Quote Originally Posted by DreamyBear View Post
Yes.. we can assume that it is an actual reality that does exist. But with that way of assumption, there would also be logical to assume that the a dream you just woke up from, have always existed and will stil exist whether you are there to observe it or not. It may be, I dont know. There need to be an "I" in relation to "this" or a "that". Inorder to exist. So saying that there is an reality that exist when there is no "I", Is at best a theory of what "should be".
I will concede that what you say about our ideas on this merely being theories is true, but the fact that something is a "theory" does not determine its probability of being true in and of itself (just because something is a theory doesn't mean it's equally as likely or unlikely as another theory). I disagree with your idea about the dream. As a matter of fact, I don't see how the idea logically follows what we know about reality. Or rather, what I mean to say is that, while it could be true, what we know about reality doesn't immediately suggest that dreams are a form of reality that exists outside of our waking reality, and that they exist whether we are there or not. By what thought process does that idea actually stem from? Just from the fact that what we experience is subjective? It seems more like an idea that you would validate with confirmation bias, knowing that our individual realities are and can only be subjective. It doesn't naturally follow from the idea that there is an objective reality that we all inhabit. Honestly the only way I could see you coming to that conclusion, again, is for you to have had that idea already, and then validate it with confirmation bias.

When you dream, you don't often dream of the exact same place over and over. When you wake up, you (as far as you can tell) always come back to the same place (or relatively the same, it only changes as much as what happens during the time that you slept). It's logical to assume that our subjective waking reality is shared with other people who all, like you, inhabit an "objective reality". It isn't logical to assume that your dreams are physical places that exist somewhere else, and that you somehow happen to be transported to when asleep. They are almost always completely different, and nobody other than you can confirm that where you were, and what happened there actually happened. So, how does it follow that because we live in a shared "objective" reality with others, that our dreams are also realities that exist on their own? I'm genuinely confused about it, I'm not trying to be an asshole or anything, please don't take it that way.


As far as your other responses go, they all stem from the failure of language. Reality, in the terms we are discussing it as, has different meanings. Since we aren't quite agreeing on what those meanings are in all these different contexts, and the dictionary definitions don't do anything to clear this issue up, we all have different ideas about what it should mean, and at this point we're all arguing semantics. It's clear we are saying and agreeing on the same thing (or at least relatively the same thing, close enough that it's a non-issue). Now it's just everybody indirectly arguing about how we should use the words, lol.