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    Athylus Would the universe exist... 01-03-2016, 01:46 AM
    snoop Hmm, didn't see this thread... 01-30-2016, 03:21 PM
    Sageous ^^ That's all very excellent... 01-30-2016, 06:25 PM
    snoop I agree about the dream never... 01-31-2016, 02:25 AM
    Nfri And about dreaming, you still... 03-20-2016, 11:07 PM
    snoop You should read up on what... 03-20-2016, 11:45 PM
    Nfri I'm pretty sure everything... 03-20-2016, 11:05 PM
    TimeDragon97 Why? A dream is a product of... 05-08-2016, 07:10 AM
    DreamyBear I would say yes and no. It... 05-09-2016, 04:48 AM
    Spock Hmmm, I think several... 05-15-2016, 09:06 PM
    DoubleHelix Objective reality exists... 05-15-2016, 09:35 PM
    Spock DoubleHelix, that's a good... 05-15-2016, 10:15 PM
    DreamyBear An "actual reality" is... 05-15-2016, 10:16 PM
    snoop I will concede that what you... 05-17-2016, 03:47 AM
    Spock DreamyBear, you've... 05-15-2016, 10:28 PM
    DreamyBear Sorry Spock, yeah I did kind... 05-16-2016, 04:45 AM
    Sageous ^^ We don't make up our own... 05-16-2016, 05:59 AM
    DreamyBear I understand what you are... 05-16-2016, 05:39 PM
    Spock To say that a... 05-16-2016, 08:03 AM
    DreamyBear Spock and Snoop, I dont... 05-18-2016, 09:49 PM
    snoop Ah, good post, now I see... 05-19-2016, 12:48 AM
    DreamyBear I got to confess that I dont... 05-20-2016, 10:40 PM
    wormholejoys Yes, I believe it would. The... 05-19-2016, 06:41 PM
    Straight John Wheeler, physicist:... 11-06-2016, 04:43 AM
    VagalTone Consciousness can not exist... 11-06-2016, 08:53 PM
    snoop The problem with accepting... 11-09-2016, 06:29 PM
    VagalTone Yeah, thanks for asking. I... 11-13-2016, 06:45 PM
    Straight I mean exactly what I said:... 11-10-2016, 05:23 AM
    snoop Isn't it safer to assume that... 11-10-2016, 08:19 PM
    Sageous ^^ So... if you didn't exist,... 11-10-2016, 06:15 AM
    snoop I like your response, I don't... 11-22-2016, 12:20 AM
    Reverb Just a thought... :dreaming:... 12-05-2016, 04:43 PM
    snoop Those questions make sense. I... 12-06-2016, 01:31 AM
    Reverb Interesting... Ok, lets... 12-06-2016, 05:51 PM
    VagalTone Universe and its observer is... 12-10-2016, 10:23 AM
    1. 05-15-2016 10:28 PM #15
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      DreamyBear, you've essentially ignored my whole argument...

      I repeat again: actual reality =/= what you see as reality

      What you're talking about is just reality from the perspective of your brain based on sensory input your senses collect as well as some biases and shortcuts your brain picked up during your life.
      This is not actual reality. This is your reality. Which is why it's subjective, relative, and is dependent on you.

      The actual reality is not that - it is the thing your reality is based on. I'll just repeat what Sageous already said:
      Why do we assume that something must be real to us in order to be real at all?
      Last edited by Spock; 05-15-2016 at 11:19 PM.
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