So I just got around to checking up on this forum again and I love how quickly I was attacked for the things people assumed( assuming makes an ass out of U and ME, haha) I was stating. For one to say that someone's direct experience and amount of that experience has nothing to do with how well they understand what they practice as opposed to someone with far less practice? is just stupid. Your example of how well you know computers as opposed to many people who use the computer far more is not a very good example. For instance, someone who uses the email and browses websites hours a day, and someone who spends 2 hours a day learning website design, hacking, or some other much deeper computer skill cannot be compared side by side, because one of them has much deeper experience. So if anything, you make my point even better for me considering the person with much more lucid dreaming experience is also experiencing a much deeper state of the very thing you are speaking of.. EXPERIENCE and PRACTICE by DEFAULT makes someone much better at the very thing they are working on.. wow. its almost like you need someone to teach you your abc's or something... SECOND of all, I HAVE NEVER STATED that one of my opinions was the way it is, or that either of my opinions was a fact, in fact, I cited several different options for how each situation can be seen differently by a variety of people, and how in different situations, certain scenarios, IF THEY WERE POSSIBLE, would be more likely during ramped up states of the mind. A couple of people took the many possible theories I stated, and drew complete conclusions as to what they believed I said. FOR EXAMPLE. I said
"What a dream guide /spirit guide is supposed to be is open to many interpretations... and none of them can be wrong because it is just an interpretation. . ...It also makes sense to me that in this ramped up state of mind, if possible to contact spiritual entities of any kind, this would be the time that window of possibility would be wide open..." and WHITEMOUNTAIN replied "Once you say that the character Hyu met is a spirit living on the dream plane, then you've barred off logical debate. That statement is an opinion/interpretation that, although interesting, is not in any true sense of the word, believable. That is, it may instinctually feel right, or many people may agree with you, but until you offer valid evidence, there's no reason why I should believe that theory over the equally valid one that dreams and their characters are, let's say, the voice of a 2000 year old sand-monster that feeds on the dreams of humans. "
WOW.. Its amazing to me that I even have to explain this but I wrote "What a dream guide /spirit guide is supposed to be is open to many interpretations... and none of them can be wrong because it is just an interpretation" I stated that what a dream guide is supposed to be is OPEN TO MANY INTERPRETATIONS" Meaning that there are many ideas not just one. MANY ideas... then I stated.. "none of them can be wrong because it is just an interpretation." Right, once again, each idea on what these entities are or are not are completely open to interpretation because it is each persons own personal experience so only they can portray that experience to others... so anything beyond that are just opinions from others.... THEN I SAID "It also makes sense to me that in this ramped up state of mind, if possible to contact spiritual entities of any kind, this would be the time that window of possibility would be wide open..." Which is were the statement that I had barred off logical debate was made... really?? Well logically it has been scientifically proven that the brain is in a heightened state during the period of deep rem, the oxygen and blood levels to the brain are doubled and the electrical activity is through the roof.. I DID NOT SAY THAT just because of this you CAN contact spiritual entities, I said that it would make sense that "IF POSSIBLE TO CONTACT SPIRITUAL ENTITIES OF ANY KIND, THIS WOULD BE THE TIME THAT WINDOW OF POSSIBILITY WOULD BE WIDE OPEN", IF POSSIBLE means, maybe possible, maybe not possible and that this statement is leaving it up in the air. Go back through my entire post and show me one place where I said that ONE THING WAS AN EXACT FACT or HOW THINGS ARE BEYOND A REASONABLE doubt. I did not one time, in fact, I intentionally left all possibilities open and talked about different interpretations. Now this is where we go a little farther. IF YOU DO YOUR OWN research, OR ONCE YOUR EXPERIENCE with this forums and with knowing the people of these forums have grown, you will see that having a "dream guide" or Spritual Guide" is a very common thing amongst experienced lucid dreamers.... who knows what these characters really are, because in case I hadnt said it, it is open to interpretation, but they are a common experience. Please do not quote anything I say and make your own conclusions to what I mean, especially when I say that one thing of another is possible or open to some idea, and then you jump on either of those particular options that I stated and declare it as a fact I stated and try to "dubunk" it. Give me a break. Now I know why the beyond dreaming, and deep dreaming forums exists. Its because closed opinions and people who assume they know better than everyone else are not allowed. Thankfully. Lets keep this conversation Civil, and once again Hyu, I am looking forward to reading more about your experiences.
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