Thread: Dreams and Morality

I'm willing to accept that poster if I see any correlation in any evidence that supports it.

Otherwise, you picked out some nice buzzwords.

What about those people (you know these people) that keep saying they're going to do something but never do?

Originally Posted by Tripoli

You should be your own thought police in my opinion, no one else should or even could be.

Why limit your thinking? Just keep your actions in check and you'll be fine.

Humans are ''hard wired'' to stick around a partner for about 4 years.

Originally Posted by Mario92

Why limit your thinking? Just keep your actions in check and you'll be fine.

Not politically or socially, but urges, urges for violence, vulgar words, ect...

Originally Posted by Rawracookie

Humans are ''hard wired'' to stick around a partner for about 4 years.

Not trying to deny you but you wouldn't mind linking me the source?

Originally Posted by Tripoli

Not politically or socially, but urges, urges for violence, vulgar words, ect...

Nothing wrong with keeping your thoughts to yourself, and no reason to feel ashamed for thinking them. Acting on them, on the other hand...

Originally Posted by Mario92

Nothing wrong with keeping your thoughts to yourself, and no reason to feel ashamed for thinking them. Acting on them, on the other hand...

And I agree to an extent, but I personally could never see myself sleep with another women in my dreams if I was married. But that's just me, and the universe doesn't revolve around me.

Originally Posted by Tripoli

You should be your own thought police in my opinion, no one else should or even could be.

Thoughts don't need to be policed. There is a huge difference between a thought and an intention.

I'm pretty sure I saw it on TV (discovery channel?), but I googled ''humans monogamy not natural'' and got DEFLATING THE MYTH OF MONOGAMY

I don't remember my original source.

Originally Posted by Mario92

Why limit your thinking? Just keep your actions in check and you'll be fine.

Action without thought. Sounds normal.

I personally have stopped having lucid dream sex (when I have enough control to do so) since entering a relationship, more out of a sign of love and respect rather than necessity. Although I imagine my girlfriend wouldn't be opposed to my dream sex, I still think she wouldn't like the idea of it, much like I wouldn't like the idea of her having dream sex. I agree with Mario though that its unreasonable to expect a couple to never fantasize about another .for the rest of their lives in any shape or form (come on, everyone does it), and I do think lucid sex is just an extreme form of fantasy.

So overall, I think most wouldn't like the idea of their partner doing it, however would at least be understanding about it, even if its not ideal. Oh, and I also think its crazy to suggest theres any correlation between lucid sex fantasy and cheating or divorce, like I said, its just an extreme form of fantasy, everyone does it.

I agree with hukif, but if you put some thought into it, they're making real connections. Thoughts can turn inti words and words into actions. Our actions are based off our thoughts arnt they?

Originally Posted by Metalconch

I agree with hukif, but if you put some thought into it, they're making real connections. Thoughts can turn inti words and words into actions. Our actions are based off our thoughts arnt they?

Merely thinking about something doesn't mean you'll do it. If you cheat, it won't be because you had an excess of dream sex. If you need any other evidence, consider again the video game debate. Video games are perhaps the most sophisticated killing simulations ever created. In other words, they cause a person to think, and then willingly kill, simulated humans. And then it rewards said killing, either through achievements or the fun one has when gunning down the enemy. And yet, not a single shred of evidence has been found that shows a statistically significant link between murderers and video game addicts. This goes back to humans being rational creatures who are able to distinguish between fantasy and reality, and understand the consequences of their actions.

Originally Posted by sol

I personally have stopped having lucid dream sex (when I have enough control to do so) since entering a relationship, more out of a sign of love and respect rather than necessity. Although I imagine my girlfriend wouldn't be opposed to my dream sex, I still think she wouldn't like the idea of it, much like I wouldn't like the idea of her having dream sex. I agree with Mario though that its unreasonable to expect a couple to never fantasize about another .for the rest of their lives in any shape or form (come on, everyone does it), and I do think lucid sex is just an extreme form of fantasy.

So overall, I think most wouldn't like the idea of their partner doing it, however would at least be understanding about it, even if its not ideal. Oh, and I also think its crazy to suggest theres any correlation between lucid sex fantasy and cheating or divorce, like I said, its just an extreme form of fantasy, everyone does it.

Wow, I'm surprised how big of a debate this has turned into.

I agree with this post. I would never expect my partner to have no thoughts about other people, and I would never try and suppress them. But personally, if I had a girl I really cared about, I would do my best not to think about other women or have lucid dream sex with other women simply out of love and respect for the person. Once again, this is a debate about what is the morally right thing to do, not what will or will not cause you to cheat on your spouse.

Though I do believe that lucid sex can put the idea in your head. Which isn't a good place to start if you DO have a good healthy relationship.

Originally Posted by bennettb6

Wow, I'm surprised how big of a debate this has turned into.

I agree with this post. I would never expect my partner to have no thoughts about other people, and I would never try and suppress them. But personally, if I had a girl I really cared about, I would do my best not to think about other women or have lucid dream sex with other women simply out of love and respect for the person. Once again, this is a debate about what is the morally right thing to do, not what will or will not cause you to cheat on your spouse.

Though I do believe that lucid sex can put the idea in your head. Which isn't a good place to start if you DO have a good healthy relationship.

I agree 99.999999%
Hopefully this will stay a civil debate, and not a fight

Originally Posted by Mario92

Same bad reasoning used in the video game debate. "If person 1 kills virtual people, they will be more likely to kill real people, cuz they're carrying out the exact same actions in a virtual environment."

For those who feel it is morally wrong to have extramarital dream sex, I would like to know how you answer that.

Originally Posted by Mario92

Anyone who wants to limit another person's dreams has some serious self esteem/jealousy/control issues.

My wife...big brother. I choose not to accept that concept.

Originally Posted by ♥Mark

Don't marry the Thought Police.

What he said.

Originally Posted by Tripoli

You should be your own thought police in my opinion, no one else should or even could be.

I think Mark's point is that it is commonly accepted that at the point an individuals thoughts are invaded and judged, that person is the victim.

In East Asia, cranes are revered as symbols of long life, happiness, marital fidelity, and love, all traits that are embodied by these distinctive birds.

Pasted from <http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Crane_(bird)>

I believe symbols of monogamy stem from the fact that man is not a monogamous creature as a whole.

I see no problem with lucid sex when you are in a relationship as long as the dreamer doesn't have a problem with it. It isn't real. Now, if you are having lucid sex and feel like you shouldn't be...then you shouldn't be. It is the same as violence in a dream. If you are committing violent acts, but know it isn't real and aren't bothered by it, its fine (imo). If you are ever bothered/disturbed by something that you are doing in a dream...you should try to avoid doing it. I think that is when one's psyche can be affected.

Originally Posted by KingYoshi

I see no problem with lucid sex when you are in a relationship as long as the dreamer doesn't have a problem with it. It isn't real. Now, if you are having lucid sex and feel like you shouldn't be...then you shouldn't be. It is the same as violence in a dream. If you are committing violent acts, but know it isn't real and aren't bothered by it, its fine (imo). If you are ever bothered/disturbed by something that you are doing in a dream...you should try to avoid doing it. I think that is when one's psyche can be affected.

That's where I would draw the line. Whatever it feels like. Of course, I've not had any partners, so I don't know which way I would feel.

Oh, idea. Make it a threesome and include your partner.

I think if everyone could lucid dream, then every one would have lucid sex once in a while regardless of whether or not they're in a relationship. Obviously talking about it with a partner could create a bit of an upset, but wouldn't the same situation be created if you told them in detail about your sexual fantasies when you touch yourself?

If lucid sex became a substitute for real sex, then you may have a real problem. If it becomes regular (nightly for example) you may be a tad on the addicted side. But personally I think there are so many unique, unearthly experiences instead of sex that I'd like to explore in the dream world.

Just to stimulate debate a bit further - if you believe in shared dreaming, would shared dream sex be worse or the same as lucid dream sex?

Worse, because it is no longer isolated to yourself. Kinda like having sex through a phone call (Don't ask me how that works, I have never understood it myself...), not happening phisically, but it is with another person.

Well I'm a Christian so I believe we should keep our thoughts pure. (Not trying to claim that I always can or do.)

Finally, brothers and sisters, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things.
Philippians 4:8

Sex is a pure animalism.

I'm not trying to bash you, but where do we draw the line of what is pure and what is impure? Now, most of us would probably agree that extreme violence is nowhere near purity.

Sex is a part of life and isn't going away. It's a natural process.

To me, sex with someone other than your husband (or as most people would view it, your significant other) is impure. If people have open relationships though, that's their business lol.

i have had lucid dreams where i had the chance to cheat on my wife and never have i remember one lucid dream where a DC told me " go ahead its just a dream" and i still couldn't do it oh well to each there own

Originally Posted by jed001

i have had lucid dreams where i had the chance to cheat on my wife and never have i remember one lucid dream where a DC told me " go ahead its just a dream" and i still couldn't do it oh well to each there own

If you don't want to do something in a dream, I feel you should refrain, but can you imagine feeling guilty for the rest of your life for thoughts and actions in a dream?