Will lucid dreaming become illegal one day ?

**lucidusorbis** · 06-22-2014 04:43 PM

Will lucid dreaming become illegal one day ? , Read this thread and you decide.

Based on the latest studies and rapid advances in lucid dreaming induction technology in less than 5 years lucid dreaming will be as common as Air travel , scientists at Frankfort university managed to induce lucid dreams with a 77% success rate every night, using electrical stimulation of an area in the prefrontal cortex . This sound like good news , but wait , there are totally different dynamics when something becomes a widespread phenomena , surely there was a tribe here and there smoking opium and doing all sort of drugs and no one cared , it was too rare too remote too insignificant to the world since these tribes were largely isolated, but once drugs took off and became a widespread phenomenon everything changed.
For those of you who know i-doser the so called "digital drug" producer , was banned in the UAE since they believe it could induce an altered state of mind .
Although you might get higher listening to music than to i-doser the idea of euphoria elicits an allergic response to the public or at least for government officials, since the world is an often harsh place with far more unpleasant than pleasant stuff, anything that can make someone happy is often abused.
When lucid dreaming goes main stream , all kind of negative behavior will start to surface, people will get hooked on lucid dreaming machines for 16 hours a day like the movie inception since lucid dreaming will appeal as an escape route for many people. The media will emphasize how lucid dreaming could be a way of cheating since sex is risk free and easy in it followed by a report of a divorce caused by lucid dreaming after a wife found out that her husband have sex in lucid dreams , a story here and there of someone who killed someone based on a lucid dream , or how can lucid dreams lead to violence (the media will find a way ) .
The first to ban lucid dreaming would be the Arab world , known for its intolerance and ignorance it will be considered a sin for whatever reason they could come up with , then some right winged legislator in some state will call for its ban since its long term effects is "not well established " he may even say directly that it could be a way of inducing euphoria (as if that's a bad thing) and therefore must be banned.
China and North Korea and other totalitarian regimes would ban it as its a "threat to national security" , schools would search children bags to find any lucid dreaming induction machines because it could be "addictive ".

At the end this Sci-Fi movie i played above is not necessarily what will happen , nevertheless its a possibility.
In the mean time while lets enjoy the day where lucid dreaming is a genuine and rare experience for those searching for a true spiritual reality and haven't been contaminated by the dynamics of main stream society .
Please post your depiction of the public response to lucid dreaming once it become a wide spread phenomena.

UAE call to ban hypnotic music as illegal 'digital drug' | The National
RealClearScience - Researchers Induce Lucid Dreaming with Electrical Brain Stimulation

**AdviceDoc** · 06-22-2014 05:01 PM

I sure hope not. Even if they do, they couldn't really do anything to stop people.

**lucidusorbis** · 06-22-2014 05:04 PM

Originally Posted by AdviceDoc

I sure hope not. Even if they do, they couldn't really do anything to stop people.

Me too i think its crazy if it happened but lucid dreaming make my imagination go wild as you can see

, but no they can do some stuff like ban all forms of lucid aids and lucid dreaming forums and anything they can get there hands on , offcoarse they cant get into your dream lol .

**AdviceDoc** · 06-22-2014 05:46 PM

You're right about being able to ban various physical things. I definitely don't know what will happen in the future, but I do find it unlikely this would happen anytime soon, unless there was some evidence it was unhealthy in some way. As seen with the slow legalization of marijuana, people are starting to realize propaganda is BS most of the time.

Interesting to think about for sure!

**Sivason** · 06-22-2014 07:32 PM

A LD machine would certainly be highly regulated out of fear it may cause brain damage. No one will ever attempt to control good old fashioned LDing.

**MisakaMikoto** · 06-22-2014 08:03 PM

I like this thread

I wonder if we are going to see REMee alike machine soon
When it shows up better buy it fast before lucid machines become illegal

**lucidmats** · 06-22-2014 08:33 PM

I like this thread interesting idea some total recall shit

But i dont think, altough lucid dreaming gained a lot of popularity lately, that it will ever become as big as you describe it. I think most people lack the patience to practice dream control etc. And people are generally freaked out by "esoteric" stuff like lucid dreaming.

**LDman** · 06-22-2014 09:16 PM

Well, as long as there aren't any good induction-machines (I'm not talking about Nova-dream or REMee, these don't work good enough) lucid dream will remain quiet isolated. Many people may try, but many will fail and see lucid dreaming as this small isolated group that they don't care about.

**DarkKiky0** · 06-22-2014 09:28 PM

I'd say if anything became illegal it would be the machine or anything they would use to induce it. LDing is something that just happens, to me at least, so it's not like they can go inside your mind and stop it from happening.

**lucidmats** · 06-22-2014 09:35 PM

Originally Posted by DarkKiky0

I'd say if anything became illegal it would be the machine or anything they would use to induce it. LDing is something that just happens, to me at least, so it's not like they can go inside your mind and stop it from happening.

What if the can? :O badum tzz, jk i think the same way..

**Laurelindo** · 06-22-2014 09:42 PM

I have no idea why people who don't practice lucid dreaming can be so freaked out by the whole phenomenon.
They seem to believe that it is some kind of possession or something.

**lucidusorbis** · 06-22-2014 09:47 PM

Originally Posted by MisakaMikoto

I like this thread

I wonder if we are going to see REMee alike machine soon
When it shows up better buy it fast before lucid machines become illegal

ya man we would better get good at it before it goes viral maybe when it happens we would be lucid dream experts and a new job comes out like what happened with hypnosis , what do you think theyll call us , lucid dream therapists , sounds lame though lol.

**lucidusorbis** · 06-22-2014 09:48 PM

Originally Posted by Laurelindo

Comparing lucid dreaming practice to smoking opium is the stupidest thing I have ever heard in my whole life.

get ready to hear it in the media then , cause i bet you , you will .

**lucidusorbis** · 06-22-2014 09:50 PM

Originally Posted by lucidmats

What if the can? :O badum tzz, jk i think the same way..

Ya if they can they would actually if they could ban pleasure itself they would , so that they make the world a pure terrible experience lol.

**Laurelindo** · 06-22-2014 09:51 PM

Originally Posted by lucidusorbis

get ready to hear it in the media then , cause i bet you , you will .

One would assume that a completely natural state like lucid dreaming should be respected, though.
You don't even need any chemicals to induce lucid dreams, you can get them with your own willpower.

I can understand that people are freaked out by it because it is something they are not familiar with, but making it illegal sounds absolutely pathetic.

**lucidusorbis** · 06-22-2014 09:52 PM

Originally Posted by MisakaMikoto

I like this thread

I wonder if we are going to see REMee alike machine soon
When it shows up better buy it fast before lucid machines become illegal

I think ill give the Aurora headband a chance since its not blind like Remee but rather uses your eeg for guidance , but the real leap forward would be a tDCS based lucid dreaming induction machine .

**lucidusorbis** · 06-22-2014 09:57 PM

Originally Posted by Laurelindo

One would assume that a completely natural state like lucid dreaming should be respected, though.
You don't even need any chemicals to induce lucid dreams, you can get them with your own willpower.

I can understand that people are freaked out by it because it is something they are not familiar with, but making it illegal sounds absolutely pathetic.

That's the point am trying to make , how dysfunctional and pathetic things can look like, what do you think of banning DMT , which is completely natural and is found in almost every food you eat , aint that pathetic , ya it is but its real , lucid dreaming could never be banned but lucid dreaming machines will raise a lot of debate and when that happens lucid dreaming even if natural would be a social taboo .

**lucidusorbis** · 06-22-2014 10:01 PM

Originally Posted by Laurelindo

I have no idea why people who don't practice lucid dreaming can be so freaked out by the whole phenomenon.
They seem to believe that it is some kind of possession or something.

people put the paranormal in one basket so that demons and possessions and black magic and lucid dreaming would be all in one category in most peoples mind. A funny thing to consider is that the church could advise people not to lucid dream cause it could lead to possession , how about that excuse , it will sound nice for a lot of people who are afraid of anything profound .

**lucidusorbis** · 06-22-2014 10:04 PM

Originally Posted by LDman

Well, as long as there aren't any good induction-machines (I'm not talking about Nova-dream or REMee, these don't work good enough) lucid dream will remain quiet isolated. Many people may try, but many will fail and see lucid dreaming as this small isolated group that they don't care about.

Exactly , you nailed it , but my prediction is that indeed we will see lucid dreaming machines with 95 % induction success in less than 5 years given the advance in not only technology but information about what cause lucid dreaming which turned out to be a special part of the brain that get activated while it normally should be asleep.

**Kaiern9** · 06-22-2014 10:08 PM

This is a really interesting thread and idea, it does however, seem unlikely.

**Laurelindo** · 06-22-2014 10:15 PM

I guess that if we had access to machines with 95% induction success rate then it would probably be very tempting to use them very often;
kind of like wanting to play an extremely good video game as often as possible, but even more amazing.

Personally I think anyone who buys a machine like that should prove that they are mentally stable.
It would probably be extremely dangerous for schizophrenic people to use lucid dreaming machines, since those people already have a twisted perpective of reality.

**lucidusorbis** · 06-22-2014 10:36 PM

Originally Posted by Laurelindo

I guess that if we had access to machines with 95% induction success rate then it would probably be very tempting to use them very often;
kind of like wanting to play an extremely good video game as often as possible, but even more amazing.

Personally I think anyone who buys a machine like that should prove that they are mentally stable.
It would probably be extremely dangerous for schizophrenic people to use lucid dreaming machines, since those people already have a twisted perpective of reality.

Ya and am sure epilepsy would be an issue too since it probably could cause seizures, interestingly enough that's exactly what happened when someone with epilepsy had a seizure following using a light and sound machine and the next day the FBI raided the company that manufactures that mind machine although it was clearly stated on the machine cover that it shouldn't be used by anyone with epilepsy but since the government is allergic to anything of that kind they raided the place without thinking that even a TV can trigger a seizure for someone with epilepsy .

**Freda** · 06-23-2014 12:37 AM

This all comes down to the technology. I can't really see a machine that helps induce lucid dreams during normal sleep become very problematic(maybe some psychological effects?) nor controversial. You couldn't really abuse such a machine very much either as it'd share the same constraints as we do already, like only getting a limited amount of sleep(and REM sleep) each day. If, however, the machine could induce REM sleep in addition to natural sleep there would almost certainly be abuse, but the solution to that would probably be banning the machine rather than the lucid dreaming itself. I don't see lucid dreaming as we know it becoming illegal anytime soon(ever).

**MisakaMikoto** · 06-23-2014 04:13 AM

Originally Posted by lucidusorbis

I think ill give the Aurora headband a chance since its not blind like Remee but rather uses your eeg for guidance , but the real leap forward would be a tDCS based lucid dreaming induction machine .

Your post gave me idea of ultimate lucid dreaming machine
It would include few modes
1. tACS 40 HZ Stimulation
2. REM-Detection (With configurable delay after rem begins so machine can make you lucid at specific time)
3. Optional ability for machine to display special lights and play special sounds at choosen time by your configuration

This combination would result in probably around 90% induction rate

I'm assuming the people during experimental tACS stimulation did not have a WBTB
With WBTB induction rate could go even higher

**Hukif** · 06-23-2014 04:59 AM

Question!

How?

Seriously, how? The government will invent a machine that allows them to see your dreams and a very cheap brain-wave-reading-machine and then monitor every citizen of their city to some old-bored man so that they check you aren't becoming lucid? I was LDing for years without anyone knowing, so don't see how it owuld be possible to keep such a law. Maybe discredit or belittle it to make it less popular, but a ban would if at all, just make it all the more appealing and have the opposite effect.

You know how they tried with the crazy guy who had a DJ? I bet they would pick up random people and accuse them of the same, but a ban makes no sense with our current technology. I guess it depends on how cheap it would be to monitor dreamers?