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Well it's that time of year again... that lucid dreaming contest. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to personally attack anyone who takes part in this competition with this thread. Though every year when this contest starts up, that little part of me always just wants always to scream "We are just lucid dreaming! This isn't a competitive team sport!" |
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Honestly for me, it's not about the competition. I kinda hate competition as well, most of the time it's not really worth putting the energy into trash talk and stuff like that, plus I honestly couldn't care less about actually beating anyone. |
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I don't enter the competition because i know i'll kick everyone's a$$ too easily.:tropicalboxer: And i don't want to make everyone look that bad. What's the point in entering a competition if there is no competition. |
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Well, I think the motivation part is true but also some people dont know what they wanna do in their dream so they do the goals they need to do to win. Also, for others hardly people pay attention to their entrys so doing it could get them some attention. - w - But thats why there was a buddy program made, only some people dont follow through with the buddy program I think. |
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First, my view on competition in general. In casual things I really really love competition. In video games I love playing against my friends, co-op I find incredibly boring xD I love board games too. I don't like real confrontation or ill feelings toward others, but I really love playfighting and sparring. |
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I thought I should chime in because I agree with the OP to an extent and can see where he is coming from. |
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The main problem I see with competition is that it tends to bring out unwholesome mind states. Ill will, greed, selfishness, jealousy, etc. It can turn a beneficial activity into an ego-driven endeavor done for all the wrong reasons. If you are pushing yourself to be better because you want to be superior to others, then you are in it for the wrong reason. |
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Vince, what do you think about a competitiveness without ill-feelings and ego? Is that even possible? For example when playing video games, board games or when playfighting, sparring, I'm in a playful mood and I think it's not ego-driven, but just play for the sake of play. |
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Last edited by Ginsan; 08-19-2015 at 11:30 PM.
This can be said about any competition. Do you not like any organized sports, most board games, and most video games? I think that doesnt bring out this characteristic, but reveals these characteristics |
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I was speaking in a general sense. It is absolutely possible to engage in competition without giving rise to harmful mind states and egoic tendencies. I play competitive volleyball and this is something I am constantly working on. I try to focus on improving my own skills and delight in others doing well also, regardless of what side they are on. I am conditioned to be extremely competitive in a way which gives rise to unskillful states, so this practice of being mindful during competitions is very beneficial in my case. Others seem to be less competitive by nature, although it seems that a lot of the time these are the ones who do not strive to meet their potential or are really that interested in improving their skills. |
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Vince, I am curious about your definition of competitive. When you say you are competitive, do you mean you always want to be better than other people, or are you just striving to be better than you are? The first gives rise to the unwholesome states you mentioned, but the latter will not, I think. I think I like competition because it's a fun challenge, not to be better than someone else |
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My competitiveness is mainly derived from the desire to continuously improve and be the absolute best that I can be, rather than a need to be better than others. Those who I play with have an important role in this. Observing where others are at in terms of the development of particular skills can be used as a gauge to compare oneself, and witnessing their failures and successes can be a great opportunity to learn without necessarily having to make the same mistakes oneself. |
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Last edited by VinceField; 08-20-2015 at 04:30 AM.
Hey JadeGreen, I think this is a great question, in part because the competition is a lot more fun when we're all going into it with a sense of fun and camaraderie. The reason I'm participating is mostly down to these two things: |
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Honestly, I don't see anything wrong with the competitions (idk except maybe that all the standard dream control tasks are super-basic/uninteresting I guess?). Hell, I only progressed as far as I did because of my interactions with Naiya, Walms (and then Hukif), and other ridiculously adept folks that hung out in that circle. Day after day, I pushed myself to improve, to bring myself to their level, and maybe--one day--surpass them. There was no hubris, jealousy, or ill-will. I was simply inspired by my friends to push beyond my limits and achieve my own sort of success. |
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The competition does give a surge of motivation for lucid dreaming and if I joined the competition and ended up "loosing" at the end, I wouldn't feel demoralised in any way. Infact I'd probably be more motivated to try and better myself. Just like if you were doing an exam in class and after the results you find everyone actually did much better than you and you ranked pretty low, I'd feel bad but that would give me motivation to study harder for the next exam |
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Intentions are probably the most important aspect to any action. They guide our thoughts and actions in line with our desires. There is a such thing as doing the right thing for the wrong reason. Although competitions may give the ego a kick in the ass to become motivated to achieve something, if the person is motivated solely for egoistic purposes, one will unlikely remain motivated for much longer than the ego is able to feed off the activity. Then again, putting the ego aside and seeing the activity (in this case, lucid dreaming) for its true value and cultivating the desire to better oneself through this means, the person will have all the motivation they need to engage in a successful LD practice without having the need to feed their ego. Of course, many may be into lucid dreaming for misguided purposes to begin with. |
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"Of course, many may be into lucid dreaming for misguided purposes to begin with." |
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