Thread: Shocking and definitive proof of what dreams really are

Yeah - sure - gravity can behave in strange ways - in all dreams - but in several degrees of intensity/strangeness.
To build even a pet hypothesis on the premises that in dreams there would be exactly half of it - is delusional.

Originally Posted by DreamyBear

I hear many people saying that when they try to run or punch in dreams, it feels like they are doing so in syrup or in slowmotion.

Moving slower doesn't equate with less gravity - if anything it would mean more. But when I have those dreams it doesn't feel like I'm heavier, just that I can't move fast. And how does flying work into this half gravity equation? This is just silly.

StephL yeah I agree with that.

Darkmatters. Im not trying to push any theory here just so you know, just in case you might think that I am. So yeah sure, it might be silly to make any "true" statement of gravity in dreams.

And how does flying work into this half gravity equation?

I dont know either, but try it out then.

Sorry, my statements were really aimed against the OPs ideas (not to justify them with terms they don't deserve like hypotheses). Your statements just started me thinking along those lines.

What I meant by that last part was that if we can float around almost weightlessly in dreams that would have to be much less than half gravity. More like maybe 1/1000th? Not sure. But again, it doesn't really feel like I'm lighter weight necessarily, just that I can float around. I mean it's a freaking dream - gravity is totally imaginary - how could you talk about it as if there's actually any gravity or physical bodies for it to act on? (not meaning you Dreamybear.. )

I think OP likes to hype his books by stirring up controversy - going for viral effect, and all we're really doing is helping him by continuing this conversation. This isn't even remotely worth discussing obviously - I'm outta here!

No needs to apology Darkmatters I would not make any statements on gravity either, since it changes all the time in dreams Well I get the same feeling as you to, that he might want to sell he's book. But I dont think that this thread has been or is any good comercial for his book so far. Probably the opposite. I do still hang around here because Im curious about what he might think is so revolutionary about his theory. My guess is that he might got over excited about something that's already common knowledge, only that he see's it in his kind of way and think of it as something new. Just as many others do when they learn something new.

*Moved to Extended discussion

How can you say, there is exactly half the gravity in dreams?
There is as much gravity as I choose to dream of - and nope - gravity works just fine in normal dreams - and I can have it at different levels in LDs.
You can't measure anything in dreams - it's all your imagination! *Sigh*.

Well here's the quote from him explaining half and full gravity.

Now, and VERY IMPORTANTLY, the maximum of feeling/touch/force/energy that is ACTUALLY experienced in dreams IS HALF of that in comparison to waking experience while standing. This constitutes excellent, substantial, fundamental, undeniable, clear, and foundational PROOF.

I don't really believe this really, most of the times in my dreams I don't feel a thing, but then those couple of times like when a dragon bit my arm and stuff, I defiantly felt the full force of it, waking me up. I have no idea how force and energy is half, since there is no energy except for the neurons firing off in your brain producing heat energy.

I really/actually want/desire to understand/comprehend your theory but it's difficult/arduous when you can't choose/specify one possible/sufficient word/term to use/write and instead present/include two.

I am completely capable of seeing through your word choice into whatever you're trying to say but it's distracting to read through all the synonyms. I got that terms are very interchangeable in this type of discussion and likewise take semantics with a grain of salt.

Hey Frank. If all your explanations was all about this statement

In short, dreams involve the fundamental experience of our growth and becoming other than we are.

Why dind't you just say so from the beginning?? Because this does at least make your theory clear now. With what you have been wanting everybody to understand from the start. This phrase is the only thing you been saying so far that make some actual sense. but this idea you have about dreaming is probably the most common understanding that people have about dreaming. We sleep and dream to recover from waking life, wich make us able to "grow".

Originally Posted by FrankDiMeglio

It is quite clear.

Given that everybody else cannot understand your posts, perhaps you might want to question whether this is really the case? Just an idea?

Darkmatters - interesting idea - he might try to go viral by stirring controversy.
I do not believe that - his thinking is too much in disarray.

Dreams combine, balance, and include opposites. The space is invisible and visible in fundamental equilibrium and balance. This IS the middle distance in/of space. This involves balanced and equivalent inertia, electromagnetism, and gravity. This involves BALANCED and MIDDLE force/energy/feeling/touch. My full position is stated/given in what I have already written in this thread. It is quite clear. Dreams involve balanced and equivalent attraction and repulsion. Notice here that VISION begins INVISIBLY inside the eye/body.

In dreams, we are alive (and conscious, obviously) in conjunction with what is the linked, separate, and FUNDAMENTAL experience of our growth and becoming other than we are.

In short, dreams involve the fundamental experience of our growth and becoming other than we are.

Now, again, this is clearly true. Moreover, I have already provided extensive, various, consistent, comprehensive, important, fascinating, and fundamental/foundational truths, facts, and proofs of same.


THIS IS AN EXTREMELY IMPORTANT SCIENTIFIC DISCUSSION/THREAD.
by Frank DiMeglio

Originally Posted by StephL

How can you say, there is exactly half the gravity in dreams?
There is as much gravity as I choose to dream of - and nope - gravity works just fine in normal dreams - and I can have it at different levels in LDs.
You can't measure anything in dreams - it's all your imagination! *Sigh*.

HALF GRAVITY IS CONSISTENT WITH THE EXPERIENCE OF THE MIDDLE DISTANCE IN/OF SPACE. Think about it please, and consider my ENTIRE position in this thread (and in my subsequent posts here). Also, half gravity is involved with invisible and visible space in fundamental equilibrium and balance. Think of BALANCED half gravity seen, felt, AND touched. Notice that vision begins invisibly inside the eye/body.

Dreams involve the FUNDAMENTAL experience of our growth and becoming other than we are.

Hey Frank. I dont know if you have noticed that I and others have been responding to your very unimportant and totally nonscientifc thread here. But you start to sound more like a spam-bot now, so one start to wounder if you are okey or if things starts to getting over heated for you. Since you like repeting your self, I might do the same to you. So you hopfully get the message. You stated this

In short, dreams involve the fundamental experience of our growth and becoming other than we are.

This is old news man... sure there is tons of stuff to learn about dreams. But this summary has a quite low WOW-factor to it since this is all your theory comes down to.. I think is time for me to leave this now. May at least your mind be with you Frank. And give your self some vacation from thinking for a while now, you deserve it.

Originally Posted by FrankDiMeglio

Dreams combine, balance, and include opposites. The space is invisible and visible in fundamental equilibrium and balance. This IS the middle distance in/of space. This involves balanced and equivalent inertia, electromagnetism, and gravity. This involves BALANCED and MIDDLE force/energy/feeling/touch. My full position is stated/given in what I have already written in this thread. It is quite clear. Dreams involve balanced and equivalent attraction and repulsion. Notice here that VISION begins INVISIBLY inside the eye/body.

In dreams, we are alive (and conscious, obviously) in conjunction with what is the linked, separate, and FUNDAMENTAL experience of our growth and becoming other than we are.

In short, dreams involve the fundamental experience of our growth and becoming other than we are.

Now, again, this is clearly true. Moreover, I have already provided extensive, various, consistent, comprehensive, important, fascinating, and fundamental/foundational truths, facts, and proofs of same.


THIS IS AN EXTREMELY IMPORTANT SCIENTIFIC DISCUSSION/THREAD.
by Frank DiMeglio

As a writer I have to stop you again. Why use both fundamental and foundational? Just pick one. I lied though, even if you picked one it wouldn't make your argument any clearer cause I still have no idea what you're talking about.

Dreams do connect our conscious and unconscious mind, and are fundamental to processing our experiences, this thread far from introduces that concept, but I'm curious how that relates to attraction and repulsion or what the hell you mean by saying thoughts are invisible when I think in pictures all the time. I tried reading your OP but it doesn't really connect any of this in a fluid fashion. Another part of writing is understanding the flow of the subject from point a to Turkey Biscuits.

I find dreams very interesting, and there is a lot that we don't know about them.
Of course, one shouldn't jump to conclusions just because one "wants" to believe in something - but on the other hand, the purpose of science is not to decide what is possible and not possible, its purpose is to test theories and see if they have any credibility.
So if dreams seem to function in a way that is hard to explain, for example the speculations that people might to some extent share dream experiences or even receive information from waking life, then this is something that could be worth researching.
Some people rely too much on the science as it is known today, and automatically dismiss everything that sounds alien as "absurd" and "nonsensical", and that's a big mistake.
In fact, Robert Waggoner himself once stated that in the future we might consider matter, energy and consciousness to be different forms of the same thing!
That was a very intriguing idea.

What is Reality?

Reality (in varying degrees, of course) pertains to the integrated extensiveness of being, experience, thought, emotion, feeling, vision/visual experience, touch/tactile experience, and space.

Ultimately (and importantly), truth, reality, and nature/natural experience go hand-in-hand. Balance and completeness go hand-in-hand.

The integrated extensiveness of thought (together with what is accurate, consistent, and comprehensive description) is improved in the truly superior mind.

Dream experience is essential/necessary and fundamental to the integrated, extensive, realistic, truthful, proper, accurate, and complete/full description and understanding of being, experience, thought, feeling, emotion, visual experience, tactile experience, physical experience, physics, etc.

There is no outsmarting the genius of dreams.

Dreams ADD to the integrated extensiveness of being, experience, thought, emotion, feeling, touch/tactile experience, visual experience, and actual physical experience in and with time.

Dream experience is possible/potential AND actual.

Dreams involve fundamentally balanced and stabilized distance in/of space. Now, the ultimate understanding and unification of physics/physical experience involves tactile experience, visual experience, AND feeling/felt experience.

Yo, do you have a theory/believe in shared dreaming?

The ultimate, theoretical, and proven unification of physics/physical experience


Dream experience involves fundamentally balanced and equivalent gravity, inertia, and electromagnetism.

Accordingly, the space is visible and invisible in fundamental equilibrium and balance. This IS the experience of the MIDDLE distance in/of space, and this is consistent with the experience of half gravity and half inertia as well. This involves fundamentally balanced MIDDLE strength force/energy/feeling/touch. There is a maximum of half or middle force/energy/feeling/touch in dream experience in comparison with waking and standing experience. Again, FULL GRAVITY is full distance in/of space as it is seen, felt, AND touched in our waking experience while standing on the Earth/ground. Think about it. Consider the range of feeling/touch. Carefully consider that VISION/VISUAL EXPERIENCE begins INVISIBLY inside the eye/body. DREAM EXPERIENCE IS THAT OF THE MIDDLE DISTANCE IN/OF SPACE consistent with visible and invisible space in fundamental equilibrium and balance as it is seen, felt, AND touched. Dream experience is semi-detached from touch.

Dream experience naturally, fundamentally, generally, ultimately, theoretically, and actually unifies physics (gravity, inertia, and electromagnetism) and physical experience (including seen, felt, AND touched). Being alive (and conscious, of course) in conjunction with what is the linked, separate, and FUNDAMENTAL experience of our growth and becoming other than we are necessarily AND theoretically involves an essential and fundamental mastery of physics/physical experience. I have proven it.

Dream experience is consistent with the great truth/fact that the self represents, forms, and experiences a comprehensive approximation of experience in general by combining conscious and unconscious experience. If the self did not represent, form, and experience a comprehensive approximation of experience in general by combining conscious and unconscious experience, we would then be incapable of growth and of becoming other than we are. Dream experience involves the FUNDAMENTAL experience of our growth and becoming other than we are.

Definitive proof of why dream experience is extremely important and fundamental


There is no doubt that we came alive in conjunction with the fundamental EXPERIENCE of our growth and becoming other than we are. Moreover, obviously, our experience, growth, and survival were ongoing/continuous. Accordingly, dreams experience is FUNDAMENTALLY linked with waking experience. Waking experience goes to dream experience, and dream experience goes to waking experience. This is hugely significant. How is this possible? What does this involve/mean? How is dream experience possible/potential AND actual experience?

Dreams involve the FUNDAMENTAL experience of our growth and becoming other than we are. It is not a theory. It is a fact. I have proven it. The dictionary definitions of what dreams are have to be changed.

The proper/accurate, consistent, FUNDAMENTAL, and comprehensive/full understanding AND description of what dream experience really and actually is (and of how it is constituted/possible) simply or basically wasn't there.

THIS IS AN EXTREMELY IMPORTANT DISCUSSION/THREAD. PLEASE READ AND VERY CAREFULLY CONSIDER ALL THAT I HAVE WRITTEN HERE.

Huge News in Science !!!!

Dreams combine, balance, and include opposites. The ultimate and fundamental experience (and the ultimate theoretical understanding) of physics/physical experience (seen, felt, AND touched) would involve our being conscious/alive in conjunction with the FUNDAMENTAL, linked, separate, and ultimate experience of our growth and becoming other than we are. There is no outsmarting the genius of dreams. Indeed, the ultimate understanding and unification of physics does combine, balance, and include opposites.

Dude I'm trying to understand what you've written here. It's the definition of argument by verbosity; you're throwing in as many words as you can and I still can't seem to find any substance. Your thesis seems to be this: Dreams allow us to grow through turning abstract thoughts into sensory data. Is this correct?

FrankDiMeglio, what you're saying reminds me of the Time Cube theory.

Have you ever read about it? You can find information at www.timecube.com.

Pretty fascinating, right? What is your expert opinion on this?

It's possible to disprove OP's theory in a level-headed manner without resorting to rude or dismissive comments like:

"Delusions of Grandeur wafting about.."
"ITT: Poorly informed self-promoter shouts recycled Platitudes."
"facepalm.png"
"This is seriously pathological thinking - trying to conjure up meaning out of empty word-shells - driven by a manic sense of ultimate revelation."
etc.

Just point out the holes in the theory and move on, there's no need for negativity. .-.