That is, the act of watching changes what you're watching. Quantum mechanics has a bit of this but I'm not going to delve into that, because I admit I know very little of it. Point is, you have to use your intuition and best judgment to decide what is true. That isn't easy, of course. My friends have some doubts that what they experience is "real", and I don't even have any personal experience to go off of. But in the end, it's all that you can really do.

Or maybe since I want so bad for it would be to be true, my subconscious wouldn't give special traits to a DC.

Originally Posted by MIIISTERNEUGIT

You know what? If people like Yuya are actually separate entities, if I find someone in my dreams that is similar then I will never know for sure that she is real because I want one so badly, my subconscious could let a DC have the same powers over me, no matter how much I want against that.

I understand how you feel about this. I'm in the same boat, even just about meeting a dream guide.

However, I think a lot of it is how you interpret the experience in your dreams. If, in your dream, you think they may be your guide or another entity, then that's what they are. I tend to overanalyze things, I think that's a lot of my problem with this kind of thing. -_-

I tend to over-analyze things myself, but in some dreams, I do not feel the urge to do so.
Some experiences feel much more overwhelming than in waking life, causing me to blindly accept what I am presented with in these dreams.

This obviously does not mean that I don't start over-analyzing these experiences once I've woken up, but whilst I'm dreaming, I have a very easy time accepting these things.

I suppose I don't do too much over-analyzation while I'm in the dream, I usually do just accept what's going on, or my feelings on the situation. It's the over analyzing I do when I wake up that almost makes me feel like my over-thinking is hindering my dream content. Does that make sense?

Yeah, it does make sense.
I wouldn't worry about it too much though, I do the same thing and so far I don't feel like it has impaired my dreaming in any way.

Indeed, you're right. I guess I just worry too much sometimes.

Before I read anything on meditation or life existence I took mushrooms. The mushrooms lead me to ego loss and suddenly all this information spoken here came to me. I just knew that we were all one, I could feel it. I knew that there is more to just us being a body and that we do have a soul. All these "theory's" came to me. I did not think too much of it until I went online and saw people posting the same thing. I started reading books on meditation, Buddhism, etc. Essentially they all say the same thing. Maybe science cant see this, but how could they. This is not logic, you cannot view this with logic. It comes from being at peace with yourself and looking deep within. Sure I cheated and took a drug, but the monks who have devoted their lives to meditation come to the same conclusion. This may or may not be the correct way, but nothing really is. We don't really know anything.

hahaha pretty much the same thing happened to me when I took mushrooms