Thread: Who started "Lucid Dreaming" & "Dream Control" on their own Naturally?

EricinLA, I think it sound awesome that you try to make shared dreaming work. And as you already said, since lucid dreaming is second nature to you since a long time ago. So yeah why not trying some experiments in it. It's a good thing that there is people who never give up on "impossible" things. Just look at Thomas Edison, he had been doing over 10 000!! experiments, to make the light bulb. I think we should be VERY happy with that there was and are "crazy" people who dosn't give up on things they believe in. I love it!

Hey EricinLA, this is to go off topic here. And maybe my whole post are off topic now I just realized xD But! Have you ever trying to make music in a dream?? I made music from a light blue neon-hologram by stroking my fingers thru it. It was giving away some kind of dubstep-sound. And this tookplace at a parkinglot with some other people. Well I really dont expect a answear to this since this is totally off-topic as said, but... yeah

Originally Posted by DreamyBear

Hey EricinLA, this is to go off topic here. And maybe my whole post are off topic now I just realized xD But! Have you ever trying to make music in a dream?? I made music from a light blue neon-hologram by stroking my fingers thru it. It was giving away some kind of dubstep-sound. And this tookplace at a parkinglot with some other people. Well I really dont expect a answear to this since this is totally off-topic as said, but... yeah

I have never tried to write/create a song. But I know in the past I have been able to play any instrument I want. I wish I could carry that ability back into the real world.

Originally Posted by StephL

This is hard to understand for me - for me to throw overboard all counter-arguments towards the possibility in general - would require me to at least have several occurrences of my own, which defy my rational understanding, if I took them at face value.
I would go further in contemplating, that all experience could be my mind deceiving itself anyway - but something overwhelmingly strange would have to occur to myself for me to be interested so much.

I am totally unimpressed by what I read on sd-experiences on here, too. Mostly without doubting the honesty of the reports - just they lend themselves super-easily to other interpretation. Yeah - and people bragging, too of course - and biasing reports/recall from so much wanting to believe.

Exactly! If there is shared dreaming, then there should be a communication device between humans for dreaming, as well as signals send and received. But that is not the case. Telepathy?...? Really? Something that we created for our own amusement, like a fairy tail.

I think that that placebo effect is common Steph. I know I'm not saying anything helpful, but everyone conquers it, because it is placebo after all. The dream world is from your creation, and it tends to be what you expect, so making it more glamorous is like dream control, and I think you can use affirmations for that. Hope I helped even if just a tiny bit.

Originally Posted by LouaiB

Exactly! If there is shared dreaming, then there should be a communication device between humans for dreaming, as well as signals send and received. But that is not the case. Telepathy?...? Really? Something that we created for our own amusement, like a fairy tail.

I think that that placebo effect is common Steph. I know I'm not saying anything helpful, but everyone conquers it, because it is placebo after all. The dream world is from your creation, and it tends to be what you expect, so making it more glamorous is like dream control, and I think you can use affirmations for that. Hope I helped even if just a tiny bit.

I don't know about that LouaiB. I have woken up from a dream and just known something was wrong with my son who was in the hospital at the time. I went to his room and picked up his pillow and just cried. Somehow, in my sleep I knew something was wrong and that knowing woke me up. A few minutes after I went to his room, the phone rang. It was the hospital nurse and she told me that he was having side effects from the medication and that he would not stop crying for me.There is plenty of documented instances of things like what I described, and it has happened to me more than once, also with other family members. If I could sense that from a dream state, why couldn't two dreamers be able to connect in a dream? I think you are being closed minded here although I agree with you on other things.
I also think the placebo effect is a concern and that true dream experiments regarding DS need to have many controls, but not everything is explainable, still it does not mean that people don't experience things differently than you. Everyone's perception of what is tends to be different, so would the perception of two people sharing the same dream or dream fragment.

Originally Posted by kadie

I don't know about that LouaiB. I have woken up from a dream and just known something was wrong with my son who was in the hospital at the time. I went to his room and picked up his pillow and just cried. Somehow, in my sleep I knew something was wrong and that knowing woke me up. A few minutes after I went to his room, the phone rang. It was the hospital nurse and she told me that he was having side effects from the medication and that he would not stop crying for me.There is plenty of documented instances of things like what I described, and it has happened to me more than once, also with other family members. If I could sense that from a dream state, why couldn't two dreamers be able to connect in a dream? I think you are being closed minded here although I agree with you on other things.
I also think the placebo effect is a concern and that true dream experiments regarding to to have many controls, but not everything is explainable, still it does not mean that people don't experience things differently than you.

Sorry about your son

Well, I don't completely throw shared dreaming out of the window. It's that, with all the shared dreaming experiences, you'd think that by now it would be detected and proven, or it would have a certain mechanism, but sadly no. So I think that these are only "delusions from the mind" or dreaming about shared dreaming. As for telepathy or sixth sense or any similar spiritual thing, I don't believe in them. I mean, if they have impact on us, they have to be detected, because they are being translated to what we can perceive. If we can perceive shared dreaming(it must be something that your brain can understand for it to experience it), then we can use that to lead us to what shared dreaming is, because if our brain is effected by it, then it is an activity that we can measure and trace its origin.

Originally Posted by LouaiB

Sorry about your son

Well, I don't completely throw shared dreaming out of the window. It's that, with all the shared dreaming experiences, you'd think that by now it would be detected and proven, or it would have a certain mechanism, but sadly no. So I think that these are only "delusions from the mind" or dreaming about shared dreaming. As for telepathy or sixth sense or any similar spiritual thing, I don't believe in them. I mean, if they have impact on us, they have to be detected, because they are being translated to what we can perceive. If we can perceive shared dreaming(it must be something that your brain can understand for it to experience it), then we can use that to lead us to what shared dreaming is, because if our brain is effected by it, then it is an activity that we can measure and trace its origin.

There are studies being done. Google it, do some research. Just because you have not heard of it does not mean that studies arent being done and just because you don't believe it's anything but a mind game does not make it so. I used to be more skeptical, but some recent things have changed my mind a little. I'm still a skeptic, but not willing to throw out the possibility. There are some people on this site that are highly intuitive and practice lucid dreaming, AT, RV, MT a lot. With so many people giving energy to these things and gathering here to relate and relay experiences, I would not be at all surprised if shared dreaming occurred.
Have you ever walked down a street or in a restaurant had the feeling that someone is looking at you? You turn around to find someone doing just that...staring or checking you out? That's energy. No one touched, just a look and that energy is palatable. Everyone has experienced it. Have you ever walked into a room after someone has had a heated argument negative vibe, even though you did not witness the argument? That's energy. Everything is energy. So why is psychic type of energy so hard for you to grasp?

Not energy. our brains are highly capable of using any input available to form a picture. You know that when you meet someone new, you automatically form an idea of him unconsciously in the first 10 seconds. That is human psychology and unconsciousness, nothing spiritual. If we have a sixth sense, then it has to have a mechanism to detect input so it can interpret, but no such mechanism is present(if the mechanism is present, then it has to have a partial presence in this "realm", but there is no such presence(by presence in this realm, I mean a physical presence)). About that eye thing, our brain interprets what we see with the side of our eyes that we don't focus on, and it has a schema that there is something wrong about someone staring at you, so you "feel that someone is staring at you.
Also, I am skeptic, but not the idea out the window. I am giving peaces of information and debate for us to get closer to a conclusion maybe, or something useful, or correct a false belief.

Are you really saying that energy is not measurable?

The one that you are speaking of? Has anyone measured it before?

In the last few years I've noticed something when I "Free Dream" which means I just let the dream go where it wants with little or no interference from me. More and more I've noticed I dream about things that come true later. (I don't believe in ESP type phenomena) but it is weird. I have started telling my wife about those type of dreams in the morning and we kind of trip out when it comes true. Makes me wonder if you can dream into the future in some way or is it all just coincidence. I just find too many specific things I've dreams about happening within a few hours, days or weeks away. Any of you have these experiences? I've only had them when I "Free Dream". Too bad I can't get the lottery #'s.

Your LD experiences motivate me to do this for the rest of my life. thank you for your insight

I discovered it by myself as well, however I have not remembered having a lucid dream ever since then. I remember I couldn't believe what I said happened for just a short moment since it was just a section of the dream.

I believe the reason why I have stopped having such intense, creative, half-lucid dreams is because reality has had a more stronger effect on my mind then my imaginary side, hence I can't remember them or they are less fun then my old ones.

I've had 5 or so Lucid Dreams. And from the very first one I was in control. I could choose where I went, do impossible things and controll the environment to some degree.
altough the first 2 dreams were not very stable and clear. but from the third one I've had very clear and stable LD's. They more I LD the better I get at it, just like any other skill I guess.

I would have lucid dreams randomly when I was about 12, and after having a few, I taught myself how to control my dreams when I was lucid. I never taught myself how to have a lucid dream, though, I just controlled the dream whenever it happened and didn't really know you could trigger lucid dreams by doing things throughout the day. I stopped being interested in lucid dreaming for about a year sometime between me being 13 and 14, but I got back into just last year when I turned 15. Since then, I've been having lucid dreams an average of once a week, twice if I'm lucky. Since the beginning of this year, I've been doing a lot more to become lucid more frequently and it's definitely payed off.

Originally Posted by EricinLA

If you found out how to have LD & DC dreams on your own at a early age tell me your stories please.

I wish! I had my first spontaneous, very brief, lucid dream when I was 34. I also find it to be significant work just to have a couple of LDs per month.

I was naturally a self-aware kid. And I had nightmares. Those triggered lucidity for me. Whenever something bad happened in a dream, I'd always be thinking, "Please... this better not be real... oh wait. It isn't. MINDBLOWN." And so I got into the habit of it. : )

So thanks, nightmares!

Actually I "started naturally", I used it mainly for sex But it was extremely short. I could re-enter dreams and have a tiny bit of control. I would get lucid about once a month, but it was really nothing special. I first read about it on world of lucid dreaming but I was and am just too lazy to really get good at it. I should really change that part of me...

Originally Posted by DreamForecast

I was naturally a self-aware kid. And I had nightmares. Those triggered lucidity for me. Whenever something bad happened in a dream, I'd always be thinking, "Please... this better not be real... oh wait. It isn't. MINDBLOWN." And so I got into the habit of it. : )

So thanks, nightmares!

Tha'ts pretty much how i began lucid dreaming as a kid. Nightmares and (FA')s "False Awakenings" Through focusing on the Nightmare itself and realizing it is a nightmare, i began to will myself out of them. Although still i'm unable to manifest lucid dreaming on my own. I've begun to acquire some dream control through (DILD) "Dream Induced Lucid Dreaming". I have no control of the dreams themselves, but i can control myself and what i do in my dreams at best.

I feel like i'm drifting or wandering every time i do this.

When i was younger, I had bad dreams about being chased and unable to get away. I dealt with it by waking myself up, but I never realized that most people couldn’t do this. As time went on, I had actually developed a power of some sorts over the situation. For example say someone is about to harm me in some way. I would say to the person or monster " you cant not hurt me because i can just wake up". Most of the time the situation would dissolve in some sort of wierd way or if need be, i would force myself to wake up. Having said that, this was before i knew anything about lucid dreaming. Also growing up, in my dreams I would aquire things of value and hide them somewhere like upder my pillow. The thinking was that when I woke up, the things would be there. So there had to be a level of awareness, but I just accepted it as normal.

Growing up ( im an old fart now ) I have always had a very good dream recall and always been able to fly. I never question what this was alll about until a little over a year ago when I had a weird dream. It went like this;

I woke up beside my wife in bed totaly unaware that this was a false awakening. I felt strange and things didnt look right. I ask my wife if i was awake and she said "yes of course you are awake, you are talking to me now". I replied that i didnt think i was awake and was dreaming. So I tried to convince her it was a dream by standing up and levitating . I said that look at this, I couldnt do this if i were awake. She accepted it as reality and was unimpressed. Then I looked into the mirror and to my horror, my head was upside down on my shoulders with a horrible disfigured appearance. I said " look at that ". Again, she was unimpressed and considered it as normal. I then awoke for real and my wife was still asleep. The next morning knowing this was not normal, i googled the hell out of "being aware that that you are dreaming" ( didnt even know what it was called ). Well, that was a little over a year ago and after researching and practicing, I started having LDs about once every few weeks to now having them 2-3 nights a week with a majority of them multiple LDs and FAs. I have recently learned to reconize the FAs which as increased my frequency.

I have, as long as I can remember. When I was really small, between lucid dreaming and OBEs, I had a difficult time knowing what was where...what was physical, or non-physical. It took a long time to understand that other people might not really see what I saw, or understand.

I have a friend who said when she was a kid she saw an episode of Blues Clues that said "you can change your dreams!" And she believed it so much that she started changing her dreams, and has had lucidity and dream control ever since.

I posted some of my dreams in my dj. I have been able to ld since I was about 6 and control about 12. I started off with flying and making doors to blank slats to start new whenever I had a nightmare. Later I started messing around with just toying with the dreams that where already generated IE changing the thing that is chasing you into something funny or just change everything around you. I refer the first method as blank slate or partial control and the second example as total control. Partial control just removes you from the scenario so you can control things better where total control lets you control any aspect at any time no matter what it is. If a dream starts heading in a direction that I don't like I will assert a little bit of total control to shift the direction a little. I have been able to use partial control since about 12 and total control since about 16.

Any new people care to share on this subject?

Sure thing.

I had some freaky FAs. Which lead to being afraid of normal dreams.
Upon my first nightmare at 5, in which I became lucid started to pursue "a difference" in dreams/reality in order to control dreams.
From that time onwards, apart from nightmares I couldn't induce a single lucid for the next 8 years, which is when I "entered a dream before falling asleep" and found out about gravity, which would later on become my gravity RC.

Been having several lucids/day ever since, and I don't regret it. Its an awesome journey.