Thread: WILD Technique, for beginners and before sleep.

Introduction

The WILD technique is infamous to Lucid Dreamers. It has become some what of a complicated concept. I am writing this to offer you a technique which is at its bones a WILD but introduces a method I am sure many use. The benefits of this technique are:

Complete loss of concentration on the physical body.

Powerful fixation.

Working hand and hand with the subconscious.

Less tedious than the original WILD.

Access to the dream scape before falling asleep.

Increased Dream Recall (DR)

Less frequent disturbances such as... Flickering eyes, phantom limbs, feeling of motion and trying to clear the mind.

Now, this is from my experiences however I am sure this method will work with others. If differs from the more well known WILD because instead of ignoring or observing you're fully engaging with the subconscious. I have experimented with this quite a lot recently and it has become so much more promising than the more common WILD.

The way this works is you create a visualized scene in your head which you interact with, then allow your subconscious to use Micro-Sleep mini dreams to interact also with the scene. This eventually allows you to slip into a Lucid Dream effortlessly. The diagram below shows the process which I will explain in more detail through out the rest of this thread.

Relaxation ---- Creation ---- Interaction ---- Partnership ---- Lucidity.



Preparation

If you fall asleep easy then lay in a position you feel slightly uncomfortable with, if you don't sleep well then do the opposite and lay in a comfy position. You will want to attempt this before you sleep. Make sure you're nice and relaxed taking care of any physical matters before hand. Now simply attempt to fall asleep for 30 seconds - 1 minute if you're prone to sleep early and 3-5 minutes if you're completely awake or struggle. This should make you feel a lot more relaxed if not then you need to do some relaxation techniques.

Stage 1 - Creation

You now need to allow yourself to create a scene to use as your base. It needs to be somewhere you're familiar with an know relatively well. I sometimes let random places just flick through my head for example a few nights ago I used the path I knew well getting home from school when I was 15. The creation is the more harder part of this technique it may need some patience. Once you have chosen your creation it is important to have in your head an A to B. "A" being your starting location and "B" being your destination. It needs to be somewhere that has a good amount of distance in between.

Now imagine you're at your starting point and just stand there and look around try to feel the ground beneath your feet. Do NOT go over board if you are a beginner don't try smell the air, feel the wind and so on. Just focus on feeling the ground. At first your visualization will last for a split second you need to do this so you can emerge yourself in the scene. So keep visualizing until you can hold it down for at least a good 10 seconds. You may struggle but it is the same as day dreaming keep telling yourself this. It WILL become easier. You have created.

Stage 2 - Interaction

Now you can hold down the visualization for more than a few seconds, you need to interact with it. Start by either finding objects and holding them, climbing things or simply walking towards your destination "B". For example if you hold an object NOW start feeling it focus on it admire the details of it. If you climb a wall feel the wall and the strain on your body climbing it. If you walk to your destination feel the ground beneath you and keep attention to detail as you update the route you're walking. You have interacted.

Stage 3 - Partnership

This is the easy part. Now lets say you're holding a leave and suddenly you're focusing on it and it is now an apple. You're in a partnership with the subconscious. You need to let it help you interact with your visualization let it guide you. If you're walking towards your destination and notice it has become a huge field full of alien cows, you need to keep walking in that field allowing your subconscious to manipulate it. Do not try change it back to your original environment. You need this partnership to allow you into the desired state. You now have a Partnership.

Stage 4 - Lucidity

Now that you have followed the stages you need to just go with it. Two things are likely to happen. You will either become fully emerged in your visualization lucid. Or you will enter a black void of nothingness fully lucid. If you enter this void you need to visualize a scene to enter it will take you there. You're now Lucid.

Thanks for reading I am confident this will work if you attempt it. So if you do have success please let me know.

Good luck.

Looke (:

I think.... I may have inadvertently used this for my first WILD (back during my stubborn phase). Either way, sounds promising.

Really stupid question, though. Is this for when you first go down to sleep?

Yeah it is, It works most effectively before going to sleep or having to wake up.. It feels more natural for me too

Looke (:

Some nice tips I'll try it tonight.

Good luck

Looke (:

Interesting approach! I find that falling asleep fantasies/visualizations tend to keep me awake, though. Maybe I just need to choose less "stimulating" visualisations .

Interact with the visualizations with more realism, feel more and sense more make it vivid not just a day dream or a fantasy. Allow the subconscious to have its input. Who knows maybe it will flourish with more "stimulation".

Looke (:

Going to try this today, I did a test last night before bed and it seems very promising.

Thanks for the tutorial. very nice

Good luck I am glad it seems fruitful! Make sure to let me know any progression...I feel I can nurture this technique and possibly introduce a proper guide when I have conducted more experiments with it

Looke (:

Definitely will try this out. Sounds like something I did last night... I paired a similar method with WBTB and I could feel my body was asleep because I felt the numbness and HH, but I simply wasn't able to enter my dream, even after constructing one. I think this method should help with that problem. However, do you have any advice for how to know when to enter it? Or does it simply happen naturally with the visualization?

Originally Posted by parkmeats

Definitely will try this out. Sounds like something I did last night... I paired a similar method with WBTB and I could feel my body was asleep because I felt the numbness and HH, but I simply wasn't able to enter my dream, even after constructing one. I think this method should help with that problem. However, do you have any advice for how to know when to enter it? Or does it simply happen naturally with the visualization?

Entering can be a hard task during a traditional WILD. With this technique you simply allow you subconscious to partner up with you IN the visualization. So If for a moment you are walking in New York then suddenly start to see an ocean appear carry on walking into the ocean, this is you partnering with the subconscious allowing its input and stabilizing you, at any moment you could naturally fall in to a Lucid Dream. This could also work with the smallest change like... You notice the sky goes from blue to pink don't attempt to change this just simply allow it to guide you. Does that help?

Looke (:

Ah yes thank you! So this technique essentially eliminates the need to consciously "enter" the dream, and instead seamlessly transports you inside because your visualization and the subconscious dream world partner together. I look forward to giving it a try.

Actually if you keep your visualization up and fluent you will consciously enter it

Looke (:

I had my first (and only WILD) like this. But I did the path from point A to B inside my house. When I arrived to some point, a strange blackness covered me and I appeared in spatial station in the moon. The problem, I think, is the big effort that suposes imagine the visualization.

Visualization becomes more easy as you become drawn into the scene. The first 5 minutes of trying you will often lose your concentration consistently. Keep with it!

Looke (:

I am a beginner, and I actually just made this account so I can ask you a question on your technique. First of all I wanna say that this method seems promising, so I hope it works But fter the first step do I leave my eyes closed? Wouldn't I just fall asleep right away?

It reminds me of the dream lotus and flame technique, and also Tholey's OBE techs. Interesting that you can do it at bedtime. How long did it takes at bedtime ? How many times you do it during the night? After every awakening? Happy lucids

Sounds great!
How is it going - you do get LDs like this yourself, or don't you?
I was a bit confused, when re-reading:

I have experimented with this quite a lot recently and it has become so much more promising than the more common WILD.

Like VagalTone - I'd like to know how you fare with it!

I have had 4 Lucid Dreams last week from it, after trying 5 out 7 nights... I Also Had 1 DILD... and High Dream Recall with 2 - 3 vivid non-lucid dreams. When I said it was seemingly more promising I meant to be used more commonly than the other WILD technique.

So last weeks success rate was 80%. I like this number

Looke (:

Originally Posted by VagalTone

It reminds me of the dream lotus and flame technique, and also Tholey's OBE techs. Interesting that you can do it at bedtime. How long did it takes at bedtime ? How many times you do it during the night? After every awakening? Happy lucids

Apologies to VegalTone sorry I didn't purposely ignore your question, so here come the answers ... It takes around 20-30 minutes usually some times it can be 10-15 minutes. You could use the technique again when you awake however the common WILD it more successful upon awakening. I have done it twice in a night but when I awoke it was more of struggle to maintain the visualization. I think the brilliant thing about this technique is it works better straight from bed. Hope it helps don't hesitate to ask for more info!

Looke (:

I dont know if i can get a good rewarding dream at bedtime. I know some guys do, whether rem or non-rem dreams i'm not sure. So, i think you must be aware that most people don't WILD at bedtime. Maybe that's a myth? Idk, the fact is that most fail or take too long to get to rem. Hope you keep your success rate !

You just need focus... I dream a lot the minute I fall asleep in non-REM and instantly wake up after. I am very aware that WILD seemingly fails a lot before bed. However if you visit an Astral Projection/OBE forum you here many people talk of WILDing/Phasing or the same method but having much more success at bed. I feel people have been put off. The mind is more powerful than hearsay...Just my opinion.

Looke (:

Originally Posted by Looke

You just need focus... I dream a lot the minute I fall asleep in non-REM and instantly wake up after. I am very aware that WILD seemingly fails a lot before bed. However if you visit an Astral Projection/OBE forum you here many people talk of WILDing/Phasing or the same method but having much more success at bed. I feel people have been put off. The mind is more powerful than hearsay...Just my opinion.

Looke (:

I have never been able to WILD from visualization..but that must be cool BTW, how do you rate yourself in terms of attentional stability and visualization vividness? Those would be two important required factors, would you agree?

Your original idea of «partnership» seems very close to what is described in EWOLD regarding the «dream and lotus flame technique»

Observe how the image of the flame in the lotus interacts with other images that arise in your mind. Do not
try to think about, interpret, or concern yourself with any of these images, but, under all circumstances,
continue to maintain your visualization.

And in the original Openness Mind, by Tulku Tarthang, you can find an even richer description of the process. If you can understand spanish ( if not try google translator )

Continúe manteniendo la imagen del loto y de la llama, y observe cómo los pensamientos surgen, y cómo la imagen visual del loto se entrelaza con ellos. Dese cuenta de que esos pensamientos y esas imágenes reflejan sus asociaciones pasadas y presentes y sus proyecciones futuras. Observe este proceso, pero siga concentrándose en el loto, para que su visualización se mantenga clara.
Es posible que otras imágenes sigan surgiendo en su mente, y que sienta que le es imposible liberar la mente de pensamientos, ni siquiera por un minuto. No se preocupe por los pensamientos; simplemente observe todo lo que aparezca. Aunque otras imágenes y pensamientos surjan en la mente, mientras el hilo de la visualización se mantenga intacto, ésta pasará al sueño. Sin embargo, si trata de interpretar o ‘pensar’ acerca de su visualización, romperá el hilo; se creará un vacío entre el estado de sueño y el de vigilia, y su visualización y su estado de consciencia se perderán. Su consciencia se perderá en el sueño, de modo que tenga cuidado: no fuerce la visualización; simplemente deje que tenga lugar, pero continúe concentrándose en el loto.

Edit: This is just to say that your partnership idea has a very good support, not to say that you didn´t have a great and original idea

Originally Posted by Looke

You just need focus... I dream a lot the minute I fall asleep in non-REM and instantly wake up after. I am very aware that WILD seemingly fails a lot before bed. However if you visit an Astral Projection/OBE forum you here many people talk of WILDing/Phasing or the same method but having much more success at bed. I feel people have been put off. The mind is more powerful than hearsay...Just my opinion.

Looke (:

I've always felt there was a lot of potential at bedtime but we are constantly reminded that WILD attempts are futile until we are bordering on REM at 4a.m. I've personally logged hundreds of interesting dreams within the half hour after first falling asleep. I have no clue if they are non-REM dreams or if my cycles are not traditional but about a third of my lucids were early-night DILDs. I've stopped trying WILD at bedtime but I'll try your suggestions and let you know what happens.

Originally Posted by Looke

You just need focus... I dream a lot the minute I fall asleep in non-REM and instantly wake up after. I am very aware that WILD seemingly fails a lot before bed. However if you visit an Astral Projection/OBE forum you here many people talk of WILDing/Phasing or the same method but having much more success at bed. I feel people have been put off. The mind is more powerful than hearsay...Just my opinion.

Looke (:

I don't think sleep cycles are hearsay. If we are all enjoying WILD at bedtime, when exactly are we falling into deep sleep/dreamless sleep? I would be interested to see how many users can have successful bedtime WILDs using this technique; based on personal experience of FAC at bedtime, as well as the science and literature supporting it, I would say the success rate would be rather low.

The technique itself reminds me of Thomas Yuschak's "seeding" technique described in his book and sounds very interesting. But this technique will be much more fruitful practiced on a WBTB, or in the last few hours before waking. Just like any other WILD technique.

I've been trying this a few times when attempting to get back to sleep in the morning and finally started noticing the subconscious-supplied elements. Noticing them however almost always brings me back to alertness/being awake.