Thread: Be careful of what you wish for

I do not understand. What you say implies that physical existence is very nagative in your perception. Given that, why would never ending consciousness in the non physical world of dreams, which would allow you to create and change a more pleasing existence in dreams be a bad thing. Will your perception of the waking world be equally negative regardless of how good your dream consciousness is? Or if you approach lucid dreaming as a tool for self help, positive experience in dream world ought to enhance perception if physical reality, and the skills of changing dreamworld for the better can translate into skills that can improve our perception and awareness of waking world. While we cannot change the waking world as thoroughly as dream world, we can learn to look at glasses as half full instead of half empty and learn to nip the causes and effects of negative emotions in the bud transforming them into more positive ones. Meta awareness acquired while learning to lucid dream can also teach us a better approach to life outside of dream world. Ignorance and lack of awareness in dream state and waking world alike cannot lead to better results in neither state.

This "physical existence" is what makes lucid dreaming so fun: what fun would it be to be a god all the time? Playing a game always with cheats on gets boring after a while

* Tries to ignore the fact that people keep considering dreams non physical, when they are clearly physical *

Originally Posted by Zoth

This "physical existence" is what makes lucid dreaming so fun: what fun would it be to be a god all the time? Playing a game always with cheats on gets boring after a while

* Tries to ignore the fact that people keep considering dreams non physical, when they are clearly physical *

I like that analogy.

But what do you mean when you say dreams are physical? Do you mean physical in the sense that it is a necessary part to our physical being, like breathing, or in that dreams can be so real that while in it we can experience all the senses (sight, hearing, touch, etc.), or that when woken from a dream it can affect us physically, such as increased heart rate, body temperature, and so on?
Or all or none or some of the above? In either case, I do believe dreams have a profoundly physical (and mental/emotional) affect on most of us.

Be happy with what you have

I have come to enjoy both my waking and dreaming life.
Do you wish you did not know how to lucid dream?

I am God in dream world. I am almost 48 years in this incarnation. I have done everything imaginable. Been lucid since age six. A lie is a lie. Be it a dream or not.

If you believe you have done everything imaginable, then perhaps you are having a crisis of confidence in your imagination. I suggest more reading of books in genres you don't usually read for purposes of inspiration in new directions. You cannot have done everything imaginable, you only could have done everything you have imagined thus far.

Originally Posted by Aneas

So many wish to be lucid dreamers. And i have tried not to dream. Imagine a world where conciousness never ends. And you have to awaken every day to this physical existence. You are the lucky ones. Be happy with what you have.

So what you're saying is, your life has been a constant stream of consciousness for 42 years now. I get that this must get very tiring, in fact I take breaks from lucid dreaming because I find non-lucid sleep more restful. Still, I doubt what you're saying is possible... Remaining constantly conscious for a longer period than a few days, maybe a couple of weeks tops is simply impossible.
Unless I misunderstood what you're saying.

Originally Posted by Mystycal

So what you're saying is, your life has been a constant stream of consciousness for 42 years now. I get that this must get very tiring, in fact I take breaks from lucid dreaming because I find non-lucid sleep more restful. Still, I doubt what you're saying is possible... Remaining constantly conscious for a longer period than a few days, maybe a couple of weeks tops is simply impossible.
Unless I misunderstood what you're saying.

Not impossible. I close my eyes and I wake there. It never stops.

I have taken medication but still didn't stop.

@Mystycal. How do you do it. Trying for years not to dream.

Originally Posted by Aneas

I am God in dream world. I am almost 48 years in this incarnation. I have done everything imaginable. Been lucid since age six. A lie is a lie. Be it a dream or not.

To a God, I can imagine those powers being incredibly boring.
But then in comparison, we're just normal humans with no power
Some are happy to live their lives like that. Others among us wonder what it's like to be God for a day
And for us mere humans, we want to jump at any chance we get.

Originally Posted by Aneas

I close my eyes and I wake there. It never stops.

I have taken medication but still didn't stop.

Are you saying, that everytime you fall asleep, you are lucid? Or only in your dreams? Are you lucid or aware during NREM as well?

Originally Posted by gab

Are you saying, that everytime you fall asleep, you are lucid? Or only in your dreams? Are you lucid or aware during NREM as well?

Yes, always lucid. no Nrem sleep. I close my eyes and I awake.

Hmmm, yes having too many lucid dreams can be somewhat stressful, because you have to expand your awarness' continuity and consider a larger set of memories all the time. But there might be a way to stop or decrease this, if going into unconscious sleep does not work for you. Just sit there in the dream and meditate, either make everything disappear, or just don't pay any attention to it. Acquire total detachment to your dreams if you think you have done everything in them. Watch them just like you would watch clouds go by...

Having too many LDs is not a bad thing, but having anything thrust on you is normally bad seeming. Look at people that naturally LD. They get bored like this guy. But then you have someone like Hukif or Naiya that tries and then gets good at it and they enjoy it more, get better at enjoying it, and accomplish waking life things from inside LDs.

That being said. Would you go to a bunch of poor people complaining about how rich you are? This seems like a mean thing to do. Maybe you don't see it that way, but it is kind of insulting. :/

Goals. Learn how to lose lucidity in a dream. I have done this purposefully. When in an active LD you can easily change your ideas. If you have a lot of control it should be easy.

Originally Posted by Aneas

Yes, always lucid. no Nrem sleep. I close my eyes and I awake.

I wish you would elaborate, because these short answers are not really helping. Like how and when it started, is it like this since childhood, did you ever practice to enhance your LDing skills, did you talk to doctors, what is your theory on this. But only if you want to share, of course, which seems to be the case, since you started this thread.

Most people would be extremely jealous of your situation. I would take your own advice and "Be happy with what you have"

And if it all still remains excruciatingly boring to you, I think the advice of meditating or purposely sleeping in a LD would do the trick. Maybe try stacking the dreams Inception style until you lose awareness. It seems impossible to permanently forget how to slip away into unconsciousness, but if so please teach me your ways!

I feel like you are either lying, or exaggerating. Perhaps you do have constant lucid dreams, but it almost seems like you are doing this as a round about way of bragging. As Zen Master Linji said, “If you meet the Buddha on the road, kill him!”

One who claims constant awareness bordering on enlightenment is a fraud, or has developed a god complex.

No offence but it seems like a thread started so a poster could act mysterious and gain attention.

~Raven

Well, I don't think he claims enlightenment. If I understood correctly the claim of being like a God is not a sign of close to enlightenment but just that he is aware that he can have complete control in dreams and he does: a high level lucidity, I assume. All who are high level lucid are like god in own dream, but that does not imply spiritual enlightenment in any way, just high awareness and high control, right?

And if there is no NREM that would indeed be miserable, and nothing to be envied, but rather a very problematic sleep disorder. We need NREM sleep for rest and both physical and mental health.

Although Tibetan Buddhist monks do claim constant awareness including in NREM sleep, but this sounds different.

@Raven. No bragging, Why would you think that? I dream, always. I was abused as a child and dreaming was how I compensated. Thank you JoannaB for understanding.

@Gab I was taught how to dream.

Originally Posted by Aneas

Yes, always lucid. no Nrem sleep. I close my eyes and I awake.

The ordinary understanding of sleep is that NREM, aka deep sleep, is when the body regenerates, whereas REM sleep does not provide much regeneration for the body. If you never have NREM sleep, then most sleep researchers would be baffled that you are still alive. Since you quite evidently are, then I suggest that you help the sleep researchers work out a better understanding of sleep and regeneration, as they now appear to be very wrong.

Could it be, that you do have NREM sleep, but that you are dreaming through it?

Aneas, sorry to hear about your condition. Have you had some old-fashioned daytime counselling? Maybe confronting your waking issues will help you to control your sleeping ones?

Perhaps some dreaming and sleep professionals can help you in tandem?

I hope you can find some relief.

It is strange that people have a hard time believeing that I always dream. I have a hard time of understanding why you don't.

When I enter the dream there is a feeling. I know I am dreaming. Does that make sense. Certainly you have felt it. Everything is crisp.

The reason why we have trouble understanding why you always dream is because science claims that it is impossible to do so for prolonged periods of time anyway. Have you been in a sleep lab connected with electrodes to machines that monitored your sleep? Also have you done experiments like doing stuff in your sleep that would take you x amount of time in waking life to get a sense of whether you truly do remember enough dreams to account for the full amount of time when you are asleep? Dream scientists claim that an average person dreams about 2 hours out of every 8 hours they are asleep, and this is divided into several separate dreams, with short dreams early at night with lots of NREM sleep early at night which is the sleep that actually gives one the most rest which we need to stay healthy, and the later in the night or morning it is, the longer the dreams get up to about half an hour of uninterrupted dreaming. Now that's what science says about average person. Obviously there are people who are different than average. What you describe though is so different that according to conventional science it should not be possible while still remaining alive or at least without major negative health issues. If you have not already been in a dream study, I suggest you seek one out. So if what you perceive as being true is true, then scientists could learn something new about the very requirements for NREM sleep.

Originally Posted by JoannaB

The reason why we have trouble understanding why you always dream is because science claims that it is impossible to do so for prolonged periods of time anyway.

No, JoannaB, the reason we don't understand why Aneas always dreams is not because of science, reality, common sense, our own experience in dreams and consciousness, or anything else rational. Rather, it is because Aneas has said utterly nothing intelligible, his explanations are more cryptic (or more meaningless) than his posits, and he avoids answering any of your questions with anything but 5 more words filled with nothing but air. This behavior implies that Aneas is either a troll, deeply disturbed (which could be quite true, given his lifetime without REM), or has absolutely no idea what consciousness, dreams, and sleep really are. I'm sort of leaning toward the last choice, but let's ask him one more time:

Aneas:

I read your posts, reread your OP several times, and then read everyone's attempts to fathom what the hell you are talking about. I have an English degree, I am a writer by trade, have some experience with dreams and consciousness, and I too have no idea what you are talking about.

If you can't elaborate with more than another single meaningless sentence, could you at least explain why? Do you have trouble with English? Are you so removed from reality by your condition that your communication skills are impaired? Do you think speaking in unfathomable puzzles makes you seem mysteriously superior to us all (it doesn't) or deep and meaningful (nope, not that either)? Are you indeed just trolling? Or, perhaps, is this a medication issue? You seem to be taxing the time and minds of several thoughtful people here, Aneas; I hope you are not just doing it for your own entertainment.

Also, for what it's worth: to say you imagined everything imaginable is absurd. To say you do not experience NREM sleep but are still alive and sane is absurd. To say you've been conscious all your life is meaningless, since dreams, lucid or not, are a conscious experience for all of us. To say you've been awake since birth is absurd, period; I'm not sure you understand the meaning of "awake;" and if you do, you sure haven't displayed it here. Dreaming is in our DNA; no one, including you, was taught how to do it.

If you can't answer any of these questions or admittedly rude charges, Aneas, I suggest to everyone here to simply unsubscribe from this thread and leave the man be with in his endless wakeful and/or dreaming state and simply unsubscribe from this thread, because we are being trolled.

I hate to ask this, but are you narcoleptic? REM onset sleep is an indicator of narcolepsy.

Anything that someone has that isn't earned is likewise unappreciated, since the effort isn't there. Someone who works on something for a month and succeeds will feel more fulfilled than another person who works on it for five minutes and achieves the same success. The sense of achievement simply isn't there anymore.

To use BrandonBoss's analogy: The poor are oppressed, the dregs of society, but are happy with anything they can get and, and it gradually accumulates through their hard labor. The rich man doesn't know what to do with his money, so he buys drugs, overdoses, and dies.

Here on DV we have the oppressed noobs who try their hardest to have a lucid dream, and end up with very few, but press on, and gradually improved. Then, we have people like you, who are naturals at lucid dreaming, but hate their lives, don't know what to do, tell everyone else that lucid dreaming sucks, and seek an escape from their "stream of consciousness". I don't need to finish this half of the story since I hope you won't commit suicide to end it. That would just be sad.

If you're omnipotent, than something as easy as losing lucidity, fading back into the dream story, should be easy. Just let go, take a back seat, and your body will move on its own, and before you know it, lucidity will be gone, and you'll just be another character in the play.

Sageous, did you leave this thread? Just checking.

This thread in some way reminds me of the knight31 thread, where we also had a lot of questioning about whether he is a troll, how good his English or logic or sanity were, and several of us threatened to leave that thread, and I did a few times, but then kept coming back. And at the end, I am glad I did, not because he was not a troll (he kind of almost admitted to being actually, in that his purpose was to get people to discuss stuff), but we did discuss some interesting stuff there mixed in with some nonsense of course, and then there was a surprise ending - will there be a surprise ending in this thread? The surprise ending in that other thread came about because it turned out that a something that a lot of people (most or all?) had assumed about the original poster, turned out to not be true, and when he finally did explain it, I thought that was worthwhile. So I too am hoping Aneas will explain more, because it is quite likely that our assumptions at this point may be incorrect because we just have a few cryptic remarks thus far.