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      Stabilization NEVER works..

      Hello

      I have some problem that really makes me crazy. First I have to say that I'm quite an advanced lucid dreamer, I have about 5-7 lucid dreams per week and they are all vivid and normally dream control is not a big problem for me (means, I could turn into an animal or fly to the universe, if I only had the time for that!)... the only thing that really never works is stabilization !! I tried every technique, rubbing your hands, watching your hands, watching out for details, spinning, closing your eyes and open them again etc. but they never work, sometimes they even make the dream more unstable. It's annoying me because my LD skills are for nothing if I can not realize my plans during the dream because it's collapsing after a few minutes and it's never really stable.. I always have to take care not to wake up, it's kinda the main thing I do while being in the dream.. for example I can never fly extremly high or fast because when I do it, it means waking up immediatly..
      I know that stabilization techniques only help you, when you really believe in it.. but it's hard to believe that when it NEVER works.. am I the only one in here who has that problem?
      So how do you manage the problem? What do you do, that you really believe in it?

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      Yes sometimes stabalization actually makes me lose lucidity. Usually when I feel its ending I wake myself up and deild back into the lucid dream.

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      i just touch stuff like the ground or walls and that work great for me. try using your sences to ground yourself in the dream. and also if you expect your dreams to be unstable they will be, so try not to think about it. hope this info helps ya.

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      Try spending an entire LD just stablizing your dream body. Start by examining your hands. Try to make the image look correct. Feel the hands by touching your fingers together. Now do your elbows. bend the elbows a few times. Now stomp your feet and try to see them. Reach down and feel your knees and bend them. Take your time and do not cheat yourself. Now, when you have a pretty clear image and sense of working arms and legs, move around in some specific way, maybe dance or martial arts stuff or just 5 jumping jacks. This whole time you should be trying to use your voice and repeat "I am dreaming."

      Good luck, sometimes stablizing will take a plan and a few minutes. This entire sequence should span at least 2 minutes. I mean two actual minutes. Rushing through yoour stabilization will not help you have exciting adventures. In my experience, a two minute rigorous stabilization can last 10 minutes of LD time, then if all goes well you can spend much less time to stay stable after that when ever you have a break in the story or action, then do a basic stabilzation.

      I am not telling you to do this in every LD, but for now see if you can do this, it will be good training.
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      Never mind those techniques. You'll do better understanding the theory behind them. First thing you need to know is everything requires your attention to exist. This includes your dream body and your surroundings. When you first become lucid, your awareness tends to retread inwards, a sort of introversion as you contemplate your lucidity and what it means. You just need to balance your attention, on yourself and your surroundings. Spinning can be bad because it's disorienting, preventing you from focusing on your surroundings. The hand variations are good for stabilizing your body, but not your surroundings.

      Like Samedi said, touching stuff is good, because it involves both your dream body and interaction with your surroundings. Personally I like running, jumping and flying, as they provide a good balance between you and your surroundings. It doesn't matter what you do, as long as you achieve that balance between body and surroundings. Once you understand this, you'll never have stabilization problems again.
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      Quote Originally Posted by samedi View Post
      i just touch stuff like the ground or walls and that work great for me. try using your sences to ground yourself in the dream. and also if you expect your dreams to be unstable they will be, so try not to think about it. hope this info helps ya.
      Personally I would say something that reflects this quote from samedi. I touch objects in my dreams just as I do in real life. I find it great for stabilization and as a personal RC.

      The hard part is finding what works and feels real for you. Don't lose confidence, you will get this.

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      The Cusp makes a good point here. In dreams, never revoke your attention. In my experience this mainly means don't close your eyes unless you absolutely have to. Sometimes I've closed my eyes to concentrate or because I was frightened, and almost every time the dream ended or I lost lucidity because I'd made the dream world nonexistent by taking my attention away from it. That being said, a good way to stabilize is to stay involved in the dream by touching things. Using vocal commands to stabilize the dream has also worked for me. Now, if the dream is actually ending and isn't just unstable, then that's completely different. Touching things during your last few moments isn't going to help there; try doing what dutchraptor does and DEILD back in after the dream ends, then try the regular methods.

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