Quote Originally Posted by Nfri View Post
And about dreaming, you still percieve stuff, but the difference is that you don't percieve it from the external world but you percieve things that are happening in your brain intenally. I'm finally starting to grasp what LaBerge was talking about all the time.
You should read up on what dissociative drugs do, and about altered states that you can reach from isolation tanks, and the ganzfeld experiment stuff. It'll allow you some greater insight on the subject. What you said about perceiving a model of reality is correct. The process the brain/mind has for constructing reality is always taking place, but in certain states, memory, cognition, attention, and awareness are affected to such an extent that you don't remember it happening or are unaware that it is. This is why you wind up having dreams when you sleep, and why drugs can cause hallucinations. There are sensory binding circuits, and all this other kinda stuff, but I'm getting pretty off topic. If you want me to link you some information about it, or discuss it more in-depth, PM me or something.

As far as this topic goes, I stand pretty firmly with what I've already said. We can't exist without the universe, we arose within the system, so the system itself cannot depend on our existence in order to exist itself. Our own existence depends on its existence. We are just a fragment of the whole. It defies all logical reasoning to come to the opposite conclusion, at least in my opinion.

Here's an example. Imagine we're all part of a vast ocean of water. Well, to put it correctly, we are all icebergs floating in the ocean. We are made of the very water of the ocean we reside in. If we melt away, does the ocean go away? Even if the icebergs in this example are aware (or believe they are, anyway), and the ocean can only have meaning and be known by the icebergs or something having properties similar to the icebergs (in terms of observing the ocean and everything that comes from it), that says nothing about the ocean's existence, other than the fact that it has to be observed... in order to be observed. Lol.