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Lets just assume hypothetically someone with strong dream control has mastered shared dreaming to the point they can infiltrate anyones dreams and exert control over the dreams of others. |
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Yep, it's wrong with any intention, actually. It's invading someone's privacy, and what can be more private than the mind realm. If you do want to enter someone's dream you should ask for their permission first. |
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Morality is subjective. Do whatever you want, the universe doesn't care if it's the wrong or right thing. |
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Through my experience, became aware of my breath, then
Began to cultivate my art with the intention of the heart,
Started to use my sentences as reflections.
And what I saw was God was in all of us and we all come to be interconnected.
And all that was depended on all of us
And had effects like a domino when you let it.
Go with the flow, that the universe holds.
Ha! |
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I'm not quite so sure about that. I've meditated on this subject quite a lot, and I've found that morality is something that was invented, rather than discovered. Although the notion of right and wrong bas been debated on for quite some time, very few people cared about it at all. In fact, there were almost no non-fanatically religious educated people who even considered it before the 17 hundreds. Kings were largely what would be considered nowadays scum, and baron and earls only cared about power. |
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Last edited by proctree; 03-03-2015 at 05:17 PM. Reason: bit too ofenssive
Through my experience, became aware of my breath, then
Began to cultivate my art with the intention of the heart,
Started to use my sentences as reflections.
And what I saw was God was in all of us and we all come to be interconnected.
And all that was depended on all of us
And had effects like a domino when you let it.
Go with the flow, that the universe holds.
You are right that if we study just this one life, we will not find any justice: Many good people suffer and many bad people thrive. |
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I feel like the writer metaphor might be a bit off. Books are a method of escapism to another world. This is why most books have some sort of good ending even when the protagonists do not deserve one. We, as humans, build morality-based universes for our minds because we cannot live in one. |
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Through my experience, became aware of my breath, then
Began to cultivate my art with the intention of the heart,
Started to use my sentences as reflections.
And what I saw was God was in all of us and we all come to be interconnected.
And all that was depended on all of us
And had effects like a domino when you let it.
Go with the flow, that the universe holds.
Maybe you want to reread my writer metaphor with this in mind: I was not talking about morality at all, just about pleasure and suffering and how much to blame the "writer". And I am not talking about no good ending book. I am talking about books where "moral" characters die an unjust death. The writer may care about the "morality" of the characters and their story in general, but will not necessarily give them a happy ending, or a happy life. The happy ending is for the public, that's a different topic. |
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Last edited by Occipitalred; 03-03-2015 at 11:55 PM.
I think our views of the world are much closer than we think. I can see why you wouldn't want to be part of a morally grey "character"'s story, it very often ends ambiguosly, but somehow worse for others. |
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Through my experience, became aware of my breath, then
Began to cultivate my art with the intention of the heart,
Started to use my sentences as reflections.
And what I saw was God was in all of us and we all come to be interconnected.
And all that was depended on all of us
And had effects like a domino when you let it.
Go with the flow, that the universe holds.
Thanks for sharing some of your story proctree. Nothing is more valuable than stories. |
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Last edited by Occipitalred; 03-03-2015 at 10:08 PM.
It's truly beautiful. Did you really compose that just now? You should consider publishing some poetry volumes. I for one would buy one. |
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Through my experience, became aware of my breath, then
Began to cultivate my art with the intention of the heart,
Started to use my sentences as reflections.
And what I saw was God was in all of us and we all come to be interconnected.
And all that was depended on all of us
And had effects like a domino when you let it.
Go with the flow, that the universe holds.
Thank you, (yes, I really did just compose that just now, but the image of those falling towers is something I have visualized a few times in the past to ponder destruction). I am personally happy with it, given I haven't written a poem since High School. |
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Last edited by Occipitalred; 03-03-2015 at 10:46 PM.
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Through my experience, became aware of my breath, then
Began to cultivate my art with the intention of the heart,
Started to use my sentences as reflections.
And what I saw was God was in all of us and we all come to be interconnected.
And all that was depended on all of us
And had effects like a domino when you let it.
Go with the flow, that the universe holds.
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Last edited by DawnEye11; 03-04-2015 at 12:50 AM.
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So, lets keep the morality discussion revolving around the OP if we can. Great conversation, but straying off topic, kind of. |
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Thanks for the interesting replies everyone, don't have much time now but i will post more later on. I asked the op question partially because i was remembering a topic maybe in beyond dreaming about attempting to visit volunteers in sd nightmares in order to cause lucidity and possibly work out bugs and gather evidence of sd. In this experiment ppl were trying to force nightmares onto willing participants, though i also wonder if sd is possible then how good would the aim have to be to avoid accidentally causing unwilling minds to have nightmares. I don't really care to debate whether sd is possible or how it works though which is why op question is hypothetical. |
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Last edited by Dreamzilla; 03-04-2015 at 06:39 AM. Reason: typo
It's wrong based on circumstance, although there are probably very few where it would be right. Intent and the final result determine why something happens and whether the risks and effort involved in doing something are worth it, you can't realistically say that the ends will always justify the means. The reason why an end comes is equally as important as the end itself. |
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Here's another question to ask yourself, Dreamzilla: is a nightmare that you enjoy or welcome still a nightmare? |
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Hypothetically, I would also say yes, it would be wrong. Or at least, not a good thing to do. |
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Invading someone's privacy is wrong. I have no chance in hell to visit my friend in a dream or a lucid, or in real time zone as a ghost, yet I still asked her for permission to visit, just in case : P Also, I don't want to be chased away by her spirit guardian when I visit uninvited : P |
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Last edited by gab; 03-04-2015 at 09:17 PM.
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Last edited by DawnEye11; 03-06-2015 at 03:25 AM.
"Be the best You, you can be...Relax...Listen...Imagine...*Silence*...Zzzzz"
DreamCafe11----DawnEye11
DreamBuddy-Jadegreen
I wonder if that changes anything, though, whether objective morality exists or not. In both case, it's the same. Atheists have access to the same morality as a religious. Within any group (catholic, jew, hindu, atheist), there is more diversity of morality than between the average morality of each group. I think that acting morally remains relevant even without objective morality. [QUOTE] |
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Last edited by Occipitalred; 03-06-2015 at 07:07 PM.
Though I like to think that a God who goes to all the trouble to create thinking/loving beings and give them an afterlife would never give them a Hell as well, I have a feeling that this God would find better ways to rehabilitate an errant soul than even one day of hellish torture. To assume that the creator of all things would ever be petty or vindictive enough to create Hell (even for one day) is to diminish the nature of that creator -- perhaps to the point of making that God more human than deity -- and that makes no sense to me, no matter how much this stuff is written about (by humans) in the Bible. |
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