Thread: Why do people think that DEILD is hard?

I've found that "knowing" I will have a lucid dream during the night and "acting" that I am a really good lucid dreamer amazing for getting lucids but no matter what I think of when a dream starts to fade, I always wake up (I always RC to check).

I make sure I don't move or open my eyes but I always end up waking up instead of DEILD'ing even if I believe Ill open my eyes to my last dream scene so its not as easy for some people

Ya lol the only time I have attempted a DEILD I've done one, the problem is I can't get myself to remember to do them, it's pretty sick seeing how to the dream forms around you though.

Originally Posted by Icon

I've found that "knowing" I will have a lucid dream during the night and "acting" that I am a really good lucid dreamer amazing for getting lucids but no matter what I think of when a dream starts to fade, I always wake up (I always RC to check).

I make sure I don't move or open my eyes but I always end up waking up instead of DEILD'ing even if I believe Ill open my eyes to my last dream scene so its not as easy for some people

If you think it is not easy, then it is not easy.
If you trust yourself, you'll be doing it in no time.
When chaining dreams, when you concentrate not to move, do you hold your muscles? If yes, then no wonder you didn't have any success. Just relax, and think of the place you want to dream of, nothing else.
Pretend like your asleep, to trick your body to enter another dream.
Kinda like, "Oh it's waking time. Oh but this guy is still not awake, so I better throw in another dream." <--- That's how your subconscious should think.

I think you should say , "Deilding is easy for me" rather than, "Deilding is easy." There's a big difference. I don't buy too much into the "believe it and it will happen" school. I've had LDs when I didn't expect them and at other times I've been absolutely sure - absolutely genuinely 100 percent believed - that I would LD and I haven't. Having lucid dreams isn't easy. Anyone who tells you anything else is either wrong or has a book to sell.

Congrats on the lucids! However, DEILDing isn't as easy as you're making it out to be. Like all techniques, there are people who get it right away and with ease, and people who have a hard time with it. DEILDing does require recall; as with all lucid dreams, DEILDs can be forgotten. I've had lucids that I could only remember the initial burst of awareness/lucidity, or where I was doing a brief stabilization tactic; a few of these were DEILDs.

Confidence is a big part of all LD techniques, but there's more to DEILD than that; more so for some people. For instance, I have to visualize and imagine tactile sensations of the dream I want to go into; if I don't do anything and just lie there, I usually wake right up. Thinking too much of your physical body will snap you out of the attempt. Breathing too quick or hard will also do this.

I'm sorry but you come across as pretty narrow minded to me. "This is easy for me" doesn't equal "This is easy for everyone". I had a really hard time DEILDing until I developed some of my own tricks for it. I'm glad it's working out for you

That's exactly the problem of people.
They think it is hard. If you think it is just simple and easy, it will become simple and easy.
Lucid dreaming is not hard. Get the idea that lucid dreaming is easy and it will become easy.
And don't post around forums that lucid dreaming is "hard". Newcomers (pretty much like me) would believe and lose all hope. Stop spreading it. It's like a disease.

You have to catch yourself before you move or open your eyes, that can be more difficult than it sounds.

I remember when I first went bowling. I'd seen tournaments on the TV. It looked quite an easy game and I believed I would find it easy and I would be good at it. But when it came to it, it was more difficult than I'd realised. I was useless at bowling. My belief (yes, I absolutely believed that I would be good at it) made negligible difference to my performance. Bowling is hard. Lucid dreaming is hard. Get real. If it was easy there'd only be one book about it and there wouldn't be forums like this with countless techniques and hundreds of variations of the techniques. Lucid dreaming IS hard. The majority of people on sites like this will confirm that.

Lucid dreaming takes skill. Nobody said it's impossible.

The way my mind works is that if you tell someone that lucid dreaming is hard it should give them more of a reason to keep trying until they succeed. And when they do it they will be really happy about it.

But if you tell them it's easy, and they don't get a lucid. They will feel like they suck and just quit

Not everyone can "feel" their dreams ending, that's why its tricky.

because people think like this: "Now I am awake ... Now I am at sleep"

better question "Am I???"

they forget that most of the reality they experience on a daily basis is not solid, it`s littered with their expectations and biases

example: If you hate money, and there`s a 100$ bill in front of you, whether you believe me or not, you will not see it or if you see it, you`ll not pick it up out of pride or some other masked negative emotion ... some researcher guys did an experiment on this, while combining this question with a positive/negative perspective of the people


on the other hand, I have this theory that Right-brained people are far more likely to become Lucid Dreamers, then Left-brained people

I mean by that, they focus more on that hemisphere

left-brained: engineer, doctor, anything tehnical, business guy, stock broker

right-brained: actor, musician, graphic designer/painter, somebody who is extremely good at people and allways was and never learned that from anywhere

so just check out the link here:
http://controlmind.info/human-brain/...rain-functions

and notice stuff on the list like:
• Prefer visual instructions with examples
• Follow Eastern thought
• Like to read fantasy and mystery stories
• Like to write fiction
• Fun to dream about things that will probably never happen
• Enjoy making up own drawings and images
• Enjoy creative storytelling
• Prefer to learn through free exploration
• Good at recalling spatial imagery
• Solve problems intuitively
• Dreamer
• philosophical


so if you are a tehnical guy, you should be focusing more on right brain activity and that might get you better results

so try this test to see it
http://www.wherecreativitygoestoscho...ht/rb_test.htm


I am even, that means I use both, most of you are probably left-brained and exercised the other hemisphere wit this stuff, because a right-brain individual would abhor an only text based environments

LDing in general can't be assumed to be hard or easy; these are relative terms. It is a skill and depends on the individual's current habits.

DEILDing requires one to recognize when one is exiting a dream, to stay still, and to concentrate on keeping aware while the next dream is forming. These steps may be easy or hard depending on what a person is currently used to doing. One that already happened to, say, recognize when he just finished a dream would probably pick this technique up more quickly than someone who never remembers dreams and considers his night a 8-hour long block of darkness.

With this in mind, one shouldn't assume something is hard or easy. Take some time yourself to experiment. Be confident in your own abilities, and learn to recognize your specific weaknesses so you can work towards improving them.

DEILDs are similar to WILDs in the way that you are going directly from being awake to being in a dream, but with DEILDs you already have a template to work with. I like to think of it as a WILD is a blank piece of paper, and a DEILD is an outline, like in a coloring book. With WILDs you have to think of a pictures, then outline it, then color it in. With DEILDs, you already have the picture and the outline (AKA: the dream) and you simply have to color it in (fall asleep) Plus, with DEILDs i may already be in SP or not have to go through it at all. With WILDs I often have to slowly fade into SP and that just freaks me out. Personally, i have never successfully had a WILD but i have had dozens of DEILDs.

Originally Posted by pusga

DEILDING IS EASY!!!

How's it going, pusga?

Still finding it easy?

I aggre DEILD is easy, although I cheat xD

Ok I'll bite...

How do you cheat?

Originally Posted by Darkmatters

Ok I'll bite...

How do you cheat?

Hihi I don't use natural awakenings, The alarms from a timer wakes me up and I use that as my oppurtunity to DEILD.

Cool thanks! And wow, that was quick!!!

I think I need to get some kind of timer.

How about everyone speak for themselves and their own experiences, and not for everyone else? It's very arrogant to assume that just because something is easy and works for you, that it should be that easy for everyone. Yes, I find DEILDing to be extremely simple, when it works. But the circumstances also need to be right in order to get it to work. Try DEILDing when you wake at the very end of a REM cycle, oh wait, you can't.

Originally Posted by nina

How about everyone speak for themselves and their own experiences, and not for everyone else? It's very arrogant to assume that just because something is easy and works for you, that it should be that easy for everyone. Yes, I find DEILDing to be extremely simple, when it works. But the circumstances also need to be right in order to get it to work. Try DEILDing when you wake at the very end of a REM cycle, oh wait, you can't.

You are right I'm sorry I am just so excited, because I have found a reliable technique FOR ME. And I just want more people to atleast try it instead of giving up, like I used to do... But I guess it will just be better to shut up, so I will do that Starting now .

I really learned a lot from this tutorial. Frustrated with MILD and WILD, I turned to DEILD. I applied myself as well as I could, logged my efforts and learned by my mistakes, positive about improving my efforts on my next attempt. I applied all my resources - every ounce of intelligence and knowledge gained about LDing from countless tutorials and books. I didn't rely on "blind belief" but instead tried to remain positive and treat every setback as signpost as to where to head with my future efforts Result? Despite a monumental effort, zero DEILDS. But then I read this tutorial and found it it's actually easy. Great!

I was just thinking, if you learnt to deild really well, then hypothetically you could have a lucid every night, right?
provided you weren't at the end of your REM.

I agree with you Deild is the most easy way to have an lucid dream. When I manage to wake up without moving I re-enter my last dream nearly every time.