Quote Originally Posted by gab View Post
Would your view of lucid dreaming change, had it not been proven by LaBerge or others? How about if you have been born before it was proven and you would be lucid dreaming then. Would you dismiss your experience just because it was not proven yet?

Was the Earth really flat, just because it was not proven to be round yet?

I guess what I'm trying to say, proving something doesn't make it real. The experiences may be real, wheather they are proven or not. Just practice LDin some more, I'm sure you will have some experiences that will make you think. And you will not care, if some scientist in lab had proved it or not.

Stuff does exist, even before it's proven. We don't know everything, it's possible, that we just didn't invent the machines to test and prove OBEs and APs.

And about separating LDs from other phenomena, so LDs don't get "tainted". That's something only LDer not believing in those other phenomena cares for. Because in eyes of general public, you are in a same looney bin as people who believe in OBEs and AP. Simply because they don't believe in lucid dreaming. So you are doing the same thing - trying to discredit OBEs, while they are trying to discredit LDs.

No offence to anybody, I don't mind if someone believes or not in whatever. It's easy to try and discredit something, that someone has no idea about, because he has not experienced it. Just my opinion, of course.
Of course, it all depends on what you wish to believe.
I rest my case.

I've gone through both beliefs (yet experiencing the same thing), so that is what contributed to such an outlook. In this case, getting into semantics is not constructive.