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      Hope you used a condom.
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      What's the point?

      Everything works out in the end, sometimes even badly.


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      Quote Originally Posted by yuppie11975 View Post
      No drunk "I love you guys" received from Dianeva today, we're clearly being neglected
      Isn't that what that was?

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      I need to do some binge eating. I'm underweight due to an inherited medical condition and my doctor says that I need to consume around 2500-3000 calories a day for at least a couple of months, accompanied by regular exercise, to reach the average BMI.
      It would be soo nice to have that problem lol. I'm sure you hear that a lot and I don't mean to be resentful, it is a real problem. But it just seems like having to force yourself to eat because you're too underweight is a better situation to be in than than wanting to eat and having to force yourself not to from fear of gaining it. I suppose if you aren't hungry it might be difficult, but losing wight requires hours of commitment and constant unyielding willpower.

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      STIs for one if she likes to fuck other guys.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Auron View Post
      Well there's this girl who I thought I would become her boyfriend but I guess I was wrong. She told me today that she had a boyfriend. And I felt like a fool. Deep down else where there is some chick who is denying me from whatever simply because I don't meet her standards. I really wish that was the case. Instead of saying "hey what's up" and not hearing a single reply from them days later.....sounds like it has happened in another form.
      I have no idea what I wrote...other than the fact that I sounded pretty pathetic. It's really not that bad.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Dianeva View Post
      This part sound exactly like my parents. They also tell me I spend too much time in my room and don't talk to them enough. I occasionally get sick of their poorly hidden resentment of me for not talking to them, so I'll try to talk to them, but about 95% of the time they'll end up making me feel like shit about something at some point in the conversation. Then when I give up and make obvious attempts to end the conversation, they get mad at me for trying to stop talking to them.

      It doesn't seem to occur to them that this is the reason I don't talk to them much. The few times I've brought up that this is the reason, they get defensive and insist they aren't insulting me at all. My dad is only passive aggressive, so he always has the excuse that he isn't mean at all and it's all in my head, while my mom will do as yours does and shift the subject somehow, completely ignoring my point and getting angry at me for something.
      Sounds like my life too.

      Why do I feel so sorry for insects?
      Because you care about life. My family thinks I'm crazy when I say that.
      It was worse when I was younger; I'd try to save every bug. My brother wanted me to get a wasp from his room a few hours ago. I brought it outside and put it on a bucket lid. Only I didn't realize until I'd already put it there that the lid was filled with a bee-height of water. So I got it out of there and put it on the table, but it was upside down and couldn't turn itself over. I helped it turn over, got a small box with a side missing, cut a hole at the bottom and put it on the wasp so it was in the box. I guess I thought maybe it would be warmer in there or at least protected from the elements so it could recover, even though it probably wouldn't be. I'm an idiot. It's like my stupid kid sympathy brain turns on and I don't even think right, just feel sorry for it and desire to help it. I even start talking to it, saying "you can do it, just stay there til your wings dry and you'll be fine, then you can go back to your hive with the other wasps, don't give up on me now." I also have a feeling that it will die simply from having been submerged in water, since that seems to be the case for other insects.
      A few days ago I found a spider dying in the sink so I tried to save him (yes, I call all animals him or her, "it" seems disrespectful. Maybe I'm just crazy). He couldn't move much and eventually fell down the drain. It was sad.

      I can't seem to convince myself that it's just a stupid insect, I don't think they've even been discovered to have pain receptors and they're likely not conscious at all.
      I don't agree with this. Bugs are probably a lot smarter than most people assume. Bees all have specific jobs and protect the hive. In that way they're a lot like people. And you say they probably aren't conscious? They probably don't wake up thinking "I'm a bee", but I'm sure they know they're alive just as much as animals. They try to stay alive too.
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      Rant/Anti-Rant: I realized today that I've never had a non-French Wine. I was at Trader Joe's and got curious when looking at the Spanish wine section, and I would have bought something then and there but it was before noon so they weren't selling it yet. I'll be going back soon though to get something traditionally Spanish, like Tempranillo. :3 A new adventure today!

      Another Anti-Rant: Trader Joe's totally kicks ass. Picked up so many great snacks there today, I'm pretty much set for a while now.


      Edit: Time for an update.

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      The left one is a Spanish wine and the right one is a German wine, AND it's a sparkling red wine, which I've been hoping to try for ages. Now, which one to open first....
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      One thing I hate about people that say that they aren't bothered by a person's tone, and yet still declare, "You could've used this voice instead."

      How in the actual fuck did you make up a meaning that doesn't relate to tone? THAT IS TONE for damn sake! What is in your head, SHIT?

      My guest thinks I'm trying to order her around, based on how I'm talking. I asked her if any kind of voice I use matters anymore, because she seems to presume that I actually have time to be her commander. Such fucking bullshit. You are useless, you don't even belong in this world, like really. She tries to find meaning in her life, but she just can't.

      I'm sorry, but she's an anomaly, she's just......whenever she realizes she has shit for brains, she uses, "Don't argue with me."

      First, I'm not arguing with you, I just want to know what's this made up word that is essentially "tone" when you stated it's not tone. If tone is the quality of a person's voice, and I'm clearly just tired from the day, so obviously my voice is going to be a bit deeper naturally, how can you assume I'm ordering you around like a child?

      Like really? I'm fucking 19 years old, you're like what.....40 years of age? How do you assume I'm trying to be a big shot. I don't get a thrill from commanding people, it's useless...how can you assume I'm doing that from my voice? I'm not going satanic on you, this is my normal voice.

      This fucking cunt needs to die. This is a petty thing to be concerned about, but when it's done every time she opens that thing she calls a mouth, it irritates me. Like really, you don't make your own fucking dictionary, say it's not tone, then use an example of how I could've used a different quality of voice, which IS fucking tone in the first place....then when I refute your bullshit, suddenly, "Don't argue with me." You're copping out...you're really copping out?

      LOL. Telling you something so basic is arguing with you? Bitch please.

      I don't understand why my relatives try to tell me to respect this amoeba that's sadly called a human being at all. I honestly don't know why, especially with prior convictions contradicting her worth in this reality we call life.

      There's just way too many contradictions, and when it's all being done condescendingly, it's like I'm the one that's doing the wrong thing. Like what the fuck you cunt. Just because I'm trying to explain something to you, (and since it's not my "tone" of voice, when it really fucking is), you shouldn't be bothered by it.

      Contradicting bitch. 6 more days with this nonsense. Like, honestly, it's so difficult building a mental wall between this bitch, because if I don't act "respectful" to them, oooooooh god, are they going to tell my father. Then I won't bother explaining to him, because then he'll think I'm trying to get the last word.

      So gradually, I'll look like the bad guy!

      No man. Just no. I'm not doing anything wrong. I'm not doing any drugs or alcohol, I'm not partying, I'm just doing what I need to do to get this degree done. What more could you want from a relative? Please, I swear to motherfucking god that this bitch will not make me pop a vein.

      I'm not mad at a lot of people, because I'm fortunate not to see their shortcomings consistently, but for her, I pretty much contact her frequently, which means, I can only tolerate a person for so long.

      I constantly have to remind myself, "Just calm down and focus on what's important," which is clearly not her being around here and me getting shit done.

      "Why can't you turn on the fan?" "Are you done now? Can you turn on the fan again?" "Don't tell me to turn on the A/C like I'm your little child..."

      Oh my god, existential nihilism, where are you when I fucking NEED you right now. But nope, I can't do that, can't do existential nihilism at all, because there's another side that will make me feel bad, and then I'll just become depressed just because of what the person did to piss me off.

      If you're not such a little child, why can't you fucking turn on/off the fan yourself? You go to the gym daily, and can't reach the fucking switch for the fan? Really? REALLY? I don't mind turning off the fan, or anything, but when the request is asked so much......there's this thin thread I'm walking on, a VERY thin thread.

      Lol, I know everyone has problems, but that statement itself is not going to be a cure all.

      You know those little bugs that buzz around your ears? How you constantly have to wave your hands around to get them away from you?

      She's never away from me.

      She always comes in at times when I'm most stressful. It's like a curse.


      Anti-Rave:

      6 Days. Just 6 days Link! Just remain passive, and pretend you're dead, and she won't notice you! Oh wait, then she'll call 911 like the dumb bitch that she is.

      Just 6 more days man. 6 Long days of that little bug buzzing around my ears.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Dianeva View Post
      STIs for one if she likes to fuck other guys.
      Of course I use protection I'm just sad.

      Everything works out in the end, sometimes even badly.


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      Up at Applebee's getting my fee meal, but I haven't seen that many vets today. The only convo I've had was with a marine who has probably seen way too muh action to talk about it. It's not a big rant, I just wish I could share a couple of stories with some of my brothers and sisters like I normally do every year.

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      I can't trust anyone around here. It seems impossible. And I have a complete inability to control my emotions. They are way out of hand and I don't know what to do with them anymore. I feel like everyone can see me, like I'm completely open to the world, vulnerable. I feel like a stupid little child who's so far beyond confused.

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      I heard the story of Laika today, and now I'm all... depressed. I'm sure I've heard of it before, but I didn't know much about it until recently. Really sad event.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Suena View Post
      I can't trust anyone around here. It seems impossible. And I have a complete inability to control my emotions. They are way out of hand and I don't know what to do with them anymore. I feel like everyone can see me, like I'm completely open to the world, vulnerable. I feel like a stupid little child who's so far beyond confused.
      Hope you are better soon. Do you think the pregnancy (hormones) is making it worse or did you feel this way before?
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      The hormones definitely are making it worse, but yes, I've been feeling this way for some time.

      Spoiler for long enough for spoiler:
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      Actually my life is quite shit. For the past week I've been having chest pain. On the left side around the heart. It hurts to breath so much and I just have to breath really deeply. I also have to take the bus again tomorrow. And I'm so anxious again omfg. I think I'd rather get cancer and die then doing that. I'm getting more and more panic attacks aswell. And I feel disgusting again because I haven't cut for like maybe 2 months? Not sure though.. Until last night. I actually can't believe I've cut myself again. Like what was I thinking . After that I drank so much alcohol because I didn't want to feel anything anymore. I guess I must have passed out. And I'm starting to have these suicidal thoughts again. I also got like 1000 contacts on skype and EVERYONE sees me as this guy who tried to kill himself. Why am I always feeling like this omg. I actually don't wanna feel anything anymore. Cause I'm feeling really terrible, awfull and pathethic. My looks are shit, so is my personality. The only thing I like about myself is my music taste. Fml ):
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      Quote Originally Posted by Crashyy View Post
      And I'm so anxious again omfg. I think I'd rather get cancer and die then doing that.
      I understand how it feels trying to take the bus again. Though I'm not as anxious as you are, I do admit that I look at the floor on the bus a lot rather than glancing at other people.

      It's just that I don't want to peek at a girl with some strong guy next to her, and piss him off thinking I'm trying to eye-sex his hot girlfriend.

      Just know that taking the bus isn't for people to stare you down and look down on you. They're probably worried about how they look as well, so they'll feel just as awkward as you. So it's not completely a death wish or anything like that if you get on the bus.

      Sure it is awkward having to go in a vehicle with all sorts of people, but just focus on the destination, and just see the people as something to pass the time. They won't do anything to you (excluding worst case scenarios of course), and you'll do just fine.

      You'll get used to it, it's one of the basic transportation here for me, so I don't know how it's used often in your area. But it'll be alright the more you use the bus.

      And I'm starting to have these suicidal thoughts again. I also got like 1000 contacts on skype and EVERYONE sees me as this guy who tried to kill himself. Why am I always feeling like this omg.
      I doubt those people who are online are out to get you and look down on you as the guy who tried to kill himself. Don't worry about what they could be thinking, it's normal. Sometimes when we feel so helpless, it's practical to resort to such negative thinking. You were just more open about it, and thankfully, evolved from it and you're still alive today.

      That's something to be proud of, and maybe those same contacts you have aren't as strong as you are, and just bottle it up. And even if some end up directly telling you they see you as "that guy that wanted to kill himself," just don't worry about them. It's all just talk. Don't let the thoughts overcome you.

      If something negative comes up, just mentally tell yourself "stop!" It may seem obvious, but try it out for a while. If you mentally tell yourself you'll "put it off for later," chances are you'll forget what you thought of, and even if you did, you'll learn from retrospect that it was just a silly thing to worry about.

      It's something I learned from counseling to stop anxiety myself, and it helps out a lot. I'm not perfect in it, in fact, last night, I had a lot of suicidal thoughts myself, but I just used Thought Stopping, and realize that speculating about it isn't going to make things better.

      I actually don't wanna feel anything anymore. Cause I'm feeling really terrible, awful and pathetic. My looks are shit, so is my personality. The only thing I like about myself is my music taste. Fml ):
      Maybe you led yourself to that presumption because of the people around you, I don't know. But it's easy for us to belittle ourselves and really undermine what we have. I know I don't know you as much, since I can only be aware of how you express yourself online here, but I think you're just as normal as the rest of us.

      You go through pains and moments where you just want to give up, but you're trying to overcome them the best way you can. It's tough, but you're trying. It isn't easy to completely stop those bad habits, but you just have to acknowledge those moments when you went back to them, and just focus on seeing how it'll feel in the future if you do it again.

      If you focus on the outcome, and know it'll make you feel bad, and really get into the thought of how negative it would make you feel, you'll get used to realizing that it's a detriment, and not worth whatever temporary drive of satisfaction it gives you.



      I feel like shit at times, a lot, but I always try to acknowledge what I do have, and appreciate those aspects of myself aren't completely lost.


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      He sees it as me hurting the family, as me huritng the kids due to my "emotional problems".
      Quote Originally Posted by Suena View Post
      The hormones definitely are making it worse, but yes, I've been feeling this way for some time.
      Like leaving your dog at the animal shelter because you can no longer care for it, only this is an angry dog.... he doesn't understand.
      Yeah, him trying to argue that you have "emotional problems" is practically useless to endorse any kind of authority towards you.

      Ok. I've got to stop and post. I wonder how scatter brained this post was... damn. should've spent that energy on my paper.
      Hey, at least you released it, if you didn't, you'd probably have a harder time focusing on your paper.

      You're a beautiful woman, I'm so sorry you have to bear with someone that isn't being thoughtful and trying to understand things in your perspective.

      But emotional problems my ass, he's just being a jerk. :/

      He clearly doesn't know this is something that's normal during pregnancy.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Linkzelda View Post
      I understand how it feels trying to take the bus again. Though I'm not as anxious as you are, I do admit that I look at the floor on the bus a lot rather than glancing at other people.

      It's just that I don't want to peek at a girl with some strong guy next to her, and piss him off thinking I'm trying to eye-sex his hot girlfriend.

      Just know that taking the bus isn't for people to stare you down and look down on you. They're probably worried about how they look as well, so they'll feel just as awkward as you. So it's not completely a death wish or anything like that if you get on the bus.

      Sure it is awkward having to go in a vehicle with all sorts of people, but just focus on the destination, and just see the people as something to pass the time. They won't do anything to you (excluding worst case scenarios of course), and you'll do just fine.

      You'll get used to it, it's one of the basic transportation here for me, so I don't know how it's used often in your area. But it'll be alright the more you use the bus.

      I doubt those people who are online are out to get you and look down on you as the guy who tried to kill himself. Don't worry about what they could be thinking, it's normal. Sometimes when we feel so helpless, it's practical to resort to such negative thinking. You were just more open about it, and thankfully, evolved from it and you're still alive today.

      That's something to be proud of, and maybe those same contacts you have aren't as strong as you are, and just bottle it up. And even if some end up directly telling you they see you as "that guy that wanted to kill himself," just don't worry about them. It's all just talk. Don't let the thoughts overcome you.

      If something negative comes up, just mentally tell yourself "stop!" It may seem obvious, but try it out for a while. If you mentally tell yourself you'll "put it off for later," chances are you'll forget what you thought of, and even if you did, you'll learn from retrospect that it was just a silly thing to worry about.

      It's something I learned from counseling to stop anxiety myself, and it helps out a lot. I'm not perfect in it, in fact, last night, I had a lot of suicidal thoughts myself, but I just used Thought Stopping, and realize that speculating about it isn't going to make things better.

      Maybe you led yourself to that presumption because of the people around you, I don't know. But it's easy for us to belittle ourselves and really undermine what we have. I know I don't know you as much, since I can only be aware of how you express yourself online here, but I think you're just as normal as the rest of us.

      You go through pains and moments where you just want to give up, but you're trying to overcome them the best way you can. It's tough, but you're trying. It isn't easy to completely stop those bad habits, but you just have to acknowledge those moments when you went back to them, and just focus on seeing how it'll feel in the future if you do it again.

      If you focus on the outcome, and know it'll make you feel bad, and really get into the thought of how negative it would make you feel, you'll get used to realizing that it's a detriment, and not worth whatever temporary drive of satisfaction it gives you.



      I feel like shit at times, a lot, but I always try to acknowledge what I do have, and appreciate those aspects of myself aren't completely lost.
      Thanks man, that really made me feel better . I don't know how people can take the bus everyday without worrying about it. I gotta take the bus once a week. But I'm afraid of getting picked on, taking the wrong bus, stepping off way to early, standing when there are no seats available anymore and just being looked on. Last time I took the bus I just listened to music which helped me through. But my mum told me not to listen to music cause else they're going to beat me up and steal my headphones and my phone. So that scared the hell outa me . And about the people on skype. Last night I got a message from someone here on dreamviews. Oh yeah, you were the guy who tried to kill himself right? Just that one sentence made me feel really bad even though I didn't tell him. And I only told a few friends what I did, and they basically just told other people and so on. When I started cutting I thought it would be easy just to stop it. But it's actually so addictive like the feeling is awesome. I doubt I could actually just stop it :L. Btw you seem so strong tbh ;o. Can I ask you why did you get counseling? How did it go and what did your parents think about that? You don't have to tell me if you don't want to
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      Quote Originally Posted by Crashyy View Post
      Thanks man, that really made me feel better . I don't know how people can take the bus everyday without worrying about it. I gotta take the bus once a week. But I'm afraid of getting picked on, taking the wrong bus, stepping off way to early, standing when there are no seats available anymore and just being looked on. Last time I took the bus I just listened to music which helped me through. But my mum told me not to listen to music cause else they're going to beat me up and steal my headphones and my phone. So that scared the hell outa me . And about the people on skype. Last night I got a message from someone here on dreamviews. Oh yeah, you were the guy who tried to kill himself right? Just that one sentence made me feel really bad even though I didn't tell him. And I only told a few friends what I did, and they basically just told other people and so on. When I started cutting I thought it would be easy just to stop it. But it's actually so addictive like the feeling is awesome. I doubt I could actually just stop it :L. Btw you seem so strong tbh ;o. Can I ask you why did you get counseling? How did it go and what did your parents think about that? You don't have to tell me if you don't want to
      Whoever that was on skype must have been a right idiot, some people have shit for brains and should just be ignored, I know it's annoying that they're there but you shouldn't have to suffer because some other guy is having a laugh with himself. Good luck ad you always got here to rant about it if anything happens

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      Quote Originally Posted by dutchraptor View Post
      Whoever that was on skype must have been a right idiot, some people have shit for brains and should just be ignored, I know it's annoying that they're there but you shouldn't have to suffer because some other guy is having a laugh with himself. Good luck ad you always got here to rant about it if anything happens
      [11/11/2012 6:40:26 PM] ****** *****: oh
      [11/11/2012 6:40:35 PM] ****** *****: you were gonna kill yourself or something
      [11/11/2012 6:40:36 PM] ****** *****: right?
      [11/11/2012 6:42:34 PM] ****** *****: no offense

      That's what he said. He did say: "No offense though if it was" but ofcourse it annoyed the hell outa me. I didn't tell him though, cause it isn't really his fault, and he said that he was glad I'm still around. So that made it a bit better. And I'm glad I can rant here, otherwise I would just keep everything to myself without telling anyone :L
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      I can see you sleep through your bedroom window. You're killing yourself with lucid dreaming.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Crashyy View Post
      Last night I got a message from someone here on dreamviews. Oh yeah, you were the guy who tried to kill himself right?
      Yeah, dutchraptor is right.


      And people just add the "No offense" extension loosely, and it's hard to obviously tell if they were being earnest and considerate of your feelings. But the way they set it up obviously shows they're being passive about it, and had some kind of half-hearted intention to recollect them so they don't look like a jerk.

      The same I see when someone literally provokes someone, and then they see the person is really hurt, and say "I'm just joking" to justify what they said.



      Can I ask you why did you get counseling? How did it go and what did your parents think about that? You don't have to tell me if you don't want to
      It was something I did for myself, it was part of my tuition, and it was required for this academic probation I'm in. It's just something I had to tolerate, but actually learned something from it. I'm still anxious at times, especially with the Math Exam coming up, but I just have to see things through the end and give it my all.

      My family doesn't know about this. It's more of the student's responsibility. And it's actually getting me to get my ass in gear and really work hard to pass, because if not, I really don't know what I can do if I drop out of college.
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      Crashyy... Suena... I wish I knew what to tell you guys, really. But Link said everything I would have said, and more. I will say this, though, anyone that will kick someone while they're down should be glad I don't know who they are. I hate those sorts of people more than anything else. I really feel like they don't deserve to exist sometimes. They're like... parasites. And I don't even know these people... lucky for them.

      And Link, you are truly awesome for always taking time out of your obviously crazy life to try to cheer people up here. Seriously. I used to read this thread a lot too, but I've been away for weeks. Damn real life getting in the way... My annoying job doesn't even give me time to focus on dreams these days. So... I guess that's my token rant. But really, don't mind me. First-world problems.
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      I have a guitar band concert thingy tomorrow after school. One of the songs is Let it Be and I play the solo. I'm excited, but nervous. I love playing on a stage, but one wrong note will make me feel really bad. My life is actually not too bad right now, I finally know someone who actually cares about a lot of the things I care about and likes similar stuff. I thought he was just a stoner, but he's actually very spiritual and likes astral projection and is trying lucid dreaming.

      Crashyy, I hope your life gets better soon. I'd try to help but I'm not very good at that. The last time I remember trying to help my sister she threw a shoe at me.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Woodstock View Post
      I have a guitar band concert thingy tomorrow after school. One of the songs is Let it Be and I play the solo. I'm excited, but nervous. I love playing on a stage, but one wrong note will make me feel really bad. My life is actually not too bad right now, I finally know someone who actually cares about a lot of the things I care about and likes similar stuff. I thought he was just a stoner, but he's actually very spiritual and likes astral projection and is trying lucid dreaming.

      Crashyy, I hope your life gets better soon. I'd try to help but I'm not very good at that. The last time I remember trying to help my sister she threw a shoe at me.
      Good luck with your solo tomorrow. The audience won't realize it's a mistake unless you act like it was a mistake.

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      My friend called me half an hour ago, shouting and then crying over the phone because apparently he found out that his girlfriend is now with another guy. Being the good friend that I am, I listened to his entire rant in silence. Every now and then I responded with a "hmm" or "yea.." just to make it sound like I was taking his side and that I was actually listening. I mean... he's asking me about relationship stuff; it's not exactly my strong suit. Since we have a class tomorrow morning I know he'll bring this up again, and frankly I don't want to have to go through all this again.

      Advice people?
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      Passing off nonsense as profound wisdom is not an uncommon happening around these parts unfortunately.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Auron View Post
      I have no idea what I wrote...other than the fact that I sounded pretty pathetic. It's really not that bad.
      Don't feel too bad. Pretty much the whole point of this thread is to show off our patheticness.

      Quote Originally Posted by Woodstock View Post
      They probably don't wake up thinking "I'm a bee"
      Neither do most humans, but we still care about them regardless.
      Last edited by ♥Mark; 11-13-2012 at 10:30 AM.
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      Quote Originally Posted by ♥Mark View Post
      Neither do most humans, but we still care about them regardless.
      We know we're humans. Bees probably don't know they're bees.
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