Thread: End of the Universe

It's just a different kind of existence.

The universe has already been dead and lifeless for far longer than the paltry few years it's held life. You will be very long dead by the time the last living thing dies.

Unless you're like Superman, doomed to never die, drifting the universe endlessly. Or a god. I doubt you are either of these things.

I've been thinking about how conscioussness and time works together. If "you" somehow respawn, it would only take a moment since you don't have any perception of time. It doesn't matter if the universe continues to exist for googol's of years until it finally collapses in on itself and starts the process all over again. I'd like to think it works like that, it's a comforting thought, kinda like religion.

The universe has been "alive" for at least 20% of its existence. And it will still bear life for a long time.

And I don't care about myself, nor humanity, but life in general.

Also, the point is that it will never collapse back on itself for a new spring. This is were my thought started.

Originally Posted by Matte87

If "you" somehow respawn, it would only take a moment

Plus server lag.

This is just the most recent finding, it is of course not the end-all be-all. There's still a whole lot we have to learn about the universe, in general I'd say we still don't really know what will happen that far into the future.

how appropriate that this video just showed up on my youtube front page. It's an interesting viewpoint.
Does the Universe Have a Purpose? feat. Neil deGrasse Tyson - YouTube

The UNIVERSE is a lot bigger than our little spec of a self-contained world whose rules may, therefore, be in microcosm.
So, why would you think the infinite MacroCosmos was designed to have a spring, or to die more than once?
Spring is for the recycling of dying things, and the vastness of the universe is closest to the eternal there can be in the physical world, I guess.

So, I reckon, in conclusion, that the universe's death is so far away because us humans are designed to be that far beyond this physical sphere by then. Our kindergartern.

Originally Posted by Supernova

Plus server lag.

This is just the most recent finding, it is of course not the end-all be-all. There's still a whole lot we have to learn about the universe, in general I'd say we still don't really know what will happen that far into the future.

I completely agree. The universe is far too complex for us to claim we can understand it, yet.
Also, I really like the big crunch theory, that the expansion of the universe eventually reverses and everything merges back into a singularity. And then it happens all over again, it just seems so very natural.

Ok, from what we know so far we can assume that it will expand forever at an ever accelerating rate.
We can like theories all we want, but that's not going to change the most plausible scenario.
Alas, we all try to make ourselves feel better about ultimate death in different ways.

If no big crunch or whatever happens, I am sure life will find a way, like beings surviving in gigantic somethings spacethings or so.

SnowyCat

nice sync

how appropriate that this video just showed up on my youtube front page. It's an interesting viewpoint.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pL5...e_gdata_player

Uploaded by minuitephysics yesterday 28-Nov-2012
(2:35) and already 421,830 views

Very nice sync, SnowyCat.

minutephysics is getting quite popular. Makes me happy.

Just yesterday after reading this thread I happened to turn on the TV an saw a good episode of Through The Wormhole entitled "Will Eternity End?"

Well, if the big bang was caused from that "nothingness" why wouldn't another happen in some eternal process? I wonder if there's a relatively educated answer to that. Makes me kind of sad all of human history might be completely destroyed, but I think I could be content with enjoying it while it lasts.

i think big crunch!!! it goes alllll the way out, then like a rubber band it snaps back and because of so much energy being crushed to a single point, another big bang, and voila: a new universe! or i read an article that said perhaps the universe will have more and more black holes that will get bigger and bigger and eventually the whole universe will be one black hole that will crush in upon itself due to it's absurdly high density. this black hole will then basically explode in a big bang starting a new universe of anti matter. then it all happens again and a new universe comes about that is matter. and so on alternating matter and anti matter. fun stuff. some physicist named Dragan Slavkov Hajdukovic came up with that idea as far as i know, just to give credit where it's due since it's a fairly new theory as opposed to the very old and commonly spoken of "big crunch" theory.

he also has a theory to smash the ridiculously lazy "dark matter" answer to the irregular rotation of galaxies. cool stuff. why is the sky blue? dark matter. why do galaxies rotate irregularly? dark matter. what are black holes? dark matter. what is dark matter? an invisible, undetectable substance that we literally made up and now use to explain EVERYTHING we don't understand about outer space. super annoying. come one!!! hence, i like this guys theories.

big question: is the next universe in the cycle identical to this one? are we typing this in a million aeons and did we type it a million aeons before now? how long has this been going on? the buddha said he tried to look back but couldn't see the beginning. some hindu sages said it's a bubble in an ocean of other universes. physicists say roughly the same. i love when things sync up.

Originally Posted by Dareloth

big question: is the next universe in the cycle identical to this one?

There's no way for us to know, but probably not. How do you know there will be a next universe?

Originally Posted by Woodstock

There's no way for us to know, but probably not. How do you know there will be a next universe?

i don't know a thing! i'm not even convinced solipsism is out as a possibility which would make ALL OF THIS totally irrelevant and we, or rather I, would have to start from square one.

i think these things based on contemporary theories that come from smart fellas in the fields of physics and astronomy. the expanding contracting/cyclical universe theory is one of many and it implies that there will be a next universe. there are others that disagree, some say "big freeze" ie: the universe expands and expands and in doing so loses all of it's energy and becomes utterly cold throughout. there are many many more theories though, that's just a couple.

the expanding/contracting universe theory is close to my heart because i dig ancient indian philosophical ideas about reality and that's one of them and is also shared by modern science.

All the post-singular aliens will meet up at galactic centers and throw ultra-swank parties until the core runs out (though they'd have probably engineered the galaxy to run into some inhabitable galaxy by then, scooping up raw materials for more swank parties).

The End of the Univers (as we know it) is happening here:

http://www.dreamviews.com/f19/dream-...loaded-123389/

So Let's have our own Swank Party Let's Go

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZVo...e_gdata_player

Originally Posted by Abra

All the post-singular aliens will meet up at galactic centers and throw ultra-swank parties until the core runs out (though they'd have probably engineered the galaxy to run into some inhabitable galaxy by then, scooping up raw materials for more swank parties).

This is probably the most likely answer.

The end of the universe doesn't really factor in human's doing crazy stuff. There are several possibilities ranging from traveling to other universes, creating new universes, or perhaps even learning how to separate mater and anti matter out of nothingness.

Originally Posted by citruspsyche

Hey peeps,

So we are now pretty sure that the universe will continue expanding ad infinitum.
It will be cold and unwelcoming for far longer than it's been warm and life-bearing.
It makes me sad to think of this.

So what are your thoughts?

Citruspsyche

Years ago I would video-tape all the cutting-edge evolution and geography TV programs. Then one night as I was dropping-off I said, softly, out loud:

Where are you God? You're not in the past according to these science shows!"

I woke with a stream-of thoughts.

"From the Big Bang til the dark cold end "I" (God) did not exist. So there was no "Eternal Soul" in the Universe. When life evolved it was just soul-less biological machinary. There was no after-life.

But

At Time's End "I" (God) came into being. The instant that the last bit of the very dark, dead, Universe hit "Absolute Zero" Matter offered no more resistance to energy and the "almost" unimaginable happened.

Einstine and string theorists envision "it".

"It" caused infinite energy to explode backwards from beyond the space-time continuum. This energy filled "all" time and "all" space. This energy was "me" (God). I became the Eternally Living-Soul of the Universe.

Nothing can reach (destroy) me cos my birth happened at the dead-end off time (i.e. beyond the space-time continuum). I am all there is, beyond the space-time continuum.

Every thing imagined by the biological machines that lived and died before the universe hit "Absolute Zero" was just empty imaginings. Those imaginings have no power now."

Folks

my avatar (Henry Reeds 15-April-2008 Daily Mandala)

The Daily Mandala: April 2008

Is that Energy (that one true god Our Soul

The proof of this is evident as you look at it then dream.

well maybe this physical plane will end but that's not an end there are other dimensions

*Moved to ED from Lounge