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      If all is one, then we are both the dreamer, the dream, and the dreaming. In other words, these three are separate perspectives of the same reality. We should be able to choose our vantage point freely. In reality, I at least find that rather difficult ... especially when being awake .
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      So ... is this the real universe, or is it just a preliminary study?

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      Hm. Interesting thought. I would think it's the dreamer and the conscious dream. Both one; connected by a thread, but so thin a thread as to create the illusion of separateness.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Voldmer View Post
      If all is one, then we are both the dreamer, the dream, and the dreaming. In other words, these three are separate perspectives of the same reality. We should be able to choose our vantage point freely. In reality, I at least find that rather difficult ... especially when being awake .
      That's exactly it, apparently anyway.

      Science still doesn't have an exact theory on what consciousness is, some say it's just an electrical pattern in the brain but others will say our brain acts a receiver and that consciousness is everywhere - that our brains pick up on the signal like a radio antenna. The latter theory is becoming more popularised and more likely according to latest research discoveries. With this in mind, I think it would be possible to see from a different vantage point because if consciousness is everywhere and your body is merely just picking up on it from a field, then all that's required is to stop believing that consciousness belongs to you, or is individual to you and associating it as confined to your body. You would be trying to recognize the consciousness going on in the background existing everywhere and trying to merge with it, which would be similar to experiencing ego death. Most people feel their conscious mind as existing somewhere centered in their head usually just behind the eyes, but does it really originate or reside there? if you meditate on this and really try to discover the source of your conscious thought and awareness you will have a lot of trouble trying to track its origin.

      If the hermetic principle of correspondence is true (as above so below, as below so above, as within so without, as without so within) then literally you and your physical body is all that exists, everything outside yourself existing in 'reality' is a reflection of what's happening inside you. Science even points at this when they discover that the image you see of reality is entirely constructed within your brain. The words you are reading right now is literally a visual representation going on inside your head and not a true reflection of reality. It's almost like you never really see out your eyes at all, your senses just perceive signals and send them to the brain where it creates a seemingly virtual world that you believe to be reality, or at least an accurate perception of reality. Your physical body is something you feel but also perceive with your eyes, these are all sensory input again. So it goes back to the same thing that all is one, all is self, all is mind, etc.

      Or you know, we could just be stuck inside a simulation or worse.... a brain in vat.
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      On the subject of the scientific investigation of consciousness, I'm particularly interested in the split brain experiment. As I understand it, you can cut the connection between the two hemispheres of the brain, and by doing so, the person who would have before reported to have one consciousness, now has two separate consciousness, neither aware of a discontinuity at the moment of splitting. Theoretically, you could appropriately reconnect those hemispheres and the subject would not feel any discontinuity going from two consciousness to one. Wanting to make even further conjectures, I'd imagine that connecting two people's brains into one functioning neural network would lead to the experience of one consciousness for the two bodies.

      As I understand the investigation, there might be as many consciousness as there are units of networks in the brain. Some parts of the brain might not be aware of what other parts of the brain are aware of. Some we would consider without consciousness, subconscious. But others would be considered conscious such as in the example of split personality.

      What this makes me think is that consciousness is comparable to electricity... as in, it's everywhere, it just needs a closed circuit for it to be set into motion. Some circuits are simple, some may be complex, but only just a circuit/network is required. In this sense, I see all of consciousness as one element of the world. The experience that we (the consciousnesses) are all separate is a natural consequence of the separation of the circuits. If we were connected, we would be one, because after all, we are one. The only separation is our perspective, our point of view from the closed network that has set us into awareness.

      That's what I vibe with at the moment.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Occipitalred View Post
      I'd imagine that connecting two people's brains into one functioning neural network would lead to the experience of one consciousness for the two bodies.
      Great thought!! I am going to contemplate that one!
      So ... is this the real universe, or is it just a preliminary study?

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      Quote Originally Posted by Occipitalred View Post
      What this makes me think is that consciousness is comparable to electricity... as in, it's everywhere, it just needs a closed circuit for it to be set into motion. Some circuits are simple, some may be complex, but only just a circuit/network is required. In this sense, I see all of consciousness as one element of the world. The experience that we (the consciousnesses) are all separate is a natural consequence of the separation of the circuits. If we were connected, we would be one, because after all, we are one. The only separation is our perspective, our point of view from the closed network that has set us into awareness.

      That's what I vibe with at the moment.
      That is actually really smart and makes sense, did you come up with that or hear it somewhere else? I haven't really thought too much about why we are separate or feel separate besides the obvious physical reasons. I've always perceived reality to be an illusion, that something is not quite right about it but can never put my finger on what that is exactly, or why I feel this way. I will have to meditate on this, and I wonder if having an open or closed mind impacts the circuit in any way.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Eonnn View Post
      That is actually really smart and makes sense, did you come up with that or hear it somewhere else? I haven't really thought too much about why we are separate or feel separate besides the obvious physical reasons. I've always perceived reality to be an illusion, that something is not quite right about it but can never put my finger on what that is exactly, or why I feel this way. I will have to meditate on this, and I wonder if having an open or closed mind impacts the circuit in any way.
      Split brain experiments were a common topic brought up in my university courses. It is part of the basics of neuroscience and I did do my Master's in that field (though nothing related to the split brain). We learn this to better understand the workings of the mind, but interestingly, (though not inappropriately), professors only discussed the neurological implications but not the spiritual ones.

      So, I actually found these ideas over the summer in neuroscientist Sam Harris' book: Waking up: a guide to spirituality without religion. There's a few reasons why I disagree with some of his most popular ideas but I really loved this section. I was disappointed there was not more of it. I'm really interested in finding out if more people have written or spoken about this but it seems not many must have. He kind of took a further step from my university courses and discussed the spiritual conclusions. But I think there's so much more to say than what he discussed. I have been meditating over this since.

      I also want to check his references because sometimes popular interpretations of scientific research are way off. For example, it's now accessible to find why the popular interpretation of quantum theory and it's spiritual conclusions are not aligned with the experts' discussions. So, I do want to check that. If Harris' references are in good faith, then it would seem science has some interesting evidence that consciousness is 1. divisible and 2. overlapping! Quite a departure from our traditional idea of the soul as an indivisible unit of consciousness.
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