^^ Zounds!
Here are a couple of thoughts/comments:
Originally Posted by FryingMan
I had 3 LDs last night, assisted by galantamine and Alpha-GPC.
At 4am I took the supplements, along with a banana and a piece of rye bread for "dreaming fuel" (and to help get the 300mg alpha-gpc capsules down, those things are horse pills!),,,I spent the next 4 hours or so in a brain-busting battle to fall back asleep.
G-mine and that Alpha-GPC mix, plus a banana? Damn. I'm astonished that you managed to sleep at all, ever! Kudos, though, for sticking it out. Do you take any melatonin the night before your attempts? If not, you ought to consider it.
Here's another thought: I don't know about the Alpha-GPC, but G-mine tends to wear off (for me at least, and I have a glacially slow metabolism) after about 4 hours. There is an excellent chance, I think, that all this activity was yours alone, and not influenced by the supplements.
The HI (only blobby shapes and colors) were bursting in front of my eyes like fireworks most the entire time -- if only I could get to sleep I knew those would be awesome dreams.
Probably not. I wouldn't be surprised if that HI represented what was keeping you awake -- namely acetylcholine-drenched nerve activity, with a potassium/sugar kicker from that banana.
My only goal was to get to sleep unconsciously and DILD.
Another thought: If DILD is your goal, just doing MILD at night and skipping the supplements might be enough... maybe a WBTB at most. DILD is by definition sleep-oriented, and threatening that sleep with energizing supplements is not always the best idea. Besides, since DILD's so often follow failed WILD's, why not go for the WILD anyway?
After about 4 hours (having been in bed for 8 hours) awake, both my hips were getting sore and distracting me (I'm a side sleeper), so I decided to try my back (I don't think I've fallen asleep on my back in years, but I was desperate not to have a wasted supplement night)
Could you have discovered your ideal LD sleep position? Hmm... judging from what follows, I'd say yes indeedy.
At one point I think I had a near-WILD. I thought I saw before me a small portion of a concrete floor (I interpreted this to be the floor of a garage), it became a bit clearer, but stayed as within a black frame, which did not extend to fill my vision. I thought about rubbing my hands but it didn't seem that I had any dream hands yet, this vision of the concrete patch of floor stayed about 10 seconds and then faded away. I tried to relax and let it form but it just didn't turn into a dream.
Yep, probably a WILD.
If you have an inkling to rub your hands, do it; don't think about it -- just do it. After all, the discovery that you lack dream hands might serve to amplify your lucidity and generate a bit more of a dream schema (because you would be adding a DC "you" to the picture).
That floor image was interesting -- I've had similar things happen during late-morning/end-of-session LD's. It could be that your dreaming mind just had nothing for you at the moment and was presenting, literally, a blank slate. If you get something like this again -- and you will, try literally standing on that floor, or maybe adding an object to it; and try not to think of it as a small black-framed image and nothing else, because it will fade just as quickly as it did this time. Your dreaming mind may have just needed a little substance, a little nudge (especially after being fried on supplements for the previous 4 hours ).
Later I found myself seated in a room and "felt" the dream feeling, I guess that was a start-of-dream DILD, I later flew through a stunningly beautiful dream landscape.
Cool!
I "woke up from" (transitioned out of) that DILD and was lying in bed on my back in darkness. I was thinking lightly of the awesome scene that ended that DILD, then all of a sudden:
It felt like the foot of my bed was suddenly heaved 5 feet in the air, leaving the bed at a 45 or 60 degree angle with my head pointing down, and that I quickly shot out of my bed head-first on to a steep wide slide: head first (pointing down), on my back, going fast down this slide with no visuals. I was fully conscious and thought this was great fun and wondered when the dream was going to begin.
After maybe 10-15 seconds of this I wondered if this was the dream, or merely a transition and I had to work to make a dream begin. I thought about turning over to my stomach, then I imagined I was in a dark room at the end of the slide, and cut my way out, and began the dream (I lost lucidity or forgot the lucidity, and was non-lucid at the finish of that dream).
Cooler! And an excellent response, I think.
I found myself awake back in bed again on my back, and again in just a few seconds I experienced the SAME transition all over again: foot of bed raised up, I flew out headfirst on my back down the dark tunnel. I do not recall if I simply fell out of the tunnel into the dream or if I willed it, but I found myself in a courtyard and continued lucidly for a minute or so before waking and worked on recalling all 3 LDs and the non-lucid parts.
Also cool!
As best as I can figure the two tunnel experiences were both DEILDs. I have never experienced anything like that and greatly look forward to it happening again as it was a real hoot.
I'm wondering if the tunnel experience was a dream or just a transition (or "noise?"). It's conceivable they were FAs instead of DEILDs and it was all a single long dreaming sequence into and out of lucidity, but looking back it seems most like DEILDs.
I don't think these were DEILD's, because DEILD's tend to be more intentional events. In a sense, you must consciously recognize that you are waking up, and that you are going to go right back "in" to another LD. To have it happen to you as it did does imply a FA, and your quick lucid response shows how well you managed to immediately convert it to a lucid moment ... nice work, and a real sign that your head is truly in the right place.
edit: I remembered: during one of the trips down the slide I very carefully lifted my dream hand to my dream nose and did a nose pinch, both arm and nose felt fairly insubstantial, not solid like in "full dream" -- proof that the tunnel wasn't just "noise?"
Agreed.
And I'm wondering if it's possible to experience all this craziness without galantamine+choline.
It absolutely is... and as I mentioned earlier, this experience be living proof of that.
Thanks for sharing, FryingMan, and it's a pleasure to see a couple of good rushes come your way...
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