Thread: Why WILD is uncertain method

I think you might be making this problem far more complicated than it really is, Nfri

First: Your "wake->any wild technique->hi->rem = wild" formula sounds a lot like a DEILD, which in my opinion also is the best, and easiest, form of WILD -- as long as you are able to recognize your exit from the last dream and dive back in before you wake up, of course. In a sense, doing a DEILD is the solution to your entire problem, so you could have left it there... But DEILD's can be tricky, are often serendipitous, and work best when exiting a LD, so "classic" WILD might be necessary, so:

Yes, WILD's tend to most likely occur at fairly specific periods during your sleep cycle, but it is not all that hard to find your personal sweet spot for when to do WBTB, and how long that WBTB ought to last, both to easily catch that next REM period and to be sure your head is still in a dreamy state when you lie down to WILD. A little trial-and-error experimentation will probably get you to your specific best time to WILD reasonably soon -- and I would highly recommend starting that experimentation after a minimum of 5 hours of sleep when, all charts aside, most people's REM periods tend to be very close together, with minimal NREM "barrier" time.

And yes, Nfri, some of us do say things about timing: If you look at my DVA WILD class, you'll see that its second session is dedicated to timing. I -- and a few others, I've noticed -- have also been mentioning the importance of timing, and finding your own optimum timing, whenever it fits into a conversation. So some of us do understand the importance of timing, and are making an effort to avoid the "lie down and hold still" crap, and some of us do understand that a WILD transition is more about getting your head in the right place at the right time than it is about wiggling your finger or whatever other techniques are being invented these days. So I understand where you're coming from, but I hope that you understand that there are people who understand and try to share the importance of timing; you are not alone in this.

Speaking of crap: As a sort of side note, I'm not quite sure why you are including HI in your formula. Yes, HI can happen, but it also doesn't need to be there for a WILD to succeed. HI is not necessary and certainly not crucial to succeeding at a WILD dive. Looking for or, worse, waiting for HI that might not come can be a real distraction for some, and might not be the best thing to include in your plan. Be prepared for HI (preferably prepared to ignore it), but I suggest you do not make it too important.

tl;dr: Yes, timing matters in WILD, but you can find your WILD sweet spot and optimal WBTB time with a little experimentation. Yes, though sleep cycles can vary, most people seem to be amenable to WILD after about 5 hours of sleep, so that is where your quest for perfect timing should begin. So yes, timing is an important facet to successful WILDing, maybe the most important, but your personal sleep schedule can be learned fairly quickly, if you are willing to fail at a few WILD attempts while you look for your best moment to dive.