Thread: New movement free rc idea. I need testers!!!

Originally Posted by Alucinor XIII

It's not that difficult to raise the soft-pallete and cut off the nasal passage. I can do this as a "attempt to breath with mouth closed" RC pretty easily.

Nice to know that your already a pro lol but this should be perfect for those who can only control the parts of the bodily system that allow easy control while dreaming, such as breathing and eye movement. Controlling other parts of the body that are typically paralyzed at this time is a much more advanced ability. The mind can trick most people into thinking they have physically moved something that they have not, such as raising the soft pallet.. So if you think you have, but have not, it will equal an incorrect result when RC'ing. Breathing with force outward, such as blowing, is easy to control even by amateurs, and since there will not be physical force holding the physical lips closed, the flow will easily move through the lips, even if they are closed. This RC requires no motor movement of the body itself, besides the lungs which we easily have full control over.

So for the purpose of this RC, there is no need to complicate things by interjecting advanced skills when the RC itself is already simple lol

mzzkc it all depends on your level of awareness and ability to rationalise within the dream

Originally Posted by your_mum

mzzkc it all depends on your level of awareness and ability to rationalise within the dream

Lawl, wut?

I have no idea which post of mine you're referencing here.

Also, I managed to at least attempt this the other night during an in-dream WILD attempt. For some reason I couldn't figure out how to get the method working properly i.e. I had no idea whether my mouth was really closed or not. Falling back on the nosepinch RC got me lucid in the end.

Originally Posted by Mzzkc

Lawl, wut?

I have no idea which post of mine you're referencing here.

Also, I managed to at least attempt this the other night during an in-dream WILD attempt. For some reason I couldn't figure out how to get the method working properly i.e. I had no idea whether my mouth was really closed or not. Falling back on the nosepinch RC got me lucid in the end.

When I tried it, I folded in my lips to seal my mouth shut. It would look like you had no lips if you tried it while looking in the mirror.

Originally Posted by mikeac

When I tried it, I folded in my lips to seal my mouth shut. It would look like you had no lips if you tried it while looking in the mirror.

Yup, thats kind of what i was doing subconsciously... other times i was just applying a lot of pressure on my lips together and blowing... There is a very clear feeling of having your lips tightly closed and yet somehow not affecting the fact that you can easily blow out them.. its a strange feeling yet a very clear indicator that you are dreaming. Now, speaking a little more on this technique, I had many many awakenings through the night last night and I repeatedly used this method to RC, every time it showed that I was in fact awake, I retested using the 2nd RC and found that it was accurate every time thus far. I did not have any fa or lucidity last night but this RC did work every time I tested it, around 8-9 times to show that I was not dreaming when I woke up..

I also wanted to state that I understand a little more about why this works so well and you can test this yourself now. The nose pinch RC works by pinching your nose closed and attempting to breath in and out of your mouth, if you can breath, in or out, then it is a successful RC and you have been proven lucid. The only argument I have heard against my RC is that if your physical mouth is closed it may not work. This argument in that case would be the same for the nose pinch RC if it had the ability to fail under those circumstances. The part that makes this work is also the fact that you are pushing air outward, it will move past your physical lips even if it has to part them slightly by force.. The other obvious thing is that the nose is unplugged during my rc, therefore one might think you may be breathing out through your nose yet interpreting it as your mouth.. If you try this right now, breathing deeply outward through your mouth, then switch to breathing deeply out your nose midbreath, you will see that there is a full switch between the two.. and that MOST people cannot do both at the same time... when breathing deeply out of your mouth, your nasal passage is fully closed, therefore there is no reason to pinch the nose using my RC. Breathing in and out are different and may not work with this method, because there is possibility of switching back to nasal on the inhale or exhale... so just breathing outward through the mouth in somewhat of a blow with your lips tightly sealed will close the nasal passage intirely and if you are non physical, you can blow easily through your seemingly tightly closed lips. If you are not, your mouth will try to inflate with air lol

plz continue testing this. If this is proven to be reliable, even equally reliable as the Nose pinch, then we have a new incredible MOVEMENT free rc that will not ruin SP or lucidity in the case of a fail..

I'll give it a try

Originally Posted by stonedape

I'll give it a try

Cool.. keep us posted..

I did it this morning and it didn't work (I assume because I breathe through my nose) and so I just went on with the dream.

Make sure you are doing it correctly. There was a little correction needed from the my original post. You are focusing on breathing outward only being sure that your lips are tightly closed. If you can can breath outward even though your mouth is fully closed, then you will be dreaming, confirm by using a second RC. If you cannot breath outward, you are not lucid and your cheeks should swell with air.

I tried this several different ways in my last lucid. I became lucid by using this method, then tried the RC several different ways.
It worked as expected every time on slow semi-forceful exhale. Inhale was very unreliable and when attempting to switch between nose breathing and mouth breathing I was having problems determining if I was breathing out with enough force. When clearly focusing on breathing outward though my mouth, I was able to every time even though my lips were tightly closed. There is no mistaking where I am breathing from when I do it this way. Let me know how further testing goes. Do not use this RC as your only RC until you have used it successfully enough to know it works reliably for you.

i am willing to test this. i have to make it my routine in RL but i will try!

Originally Posted by TomBurnsIsAwake

i am willing to test this. i have to make it my routine in RL but i will try!

Cool Thx

This worked again for me last night. Am I the only one? lol

Managed to try this again last night (during a WILD). Didn't work for me (nose pinch did). I'm guessing it's because my mouth is closed while sleeping.

Originally Posted by Mzzkc

Managed to try this again last night (during a WILD). Didn't work for me (nose pinch did). I'm guessing it's because my mouth is closed while sleeping.

Thats so strange.. even with your mouth closed while sleeping you should be able to blow through your lips if you try.. this may not be 100 percent success but it seems to be working for some.. works for me everytime... maybe more testing will tell for sure..

Btw.. what is your primary method for LD since you have so many?

DILDs, mostly, but I WILD when those are infrequent.

i need more vividness lately.... theres some kind of supplement that can help. would any supplement affect this test?

Originally Posted by TomBurnsIsAwake

i need more vividness lately.... theres some kind of supplement that can help. would any supplement affect this test?

Honestly, this post is about testing a New Movement Free Rc, Not supplements, however, I will answer your question. melatonin is the only supplement I personally use and thats because it is natural. Its naturally a part of the sleeping/waking process already so I don't feel bad using it occasionally to help me sleep earlier..

Its side effect however is vivid dreams. While taking melatonin, you typically wont enter REM at all until much much later in the night.. and at the end of your sleep cycle your REM will be stronger and longer lasting, hence, giving the opportunity for much more vivid lds. Works for me. But do not take something like this nightly, as it (might) take away from your natural ability to fall asleep as well..

For more information, go to the lucid aids section.

I may have slightly misunderstood your question, but I do not see why a supplement would effect this test.

i think that the vividness is vividness of all senses, therefore the more i or anyone who cant seem to get this to work would feel their mouth more?
i suppose anyway... just curious if it would help while testing this technique, sorry if its off topic tho=O my bad

Tested out the new blow test RC on my WILD attempt just the other day. It confirmed I was awake. I don't know if that helps you or not, really

Okay I'm a bit of a noob so please feel free to point out any horrendous mistakes I make with this suggestion. But this sort of dilemma occurred to me last night as I was trying to get to sleep, but I realised that when sleeping my tongue is just touching my teeth. Therefore I tried to confirm a FA by biting down on my tongue to see if I felt pain or not.

Pain is one of those things that can be replicated in a dream. Anything that can be replicated can also fail in a dream or pass based on the dream itself or your belief of whether it will or wont lol.. You can mostly only rely on bodily rcs that most likely would not fail or pass based on what is really going on physically and nonphysically.. such as being able to "physically blow" past your "nonphysical closed lips". Or breath "physically" though your "nonphysically closed off mouth and nose". Breathing is the most reliable because we can control it, and do control it the same, whether we are dreaming, or not dreaming, and in both of these states we can consciously control it.

Just thought I would update you on my experiences with the blow through RC method.
Since my last post I have had two lucids in which I decided to re test this RC, to see if it
still worked.

On both nights I found that breathing normally through closed lips worked fine every time for me.
Surprisingly for some reason if I blew really hard against my lips the technique failed.

I am really pleased with this RC and will be using it as my main RC.

Originally Posted by DREAMER242000

Just thought I would update you on my experiences with the blow through RC method.
Since my last post I have had two lucids in which I decided to re test this RC, to see if it
still worked.

On both nights I found that breathing normally through closed lips worked fine every time for me.
Surprisingly for some reason if I blew really hard against my lips the technique failed.

I am really pleased with this RC and will be using it as my main RC.

Awesome. This is definitely good news I have determined that blowing outward hard seems to have a couple undesirable effects so breathing out normally through closed lips seems to be the way to go...

Been incorporating this into my regular RC routine..haven't had the chance to test in an LD yet but I love the idea of it, definitely the easiest and most discreet RC to do. I'll let ya know how it goes next time I'm lucid