Thread: Shared Lucid Dreaming Tutorial

I will re post something a while ago. I am now back nito LDin g and dreamsharing. my table is full. but in my story are some good techniques as well.

A few people have PM'd me asking about my dreamwalking experiences. well I have compiled a story of my experiences. it thouroughly explains Why I stopped doing it. I would appreciate no one else PM'ing asking about it.

At the time I was reading Carlos Castaneda - The Art of Dreaming. I was following the guidelines he layed out in the book which he called "The Gates of Dreaming".

After Finding my hands in my dreams a few times but not having any solid lucid dreams. I sought out some forums. 1. I found based on toltec nagualism, Where a self proclaimed Nagual was hosting a shared dreaming thread. 2. Was a website called Dreamviews. Which deals with mainly lucid dreams, and excludes much of psychic dreaming and shared dreaming. On the nagual Forum. It was set up so that users invited to the forum were to post on a thread declaring their Intent to dream with the rest of the group.

The statement was simply "I give you permission to dream with me" Everyone else would acknowledge with a "Welcome you have my permission to dream with me". Now, I'm not sure wether it was the Naguals psychic energy (which he had in surplus) or the collective intent of the group that allowed the dreamsharing possible. I Have tried with others since, but with minimal dream synchronicity. Anyway, on one particular month The entire group decided to meet on a beach in their dreams. That month nearly Everyone had a dream of meeting the Nagual on the beach. Everyone saw him as a blond man with a medium build, he was older looking but young at the same time. Also during this time, i had set up a dreamsharing experiment of my own with a girl from the Dreamviews forum. WE both made the declaration of intent as well. In a bit I'll share the beach dream I had.

But first I'll explain what was happening at dreamviews (DV for short) at the time. I befriended this girl DV and started an experiment with her. In the first week I dreamt I was lost in calgary, for some reason my attention was drawn to a yellow truck. it was flopping all over the parking lot. It almost seemed to be alive. A few nights later the girl (Which I'll call 'x'" i was trying to dreamshare with had a Lucid dream that was cut short because she was distraced by Yellow Trucks. A minor Synch. BUT in the next week the synchronicites were increased.

I would have a dream about a Dog or a wolf, then she would dream about a dog and a wolf. And on the night that I had my beach dream, she had a beach dream with the same blonde man. Here is the beach dream i had. Take note of all the dreamsigns.

Quote:I became lucid. the dream suddenly felt real. i opened the door to the outside and realised that i actually feel with my hands the texture of the door. I excitedly ran up to a huge window and just spent minutes just feeling the window and admiring how REAL it felt. i could even differentiate between hot and cold and where peoples breath had warmed spots on the windows.

I suddenly woke up on a beach. i looked around stunned, this wasn't my apartment. but it looked like somewhere in southern ontario (i've never been south of mississauga so how would i know what southern ontario is like?) the sand was about 5 feet away from a 4 ft high sandcliff. past the cliff was grass. i looked to my right and in the distance i saw some people coming. i climbed up the cliff and it seemed the cliff wasn't solid. but i managed to make it up. i found a path that looked like it hadn't been used for weeks so i tried to walk along it. further in the grass i saw a brown dog or wolf prowling. he was running in circles chasing something. he looked freaky so i jumped back down the cliff so he wouldn't spot me. The people i saw earlier were a few minutes walking distance away. Perhaps i could ask them how to get home from here. but i tried my luck and climbed back up the cliff almost falling down again. i didn't hear the wolf. so i started walking.

I spotted him AGAIN. and he seemed really angry i knew if he spotted me he would take his anger out on me. i went back down the cliff again. The people were there. there was a man that appeared to be in his early 30's but his maneurisms were that of someone much older. He had a light medium build, with short blonde hair. with him was a stunning blonde woman that seemed to be his wife. they sat down a few yards away. i think they had children playing in the distance but i payed no attention "'scuse me" i said. "This may sound strange but i was dreaming and then i woke up here! WHERE the hell am i exactly?".
the blonde woman ignored me but the man gave me a scrutinising look and said. " HUH? son! how could you NOT know where you are". he then smiled and laughed. "dreaming and then woke up here?!?!?" he laughed again.

"Uh yeah, i was having the most amazing dream and then i woke up here. And i don't know where here is..." - end Quote

On the same night X had a dream on a beach with the same blonde man, with a different woman who asked her to look after their kid. So in essence, We were both in the same dream. She was just down the beach in my dream she appeared as a child looking after the other kid. After the nagual left them alone he then walked towards me where we had my embarrassing convo. some specifics were different - In her dream the woman was brown haired adn the nagual had a slight beard. In my dream she was blond and the nagual was clean shaven. Both of us had concluded it was the same man and the decription of the beach was the same. And for some reason the nagual had decided to keep us separate.

This is where it went downhill: Due to the experience I gradually became obssesive about X. And, since she was only a 3 hour drive away, We both thought it possible to meet someday. So, I decided to consult an elder woman on the nagual forum and told her all about what was happening so far. She told me, that me and that girl were akin to family in a past life. That's why it made it so easy for us to get dream syncronicities. So, that added to my obsessiveness.

For two weeks my dreams went downhill. Our dreams would still synch. But I also got very vivid dreams of meeting x. And whenever I met x in the dreams, she seemed to be evil and had little respect or friendliness towards me. In one dream she would insist i buy her treats and stuff and then run off in a limo. (Limos were also a common dreamsign in X's dreams. she was usually picked up by her dream lover, which i suspect was some astral entity with the mindset of "3rd density girls are easy").

But also sometimes the dreams were wonderfull. We would both send messages on dream TV.'s (another shared dreamsign) she would write love letters to me. I should also mention I saw ehr face in a T.V. screen before i actually saw her picture. My heart skipped a few beats when i saw her picture and saw it was the same picture from my dream.

On Retrospect. Our higher selves were trying to connect on the astral plane via dreaming. I think that the times i really did view her dreambody (or astral body) it was always with a barrier we both had to overscome. ie The nagual keeping us separate on a beach, and being behind T.V. screens. And the times where I thought I saw her, was either my unconcious manifesting my fears, or Some other Entity feeding off my energy since I exerted so much when she was on my mind (hey, Free lunch). Unfortunatly I interpreted the Negative Dreams as her real Higher self .

To make matters worse I would dream Of standing over her bed - Then she would wake up in the night feeling a presence in her room. As the weeks went on I became more obssessive about her - Wishing I could overcome the barriers and find out what was the truth. I would like to say right now that I have never stalked anyone or would ever dream to. But slowly the obsession began giving me thoughts and urges that were terrible towards her. I knew if I kept up this and, If i were to give in those urges, I would become the very thing I would most fear. I came to the conclusion that I could not allow for that to happen so I decided to quit the experiment and stay away from her.

Around the same time I had lent her the Carlos Castaneda book of dreaming (This will be an importance piece later on). Anyway, To end the experiment i would need to reverse my intent to dream with X. I ended up doing a mock sorcery spell. In one of the CC books a Nagual tells carlos to write his notes with his fingertips instead of his pen - As it would be the perfect 'not doing' for him ("not Doing" Is a Shamanic way of briefly getting into a higher conciousness state by deliberately doing things backwards. ie putting on your left shoe first instead of your right shoe first.) So i wrote on a piece of paper with only my fingertip something to the effect of "X no longer has my permission to dream with me" I then took it out to my balcony and burned it, waving all the smoke up into the air. I then emailed X my formal goodbye, not really explaining why, but making it clear it would be a good idea for her to stay away. She still emailed me back thogh saying, she had a dream of watching a TV screen with a beach. There were words scrolling across the screen saying "Stay out Staw away."

I then consulted the elder lady from the nagual forum again, Telling her what had just happened. She told me to at least try to explain to X what happened adn to apologise. So i tried to. But X stopped responding to me (just as I'd wished earlier.) I guess by then she was percieving me as being what I had feared before of becoming. Over a 6 month period It didn't get any easier. Almost everynight before bed, just when i was on the verge of sleep, X's Avatar would flash into my mind jolting me awake. And when i dreamt She was always there taunting me (The dream entities i suspect). In the dreams she did her best to create drama, laugh at me, and do disturbing things. This went on for a long time. I was almost suicidal and considered councelling. This made my recovery very difficult.

I figured I Would need some of her energy to complete the barrier I had tried to set up. So eventually, I convinced her to send the book i had lent her back to me. I figured since she was reading that book around the same time I cut her off, she would have left some energy in the book directed towards me. (not conciously of course, since the book would remind her of me and what i did she would have had some upset towards it). And I was right:

When i got the book in the mail, If i held it, My hands would violently shake.When I put it up on the bookshelf in my room, i could feel it staring at me at night with the worst intent. It scared the hell outta me. So after a week of this. I Saged the book and burned it. Then i went to sleep with the intent of finding her dreambody to tell her to reverse her own intent (Her higherself would have to obey my commands Since, in dreaming anything you clearly yell out in your dreams will manifest to some extent). That night I dreamt I was in front of a TV. screen with the words scrolling across "Get out, stay out." I have never dreamt of x since.

And my obsessiveness vanished. Afterwards, X left the DV forum about a year later. We stayed out of eachothers' way, in that time. I guess in the midst of all my craziness to rid myself of the dark obsession I either Angered her or scared the hell out of her (without meaning to of course), Because one of her friends at the forum began IM'ing me Death threats and calling me Scum of the Earth on the forum. The moderators dealt quickly with this. I found out she had been telling people that I was continuously harrassing her (Which doesn't make sense because I ended the interaction and respected her wishes after I apologised and got my book back).

I have since lost interest in logging my dreams and trying to become lucid. I have tried to dreamshare with others on occassion with little success. Every once in a blue moon I'll become lucid and my Higher self will yell X's name, when that happens my concious self kicks in and wakes me up (I have to keep my end of the bargain.) Now why am I telling you all this?To get it out. I have never told this story to anyone in it's entirety.

What I have learned:

- I have a dark side that Is a part of me yes, But I must always keep it in check. To quote a Vulcan master "You must control your negative emotions or they will control you".
- Drama is best kept on the TV screen instead of in your own life.
- When something remarkable happens to you, Treat it with love and respect. Don't give in to fear.

Did this go to Research Department first?

Man of Shred, that takes guts to share something like that. It brings a tear to my eye. Often when we enter realms without guidance, we don't know what's going on, and we get lost.

When I first started doing astral projection/remote viewing, in my early 20's, I discovered a lot of things that made me paranoid. The fact that I had no one to discuss it with made me feel insane. I had no friends with similar experiences to what I saw and felt on the astral plane, this was around 1992, so there was nothing like the internet forums we have today.

I tried to remote view David Morehouse. He always would either not hear or see me, or hear me, cock his ear, then stare up at me and squint, saying, "What? What? I can't hear you? What?" I may have confused him because I was asking if he could see me.

I thought I was going insane. Little did I know I was discovering truth.

I quit all of that, and went back to church, where I felt safe.

Fast forward to my late 20's.

I met a girl, R., who I had a huge crush on, maybe an obsession. She was the typical hot blond chick, which is strange, because I am not usually attracted to girls that skinny. She had long beautiful straight blond hair down almost to her waist, large really dark brown eyes, a sexy mischevious smile, and a runner's legs. She was also a cockteasing beeyotch.

There was an instant connection. We used to talk to each other telepathically all the time. She showed me that she had telepathy. At this point in life, I was beginning to reject the notions of my old tyme religion.

I thought we were destined to be together because of our connection. I assumed we had to be soulmates. I asked her if I could come to her in dreams. I thought I might be able to do it with this girl, because of our strong connection.

She said, "hell, yes! Go for it," and smiled.

That night I did astral projection and this is what I saw:

R. as a scared little girl holding a stuffed animal, hugging herself like she was cold, softly crying, looking alone. She was standing on a large checkerboard. There were shapes like the Seattle Space Needle all about. I tried to get her attention, but she couldn't see me. I don't think she was lucid at all.

The next day I saw her and told her the dream. I had no clue as to the success of it. I was experimenting. Her eyes got huge. She slowly shook her head. I thought she was being melodramatic.

"Get out of my head," she whispered.

"Uh...what?" I replied.

"GET OUT OF MY HEAD!" she screamed.

I then realized she was serious.

"I'm, sorry, but I don't know what you're talking about." She was acting like I just assaulted her.

"I'm sorry, Nomad, but, ok, listen. Last night I dreamed I was back in Amsterdam, there is a huge chess board there with life sized pieces in a park. Also, the hotel where we stayed at had a huge sign with that exact shape. I know you didn't mean to freak me out, but you are freaking me the fuck out. I am sorry, but you just need to stay the fuck out of my head."

She paced back and forth, and waved her hands around her head like she was shooing off stinging insects in a panic. She left the part out about how she was a scared little girl.

I never tried that again with her. I did try to have sex with her, because she was constantly teasing me, extremely overtly. I became obsessed. Everything finally came to a head one night when we finally made physical contact. But, she still remained the cocktease she always was.

I totally cut her off. I had never done that with a beautiful woman, but with her I felt I had to. Years later, I have tried to contact her again, but with no success.

I learned a painful lesson: just because you have a strong psychic connection with someone, it doesn't mean you are soulmates, or destined to be together. It just means you have a strong connection. (There may be unresolved past life issues, but I didn't believe in past lives at the time.)

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It was this experience that made me believe I could dream share.

There were a couple dreams where I thought I kissed or made love to Raven Knight. I found out it was Selene, a lover from a past life masquerading as Raven to be with me. Selene also appeared to me in a dream where I visited the temple of Artemis of the Ephesians, appearing as a priestess of the temple so she could be with me.

After I made peace with Selene, I realized it was her in those three dreams. Raven was understanding, and I wasn't embarrassed, because, hey, funny stuff happens in dreams. Raven and I have kind of a brother-sister relationship. We were siblings in a past life or lives. Yeah, it was kind of a Luke Skywalker-Princess Leia moment.

Now, Selene doesn't force herself into my dreams, or come disguised. I am no longer confused or bewildered by her.

It's disappointing that in Western society we are not taught about any of this as children, though it comes naturally to kids. We are taught this is real, this is not, and then we ignore many of our experiences, or dismiss them as imagination.

I am sorry that you had such a painful experience. It reminds me of when I first began to awaken practicing RV/AP. What you wrote resonates with me, and I believe it is true.

The good news is that Raven and I are at the level of understanding where we won't get freaked out or too amazed by anything. I don't remember where that saying is from, but I know it's not from me.

"Do not be amazed," is mantra I repeat to myself in my head. Allowing ourself to become too amazed ends a lucid dream. Becoming too amazed with a connection leads to obsession.

King Solomon said, "Ignorance is bliss, but with much knowledge comes great sorrow." I would like add to that. With understanding of much knowledge comes great joy, and great responsibility.

I must share my knowledge despite ridicule, for I want as many people that are interested in shared dreaming to be able to do it.

I hope we can one day dream share, Man of Shred. You are someone that can obviously do it. For some reason, it seems like it is a law of the universe, that we have to suffer to learn truth. I don't know why that is. I think maybe the suffering humbles us enough to open our eyes. With humility comes compassion, and with compassion comes a gentle spirit that is understanding of hostile energy that is directed toward one when being open and honest such as we have just been with everyone who is reading this.

this sounds very interesting...however I have much too much trouble wilding or dilding to experiment with any of this. If it is possible, I would invite you to try and awaken me in a dream. You said so yourself you would like to learn how

Originally Posted by tkdyo

this sounds very interesting...however I have much too much trouble wilding or dilding to experiment with any of this. If it is possible, I would invite you to try and awaken me in a dream. You said so yourself you would like to learn how

ok. I will try this tonight.

are you sure you could find me? i mean...Im not sure how well I come over on this forum in order for you to know its me, but it would be very very exciting if you were able to succeed. I would not be freaked out or anything if you even just saw what my dream was. on the contrary I would be quite excited and it would make me want to try and investigate a lot more.

I have another question too...how come you dont know what raven looks like irl? does she always change her appearance in her dreams?

Originally Posted by tkdyo

are you sure you could find me? i mean...Im not sure how well I come over on this forum in order for you to know its me, but it would be very very exciting if you were able to succeed. I would not be freaked out or anything if you even just saw what my dream was. on the contrary I would be quite excited and it would make me want to try and investigate a lot more.

I have another question too...how come you dont know what raven looks like irl? does she always change her appearance in her dreams?

I never thought it was important to know. The only reason she know what I looked like is because I wanted to send her a video me playing didjeridoo. I The funny thing is, I have never really noticed her face in dreams. Kind of like when a friend of yours walks up from behind you, and then begins walking next to you. You know who it is without having to turn and look at their face.

I tried to look at her face last night, and it was was unclear, but then that whole dream was dim and blurry. She has looked to me like either a translucent pink spirit, similar to rose quartz, or a woman wearing a white cape and cowl, and boots, and wearing a white tunic and pants underneath the robe. I have always known it was her, or at least been pretty sure.

I guess the knowing is a type of sixth sense that doesn't require our dream eyes.

I highly recommend The Sense of Being Stared At which is written by a biologist about the extra senses.

I suggest you try to point at her in a dream. If your index doesn't work, try your pinky. That should reveal what she is hiding. though she may not like that.

Originally Posted by Man of Shred

I suggest you try to point at her in a dream. If your index doesn't work, try your pinky. That should reveal what she is hiding. though she may not like that.

Maybe I was being unclear. Sorry about that. Raven Knight is a real person. She is not hiding anything. I am just having a hard time increasing clarity, especially in WILD's. That one was particularly blurry and dim. It seems like when we progress further into the dream journeys, they dreams get brighter and clearer, but then we are usually running around fighting, and I don't have time to look at her face.

It's like when you watch a movie with an actor you've never seen before, and then you can't remember what that person looked like.

Very well written, Nomad. Certainly something I will be looking into once I get the hang of WILDing.

I think that even if people don't believe in shared dreaming,they should try this,it
would make their DCs more intelligent and better fighters.

It would also increase your dream control i think.

I shall do that when i get some more lucid dreams

Interesting post Nomad, it got me interested in your SD adventures so I read some in Raven's DJ... totally amazing! I know it's not die-hard proof but any skeptic would do well reading your shared adventures... lol. It really got me excited to go into SD again (so far I havent had much succes though, but now I have someone IRL to practise with ).

thanks so much for writing this, Nomad. i've been wanting to learn more about it... your dreams are really cool.

Interesting experience, though article contains little actual tech for shared dreaming. Currently there are several shared dreaming experiments going on Russian dreaming forums (including mine) using different approaches. On mine we use a common symbol and a dreamscape which is modelled in ActiveWorlds (3D-chat). There more fun than actual results though .

Originally Posted by Phantasos

Interesting experience, though article contains little actual tech for shared dreaming. Currently there are several shared dreaming experiments going on Russian dreaming forums (including mine) using different approaches. On mine we use a common symbol and a dreamscape which is modelled in ActiveWorlds (3D-chat). There more fun than actual results though .

I lurked on a Russian dreaming forum by Ravenna. There was some cool stuff on there. Some of it was confusing, but the Dreamhackers' ideas are something that definitely rings true.

I know a lot of it is lost in translation. It's true that I don't go into specifics of techniques. The most important thing is intention, and belief in at least the possibility.

Originally Posted by WakingNomad

It's true that I don't go into specifics of techniques. The most important thing is intention, and belief in at least the possibility.

Yes, but you did gave the most inportant technique of all: "You will pick up on their energy signature." This is the way to connect spiritually with anyone, be it in dreams or IRL. (note to skeptics: forget what I said).

Originally Posted by Xetrov

Yes, but you did gave the most inportant technique of all: "You will pick up on their energy signature." This is the way to connect spiritually with anyone, be it in dreams or IRL. (note to skeptics: forget what I said).

mhm it can be done, but you have to be carefull some are kinda wiccans and can show you something that's not real.

but picking on there energy signature is like getting to know a person (it can be done by chat <3!) and separating their personality ego , by lifting a veil they might have put on, and then feeling what they are, it's just a feeling that doesn't depend on anything really, but that gives you information about things like being calm, magical element, light/heavy presence , etc, people that don't have their third eye developed won't notice when they are being "investigated" so it won't be such a trouble to get info, but there are others that do feel it happening and can accept you going into them to see, or others that will block your attemp or fool you with something fake.

Originally Posted by mowglycdb

mhm it can be done, but you have to be carefull some are kinda wiccans and can show you something that's not real.

but picking on there energy signature is like getting to know a person (it can be done by chat <3!) and separating their personality ego , by lifting a veil they might have put on, and then feeling what they are, it's just a feeling that doesn't depend on anything really, but that gives you information about things like being calm, magical element, light/heavy presence , etc, people that don't have their third eye developed won't notice when they are being "investigated" so it won't be such a trouble to get info, but there are others that do feel it happening and can accept you going into them to see, or others that will block your attemp or fool you with something fake.

What do you mean like by the above?

SO can u and ur frind actrually come in each other dreams me and my frined are practising lucid dreaming so can we actually see wach other and it would actully be him like HIM HIM

Originally Posted by nartdart

SO can u and ur frind actrually come in each other dreams me and my frined are practising lucid dreaming so can we actually see wach other and it would actully be him like HIM HIM

lolbanned typical 10-yr-old

"like teh lol i have a dreamview!!1!"

Originally Posted by WakataDreamer

lolbanned typical 10-yr-old

"like teh lol i have a dreamview!!1!"

I wish there was some type of way we could do lucid dreaming classes for kids. It would help prevent a lot of nightmares in the world.

That would be cool... but I never HAD ightmares as a kid...

I had some scary shit, but I just manned up and destroyed it, y'know...

Hmmm, I used to be interested in shared dreaming, then I lost interest. But after last night's LD which I THOUGHT it was a shared dream for a moment, I have re-gained interest.

Gotta check all this out.

I will read the tutorial now. Thanks man.

I don't think being wiccan has anything to do with showing things that aren't real. Religion is irrelevant. Someone with a strong psychic potential or better instinctive control of their energy could do it, and someone with something they are ashamed of or something they think they have to hide might do it without even knowing... or they might do it on purpose. I know two women who are wiccans and they aren't deceptive at all. I'm rather undecided on religion... none of them match my beliefs!

Also, if the dreamer sees something that isn't real, it could be they were shown something false, or could be their perception. My mind usually makes me see things in a form that I will recognize and understand. I don't think I have been interacting with a real Altaïr in my dreams, but that is what I see because I will recognize him and know what to do.

Originally Posted by mowglycdb

mhm it can be done, but you have to be carefull some are kinda wiccans and can show you something that's not real.

but picking on there energy signature is like getting to know a person (it can be done by chat <3!) and separating their personality ego , by lifting a veil they might have put on, and then feeling what they are, it's just a feeling that doesn't depend on anything really, but that gives you information about things like being calm, magical element, light/heavy presence , etc, people that don't have their third eye developed won't notice when they are being "investigated" so it won't be such a trouble to get info, but there are others that do feel it happening and can accept you going into them to see, or others that will block your attemp or fool you with something fake.