Thread: New movement free rc idea. I need testers!!!

Well I'll try this out for sure. I'm trying to keep an average of two lucids a week this month. I've only been trying to MILD and WILD so adding DILD will most likely make my chances go way up. Also don't use force when doing the check or you will have sore cheeks. Simply having them inflate should be enough of a sign. Also like Atkins said doing something that could kill you right after a failed RC isn't your best bet.

EDIT: Mzzkc really? Maybe I need to start jumping out windows?

Originally Posted by Zebrah

Well I'll try this out for sure. I'm trying to keep an average of two lucids a week this month. I've only been trying to MILD and WILD so adding DILD will most likely make my chances go way up. Also don't use force when doing the check or you will have sore cheeks. Simply having them inflate should be enough of a sign. Also like Atkins said doing something that could kill you right after a failed RC isn't your best bet.

EDIT: Mzzkc really? Maybe I need to start jumping out windows?

Call me Crazy, but I think he may have been joking lol

Originally Posted by atkins513

Call me Crazy, but I think he may have been joking lol

Call me crazy but I was joking XD

Originally Posted by Zebrah

Call me crazy but I was joking XD

LoL.. I know... hopefully in the morning I can use this method again... I really need to have more LDs pronto lol

Originally Posted by atkins513

LoL.. I know... hopefully in the morning I can use this method again... I really need to have more LDs pronto lol

Yeah this year I want to do way better with lucid dreaming. Hopefully this RC holds up in my dreams. I'll be sure to post any experiences I have with the reality check.

I've tried holding my breath in a lucid and I could so... This might not fail in a dream.

No worries, I would never jump out of a window if i was really awake. I'm sure that i was using faulty dream logic or something.

I didn't get the chance to try the new rc last night. Hopefully i'll be able to get a chance tonight.

Originally Posted by atkins513

Call me Crazy, but I think he may have been joking lol

I think I'm the crazy one because I was completely serious. XP

Also willing to try this when I get my next LD, can't do anything wrong with it anyway And oh, I LOVE jumping off of and out of things! But only after being sure I'm dreaming... Or with a parachute in waking life ofcourse

I used the new rc last night. It worked just like it was supposed to except for one problem. Before i tried to blow through my closed lips, i thought that i should blow really hard just to be sure that i blew my physical lips open. It did work, but it destabilized my dream until it collapsed a few seconds later. I believe the reason for this is that i blew too hard. I guess this should be obvious, but it didn't occur to me at the time. Any dramatic change in breathing is likely to wake you up. Just like it will help bring you out of sp (although i try to use sp to WILD now). Anyway, the point is that it worked for me. Just blow out with sufficient force not excessive force.

Originally Posted by dark_grimmjow

I used the new rc last night. It worked just like it was supposed to except for one problem. Before i tried to blow through my closed lips, i thought that i should blow really hard just to be sure that i blew my physical lips open. It did work, but it destabilized my dream until it collapsed a few seconds later. I believe the reason for this is that i blew too hard. I guess this should be obvious, but it didn't occur to me at the time. Any dramatic change in breathing is likely to wake you up. Just like it will help bring you out of sp (although i try to use sp to WILD now). Anyway, the point is that it worked for me. Just blow out with sufficient force not excessive force.

I had a feeling that this would be the only needed warning with this. Because blowing very hard would vibrate your lips and or, create a lot of noise, thus destabilizing the dream due to not only outside influence, but also due to change in breathing. Thats why you should create enough outward force to push through your lips but not to create disruption. Should be pretty easy to use also, as long as you dont blow hard, as you had said previously.

Wow. This worked again for me tonight... It was an incredible feeling. I double checked with a second RC but the first has been accurate every-time i used it. has anyone else tried this yet? It has been confirmed working 2x by me and once by dark_grimmjow. Anyone else?

Last night i was having a lengthy lucid dream at one stage while lucid i was walking towards a large marquee when i recalled
this topic so i closed my lips and breathed out it worked every time i tried it which was at least eight times..

During the last two days i have been using this as my latest reality check when i am out and about, i am very
pleased with this method and will be using it from now on as my main reality check.

Thanks Atkins for putting me onto such a easy and effective reality check.

I'm still working on it but haven't done it in a dream yet. It is so convenient and inconspicuous. If this works for me I'm going love you Atkins XD

It worked. I tried it out last night in a dream. It's in my DJ.

Yay So it's looking like I may have created a new (reliable) Movement Free Reality Check? Can we Call it ..... something along the lines of the "blow through"?

That's a pretty good idea; I might have to try this sometime.

Edit: As for the name... The mouth-breathing RC perhaps? n.n

Originally Posted by Puffin

That's a pretty good idea; I might have to try this sometime.

Edit: As for the name... The mouth-breathing RC perhaps? n.n

Ya, except for the breathing part, because its blowing not attempting to breath, attempting to breath would cause this RC to fail everytime..
blowing through the closed mouth is the part that makes it work, breathing would be re-directed autonomously through the nose if it failed through the mouth.. in or out.. blowing is much different as far as how the throat closes the nasal passage ,and that it can push through the lips outward, but not as likely inward as a sucking. Hope that made sense lol

It's not that difficult to raise the soft-pallete and cut off the nasal passage. I can do this as a "attempt to breath with mouth closed" RC pretty easily.

Originally Posted by Alucinor XIII

It's not that difficult to raise the soft-pallete and cut off the nasal passage. I can do this as a "attempt to breath with mouth closed" RC pretty easily.

Nice to know that your already a pro lol but this should be perfect for those who can only control the parts of the bodily system that allow easy control while dreaming, such as breathing and eye movement. Controlling other parts of the body that are typically paralyzed at this time is a much more advanced ability. The mind can trick most people into thinking they have physically moved something that they have not, such as raising the soft pallet.. So if you think you have, but have not, it will equal an incorrect result when RC'ing. Breathing with force outward, such as blowing, is easy to control even by amateurs, and since there will not be physical force holding the physical lips closed, the flow will easily move through the lips, even if they are closed. This RC requires no motor movement of the body itself, besides the lungs which we easily have full control over.

So for the purpose of this RC, there is no need to complicate things by interjecting advanced skills when the RC itself is already simple lol

mzzkc it all depends on your level of awareness and ability to rationalise within the dream

Originally Posted by your_mum

mzzkc it all depends on your level of awareness and ability to rationalise within the dream

Lawl, wut?

I have no idea which post of mine you're referencing here.

Also, I managed to at least attempt this the other night during an in-dream WILD attempt. For some reason I couldn't figure out how to get the method working properly i.e. I had no idea whether my mouth was really closed or not. Falling back on the nosepinch RC got me lucid in the end.

Originally Posted by Mzzkc

Lawl, wut?

I have no idea which post of mine you're referencing here.

Also, I managed to at least attempt this the other night during an in-dream WILD attempt. For some reason I couldn't figure out how to get the method working properly i.e. I had no idea whether my mouth was really closed or not. Falling back on the nosepinch RC got me lucid in the end.

When I tried it, I folded in my lips to seal my mouth shut. It would look like you had no lips if you tried it while looking in the mirror.

Originally Posted by mikeac

When I tried it, I folded in my lips to seal my mouth shut. It would look like you had no lips if you tried it while looking in the mirror.

Yup, thats kind of what i was doing subconsciously... other times i was just applying a lot of pressure on my lips together and blowing... There is a very clear feeling of having your lips tightly closed and yet somehow not affecting the fact that you can easily blow out them.. its a strange feeling yet a very clear indicator that you are dreaming. Now, speaking a little more on this technique, I had many many awakenings through the night last night and I repeatedly used this method to RC, every time it showed that I was in fact awake, I retested using the 2nd RC and found that it was accurate every time thus far. I did not have any fa or lucidity last night but this RC did work every time I tested it, around 8-9 times to show that I was not dreaming when I woke up..

I also wanted to state that I understand a little more about why this works so well and you can test this yourself now. The nose pinch RC works by pinching your nose closed and attempting to breath in and out of your mouth, if you can breath, in or out, then it is a successful RC and you have been proven lucid. The only argument I have heard against my RC is that if your physical mouth is closed it may not work. This argument in that case would be the same for the nose pinch RC if it had the ability to fail under those circumstances. The part that makes this work is also the fact that you are pushing air outward, it will move past your physical lips even if it has to part them slightly by force.. The other obvious thing is that the nose is unplugged during my rc, therefore one might think you may be breathing out through your nose yet interpreting it as your mouth.. If you try this right now, breathing deeply outward through your mouth, then switch to breathing deeply out your nose midbreath, you will see that there is a full switch between the two.. and that MOST people cannot do both at the same time... when breathing deeply out of your mouth, your nasal passage is fully closed, therefore there is no reason to pinch the nose using my RC. Breathing in and out are different and may not work with this method, because there is possibility of switching back to nasal on the inhale or exhale... so just breathing outward through the mouth in somewhat of a blow with your lips tightly sealed will close the nasal passage intirely and if you are non physical, you can blow easily through your seemingly tightly closed lips. If you are not, your mouth will try to inflate with air lol

plz continue testing this. If this is proven to be reliable, even equally reliable as the Nose pinch, then we have a new incredible MOVEMENT free rc that will not ruin SP or lucidity in the case of a fail..