Thread: How long did it take you to have your first LD?

Originally Posted by Sageous

.only reliable indicator of your transition from wake to sleep to dream during WILD ... is the appearance of the dream itself. ...

As I mentioned I don't have much success with even DEILD but I did have an unusual experience a short while back. Maybe it was some form of WILD or DEILD but it seems a mix of something else. I may have been trying to go to sleep after a long while, or more likely I was in a slight sleep after a dream (but not at dream exit). I found myself aware, in a vague sense of being in a strange state (like when your trying to fall asleep but your mind has wandered), I knew I was lying down (possibly I was just dreaming I was lying down) and their was something of a vague dreamscape around me. It occurred to me just get up and start moving (in this sense it was a bit like VOID survival where in addition to stabilizing I often find it helpful to just begin moving and feeling specifically for door knobs to open a door to a new dreamscape). So without trying to move my real body (in case I was in a light sleep and would suddenly kick awake in bed) I just was thinking get up get up move move, and it worked I was suddenly running thru a dim dreamscape, which eventually got move vivid and in which I was fully lucid and had decent prospective memory and some control. Other than noticing that I was in this strange light sleep state I didn't notice any paralysis etc, tho I was likely already in it. If not some sort of WILD such as Very_Light_Sleep_ILD than surely some sort of DILD such as Barely_Dreaming_ILD perhaps

Vividness varied from dim to darkness to dim to detailed
Stability was not enhanced except possibly thru continued movement LUCID for approximately two and a half minutes

ADDITION:

kamen:

If I were you I would stop trying to WILD and learn to DILD first
here is why for me at least

I don't know about you but when I go to sleep with mantra and then wake up over and over to return to sleep again and again with mantra and finally realize it is time to get up and go to work, or on weekend that I just can't get back to sleep because I have slept way to much to even try, I have failed, but my attitude is Oh well tomorrow or next weekend I'll succeed. Sure if my intention gives me insomnia instead of lucid dream I'm a bit pissed off, but not that much and figure that I'll have more dreams tomorrow, because I'll be tired.

It is entirely different when I try WILD, Failure there leaves me extremely pissed off, while at the same time wanting to laugh at my attempt as I often test the limits of sleep paralysis and break out (the only way to find the line with sleep paralysis is to cross it and I always manage to find the line by unparalyzing myself, both funny and extremely annoying).

Some day perhaps I'll make a serious effort to WILD (where I am either super-tired with hours of sleep, or super rested with tons of sleep and napping), but I think I would take the following approach. Wait for Thursday and then stay up all night don't get any sleep at all (and just in case of failed WILD the next night also keep mind active all night and intensify RC for possible DILD success). Then go to work tired, come home and stay up quite a while with active mind and increased RC then go to sleep late super tired, with no intention setting to wake or mantra, and then Sleep like 4.5 to 5 hours with 2 alarms set like a few minutes apart to not just wake me but B-Slap me awake. Then get up move around etc for like 10+ minutes then make the actual attempt even if I lay their for many hours just maintain consciousness to the bitter end. Then the next day I would get lots of sleep using my usual technique of waking over and over with manta back to sleep, but if no DILD ever came and I reached to point where I just couldn't nap any longer then make the second attempt by laying still for hours and hours in a WILD attempt.

Most likely I would fail to WILD and would be first super tired and pissed off and failed, and then super rested and super pissed and failed. This I why I currently prefer DILD, It is better to have some insomnia or a bunch of non-lucid recalled dreams then to remember wasting 3 hours in discomfort of trying to remain motionless and resist the temptation to break out of sleep paralysis.

If you're just going to bed each night with the hope of a WILD when you first lay down and then waking up 6.5 hours latter well rested with poor dream recall your probably wasting not just your time but your dreams too.