Originally Posted by Crashyy
Who's actually right? Me or that other guy. My youtube name is sorakekairi btw lol. And I'll talk about my bus journey later.
This is taken from: http://www.dreamviews.com/f19/fantas...-method-98062/
There are two very different types of OOBE.
* Astral Projection. This is a whole body projection into an environment that is commonly referred to in new-age writings as the Astral Realm. A strange word to use because it conjures up pre-conceived images of a starry mythical realm filled with beings of astral energy etc. However upon entering it, it’s soon realized that it is more familiar as the landscape or world you encounter when dreaming. But you have entered through the back door, and can objectively investigate and explore it without suffering from the sub-conscious imagery you are normally blinded by or the story-line you are normally wrapped up in when dreaming. Within the ‘Astral’... not even the sky is the limit. This environment, however real it seems may be considered a virtual world that is created by the projector or an actual authentic realm. Upon experiencing it, believing that it is real or fabricated matters not because it is indistinguishable from reality... even surpassing normal reality in quality and ‘reality’.
* 1st Phase OOBE. This is seemingly a projection into this reality, often referred to in new-age philosophy as an ‘ethereal projection’. It is much more difficult to achieve because of the way it is entered; during Sleep Paralysis. Apart from the fact that it takes place in this time and reality, the main difference from AP is that instead of experiencing it in body, you are seemingly a free floating point of conscious awareness. This phase can lead on to 2nd Phase which is again experienced as a free floating consciousness but is not in this reality.
But honestly, you're going to find people say:
- It's the same thing, and then make up some other term to try and define Lucid Dreaming, AP, OBE. (Like in obe4u that calls it "The Phase")
- Some will say that AP/OBE are the same
- Some will say that AP/OBE's are vivid WILDs
You just have to know that when someone like that person states they've been doing it for 10 years, it doesn't mean they're absolutely right. The same goes for you, but that's not implying one side is right and the other is wrong.
It's that when you deal with the paranormal, it's too subjective, so setting a conviction means you're prone to blocking out other truths.
Then it goes into this unnecessary argument between
-experience vs. logic
-non-intellect vs. intellect
-solitude vs. conformity
What matters is that you find something you can believe in, but still keep an open mind, because things with Lucid Dreaming, AP, OBE are going to have extremists from every corner.
Just look into all categories, and make a general summary of each, note similarities and differences, weed out the crummy misinformation you see on the internet and books, or any other source of information, and always continue to having an open mind.
It's not a matter of who's wrong or right, it can't be simplified to such binaries of black and white.
If you want to just call yourself a lucid dreamer, and stick with the practical ideology that it's all in your head, and any talk of AP/OBE is too overwhelming for you, then you have every right to do so.
It does get complicated honestly, when people talk about these things, because no one can make a rationalization as yet, which is good, because until it can be scientifically proven, and basically overcomes all possible falsifiable outcomes, it's something you have to
experience for yourself.
I think there's a difference of AP/OBE, but I won't know that until I try the mechanics to see the difference. I have it at the back of my mind, but I'm always willing to change those ideas if I see something convincing enough that I know is logical for my reality.
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