Quote Originally Posted by sivason View Post
Sure, but it is not all that impressive. I suppose the Buddhists think it is some supreme state. They like the idea of fleeing this realm and attempting to merge back into the unity. Yawn,,, oh sorry. I guess that is a whole separate issue. Try it out, it is a good goal, and certainly interesting. Can you really call it interesting though? When you get there, you are no longer you, so there is no you to be interested.
Just as I suspected! Yea I don't personally believe in the idea that there is an ultimate goal; I don't think that what is called 'enlightenment' is the end. I remember I read this emerald tablet of thoth text once on crystallinks, you've probably read it too ( crystalinks.com/emerald.html ). In it, the author talks about how you will always find your goal fleeting as you approach it, and that even the 'lords of the cycles' are still trying to realize their own goals. But the clear light dream seems like a really cool state to experience at least once, kind of like being aware through an entire night of sleep.

But back to what the topic is about, I didn't realize that those kinds of dreams were nREM. What exactly are HH and HI? Are those terms that are used to describe the sounds and images that you hear and see when you're in that first stage of sleep and about to dream?

How can you tell the difference between REM and nREM, is it just a difference in the vividness of the experience? I know that when I am doing the WBTB WILD thing, it always starts out as everything in the dream being almost transparent and dark, sometimes without much color, almost like trying to watch a channel that your TV didn't receive back in the day. Is that nREM?

That last DJ you shared with the memory consolidation, I almost cringed reading it because I hate being in that state so much. When I was little, my mom used to give me Nyquil sometimes and I was guaranteed to experience something like that every time and it was horrible. I will never take Nyquil again.

There is one dream that I had 5 or 6 years ago that I will never forget and it wasn't quite a REM dream and it wasn't quite what you have described as being nREM. I don't have a DJ so I will just type it here, sorry

I was in my parents house and the sun was just rising over the mountains, I felt like something was strange so I did one of the RCs that I always do (I try to move something with my mind). A table flipped over and I knew. What was really unusual about this particular dream was the vividness. The whole thing was a level of vividness that I have never experienced before or since, it far surpassed what the waking world looks like. I wouldn't even know how to describe the deep richness and beauty of everything. I walked through the window to get outside and there were about 30-40 people in the driveway that came out of nowhere and yelled, "SURPRISE!"

They all started shaking my hand and giving me hugs like they hadn't seen me in years, congratulating me for something that they called a big landmark. I have no idea what the hell they were all so excited about. But I saw a few of these kids that were about 6 years old and wearing roller skates. I somehow knew them very well and was really excited to see them because I felt like I hadn't seen them in forever. They felt like very, very old friends. The leader was a soft, confident, and kind little girl, very much like that little girl in the beginning of the movie UP. She told us all, "C'mon! let's get going". So we all started flying into the sky until we saw a cloud that was filled with golden light, which we then flew into.

At this point I lost lucidity and I don't remember what happened at all. The next part I remember, I was sitting in my childhood room that I grew up in, I was about 6 years old too, and I was blissfully happy and peaceful. There was a soft, warm, golden light shining through a glass door that led outside and I was just sitting in the room, creating something. The dream was still extremely vivid. That little girl then knocked on the glass door and said that it was time to go. I told her that I didn't want to leave, but she tricked me into leaving the room and coming outside. Then she made a big grin, laughed, and said, "C YA!"

Then I woke up.

Sorry this post is so long, is there a name for that kind of dream? or state of dreaming? Do you think it's just regular REM, because it sure didn't feel like it.