Quote Originally Posted by Sageous View Post
^^ We don't make up our own reality, Dreamybear, we interpret and define our individual perceptions of reality, based on what is really, physically, there.

Reality carries on with its existence, bearing no regard to how we perceive it. You can believe that the earth is flat with all your being, but you will still be wrong: your belief, no matter how sure, will have utterly no impact on the earth's actual roundness.

In other words, we might -- and certainly do -- create our own perceptual version of reality, but that process has no physical effect on reailty itself... the universe will exist with or without us, and whether or not we are there to notice it.

And, just to stay on topic, the "reality" that we create in our dreams is not the same as the reality we perceive in waking-life. Dreams only reflect reality, and that reflection does not continue after we wake. In dreams we are not creating physical worlds, only images of them.
I understand what you are trying to convey here Sageous, and I havn't read Spocks fully answear yet, but I can feel that you both are going in same direction on the matter of reality. So just to summarize your text a bit here to my understanding of it as a whole. It is quite in line with what most people would agree on when it comes to explaining reality. You say that reality is the physical that of course cant be ignored just by looking away from it. And I agree with that fact, that there is this dense and physical reality. I have never said that I didn't think that was a part of reality. But as far as explaining what reality is, I dont think that there is much value in explain it away with that there happen to be a physical form and that is reality no matter what you believe about it. Because even if the physical world have an huge impact on your form as a human in everything you do. There have to be an "I" responding to that physical realm. The reality exist in you and you exist in reality. There cant be any human who have experienced reality outside their own perception of the reality. So if reality is going to have any meaning to you at all, you need to understand what reality is to you, and not what you in theory can figure out what it probably are.

I do believe that the world and universe will continue to exist to other people after I die, just as much as you believe it to be doing so. So I dont deny that part just because I see reality in a different light now. Reality in my opinion is not more of this than that. Or more real in this way than that way. To say somethin really acurate about reality is to not say anything at all. But since words is all we got for now, we can speculate with in the reality of words that is.

So to summarize my view of what reality is. I would say that reality is what you experience it to be. And that goes before the notion that reality might exist on it's own etc. Because we cant know what is "real" beyound our own peronal experience. So talking about a "reality" beyond our self is just our own view of reality, making up another world view of another "reality" within our own limited reality. I dont think that is wrong in itself, but I do know that it is limiting to the meaningfulness of the word reality.

For most people, the word reality=The physical world/universe. And even though you include dreams/thoughts etc, in to that of course. You will always be limited with your own belief that what is real, have it's deepest answear in the physics of thing. Because that is the basic knowledge of reality if you put the physical as more real than anything else. To my understanding of the word reality=Is. So reality is "nothing and everything" if it is going to be a bit easier understod. And that might seem confusing and making no sense at first. but it makes more sense in the longrun, of getting to "know" what reality is all about.

Spock I will answear you somewhat later, but feel free to question anything in this aswell if you feel like.