I would define a stable lucid dream as one in which I don't really have any fear of waking up from. Like you are so immersed in the entire dreamscape that you feel completely separated from your body. |
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I know a stable lucid dream is vivid, and is one where I have free movement and good balance. That's all I know! I have a feeling there's something I'm missing in defining a stable lucid dream. I have to know this in order to tell a stable lucid dream from an unstable one so I can create a game plan in having consistently stable lucid dreams. |
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I would define a stable lucid dream as one in which I don't really have any fear of waking up from. Like you are so immersed in the entire dreamscape that you feel completely separated from your body. |
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Maybe this tutorial, by dutchraptor might help you. |
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A stable lucid dream is one in which you don't fear waking. It is inevitable that you will wake, there is no reason to be worried about the inevitable. |
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Hmm... I guess that would be easier if you lucid-dream frecuently. I mean, if you luckily have a lucid dream once a month, the last thing you want is to waste that oportunity, but if you can have them like twice a week, then you won't worry that much, because it's not such a loss. So, being able to have lucid dreams with good quality is important, but quantity is important too, as it will help you gain confidence, thus improving your LD's quality. |
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Thanks for the input everybody! After a lot of thought, I think my problem has been that I'm not grounded enough. I need to concentrate on something in the dream to establish more of a connection with it. |
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^^ Before you are completely done with this thread, Dolphin, I'd like to mention that there might be something amiss in your OP's premise. |
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If you are faithful with few, you will be faithful with much. |
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Thanks, Sageous! I was hoping you would post. You're so helpful! |
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^^ Yup. |
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I have occasional (thankfully fairly rare among LDs) LDs where I have a very strong feeling that I must hold the dream by force of will alone, and if I "let go" even one tiny bit the dream will collapse -- these usually end soon anyway. I would certainly call these "unstable." I also occasionally have dreams with a "dizzy" feeling to them, which I'd also call unstable, which can be rectified by standard approaches like hand rubbing, which eliminates the "dizzy" feeling. I call a stable LD one which you don't need to exert much will (if any at all) in simply staying lucid and continuing on in the dream. |
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I've been researching self-awareness. Now that I believe I got my head around what self-awareness is, I made a game plan to keep my dreams more stable. |
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It is possible to go Sageous way, but as I said,That is a way to get stable LDs. If it is something that fits you as a dreamer, it will stick. If not, then you might have to try other avenues of dream control. |
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I know that. You know I'm the trial and error type! |
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It's good to remember that dream time is distorted, and does not progress linearly with real time. The dreams you remember upon waking usually occur in the last stages of sleep, and most often the last dream you remember occurred very shortly before you woke up -- you could feel as though you've been dreaming all night, when really your whole dream occurred in the last 5 minutes of your sleep. In the dream world, one minute can feel like an hour. It can also feel like a second, and it varies. However, interestingly enough, though your _experience_ of time changes, your _perception_ of time does not if you are actively considering it, as referenced by a study in 2004. |
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Don't forget to remember. Remember your goals, remember your body asleep in your waking-life bed, or just remember where you were a few minutes ago (even if it was in another dream). By consciously accessing memory you are maintaining a link with the engine that both defines you (so you won't be fooled by the dream-schema DC "you") and powers your dreams, pretty much assuring stability. |
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My watch does it fine. click a button and I am stable, vivid, and the dream will last longer. |
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^^ Then you are a very special person, Sensei, in that you can become lucid and enjoy control and stability without the presence of waking-life self-awareness. This is fairly paradoxical, since lucidity means the presence of waking-life self-awareness in a dream. |
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Ah, I see! Thanks for clearing that up! So the stability/dream control technique is like the machine and the self-awareness and memory is what makes the machine work. In my words anyway |
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A stable lucid dream is the same thing as a stable model for reality. You are in a virtual existence in which you can be sure of nothing except for what you think just happened and what is actually happening in the moment. The less you rely on your memory and the more you actually think critically, the more stable the dream is likely to get. When you try and access your memory or try and exercise brute force to change things that are happening rather than thinking of why it should happen, you are giving up your awareness to the unconscious mind. The more you try to feel things instead of think them, the more you give back to non-lucidity because that is what lies in the realm of unconscious thought. |
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I tried the dream stabilization and clarity tutorial last night. Once I finished with the hand exercise, though, I forgot completely about it and ended having another 1 minute lucid. The dream did feel very stable, though, like reality, as I was doing the hand exercise. My distorted hands were somewhat shocking though |
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Mantras work like a charm for me to stay lucid. I would repeat "I'm in a dream" to keep my lucidity(self awareness). Looking at my hands helps me stabilize the dream. I lack awareness though in LDs, so I try to focus on the present moment in the dream; you know, experience the current environment and senses, being mindful. Also little tricks help too, like I summoned a digital bar named "HD" and raised it to the max, though at that particular time this had not worked lol. I try shouting "clarity now!" while comcentrating on the clarity increasing and being more aware of the dream. I'm still kind of a beginner and suck at this though so don't mind me, plus I think you already know these, but I think I have a nice epic trick for you, a trick type dream control tech, and I'm sure it'll be worth a LD to try it out |
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Last edited by Sageous; 01-09-2015 at 08:49 PM.
I think you can consider this from two points of view: psychological stability and physiological stability. In the first, like I think Sensei and sageous are both saying, your mind (either your memory of who you are and why you are here, or simply your refusal to worry about the dream collapsing) allows the dream to be your primary reality as long as it physiologically will last. This is the stability that most LDers refer to when they talk about stability. |
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Last edited by ThreeCat; 01-09-2015 at 06:59 PM.
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