Quote Originally Posted by Occipitalred View Post
I find it repulsive that people make themselves believe they can care more about hypothetical fetuses more than the biological progenitors who are living the reality of it. [...] I don't find the abortion debate enriching at all. It's a non-issue that only exists to create division between political party supporters.
Thanks Occipitalred! I've reported the first posts as religious / right-wing propaganda to help Hilary see how extreme the position is.

@Hilary, your main point is that "Personal freedom STOPS when it actively harms another person", but you also said:

Quote Originally Posted by Hilary View Post
The pro-life stance is only asking that these women carry their babies to term. That's it. I know it's still a big ask for victims of rape and incest. But I do think these women, with the correct support, have the strength to do it. And, I also think that promoting abortion for these women only compounds and adds to their trauma. [...] How can a teenage girl who's been raped make that choice?
Can you tell me how imposing your belief here does not actively harm the child that has already gone through such trauma!? You want them to just deal with it and live with it for another 9 months!? Then give birth even if they might not be ready for it, physically or otherwise!? Sorry, but that is active harming another person no matter how you spin it. But, please - be my guest and help me understand how you are not actively harming the victim here with your beliefs.

On the subject of actively harming other people: what if not getting an abortion endangers the life of the mother? Do you expect her to carry to term no matter the risk and still maintain that imposing your belief on other's bodies somehow doesn't actively harm them? See here and get back to me please: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/w...wade-rcna35431

There can't be a discussion if your reasoning is irrational and incorrect. Your beliefs on this were politically manufactured and paid for so you vote against your own interests.