Thread: Is OBE a form of Lucid Dreaming or not?

Originally Posted by Ketsuyume

I have to ask people like Vmenge and Oneironaut how many books they've read on OBE/Astral Projection before drawing the conclusions they have.

If you say 0, I can't take you seriously.

Then don't, but...

Originally Posted by Ketsuyume

Some of us have legitimate reasons for believing what we do, but this is one of those things that CAN'T really be proven. You either experience it and understand, or don't. And disbelief in and of itself is a huge detriment to the exploration of altered states of consciousness.

...this makes me not take you or OBEs seriously too, sorry
Not to be offensive or anything but really? I haven't read any books, but I've read some stuff online... still, here's my dilemma: On one hand I have a plausible explanation which can be proven, and on the other hand I have a mystical explanation which cannot be proven.
It's not hard to make a choice

In all seriousness, I didn't make this topic to debate the merits of OBE, I just wanted to find out why I've read some people saying that some methods that people use to obtain OBEs wouldn't work for LDs when from what I had read they where essentially the same thing.

Originally Posted by Ketsuyume

Our own experience is our evidence.

I'm sorry, but this argument really doesn't work. At all.
See, I believe in the pasta god, he comes to me every single day and gives me magically created plates of delightful italian pastries. EVERY. NIGHT. I just can't prove it, but see, it's true! What I experienced is my evidence

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eeh... can a mod close this thread? It's already lived past it's usefulness.