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      Quote Originally Posted by Oneirin View Post
      Long post, but I had a long waking period during my WILD attempt last night. No LD, but I learned from the attempt. I woke up after 3 dream segments last night (12:40, ~3:15, ~4:20) and attempted a WILD at 4:20 figuring it would be the best time (I may consider trying earlier periods now). 4:20 was just about 6 hours 20 mins after falling asleep. It was my first try at having a a small stimulant during WBTB (.33oz dark chocolate: containing 6mg caffeine and some theobromine).The insomnia may have been due to the fact that I was going into my 1st day back at work after spring break however. I'm gonna ditch the WBTB stims now. I ended /w some insomnia, staying mostly awake until my alarm at 6:55 although I hit some periods of semi-consciousness throughout. I definitely learned 'HOLD STILL' from this one. I did notice a loud 'ding' at one point which I assume was 'the noise', which I'll ignore.
      I attempted several WILD techniques during this period, just hoping that I'd fall asleep! I'll cover a few of my experiences since I could probably learn a lot more.
      My attempt at mantra & gazing into eyelids anticipating dream was followed by insomnia. I moved on to 61 pt relaxation which has worked well for me in the past. It really helped relax and get the 'sinking' feeling. Focusing on seses, progressing through SSILD lead to losing some consciousness (maybe it would be a good technique to pursue?) Keeping a clear mind and waiting for visuals produced some vivid hypnogogia at one point, yet no dream Emerson.
      I'll take any pointers/insight regarding the experience! Thanks.
      Well, at least you had some time to practice your WILD techniques!

      I think it's a good idea that you're scrapping the use of stimulants during WBTB. WILD is all about falling asleep while remaining aware; doing things to promote keeping your body awake is not a very good idea, in my mind. Indeed, I believe it is important during WBTB to retain a certain amount of sleepiness while you're up (by, for instance, avoiding stimulating things like phones, computers, and, yes, caffiene), so that you can return to sleep quickly and hopefully keep your sleep cycle intact so you can catch your next REM period during the WILD.

      Also, timing is very important in WILD. it's not always a great idea to attempt a WILD when you have to get up for something important; it's better to allot time for your WILD attempt that doesn't interfere or bump into important waking-life events. If possible, save your attempts for days when you don't have to get up for anything else.

      Next time!
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      Quote Originally Posted by Sageous View Post
      Also, timing is very important in WILD. it's not always a great idea to attempt a WILD when you have to get up for something important; it's better to allot time for your WILD attempt that doesn't interfere or bump into important waking-life events. If possible, save your attempts for days when you don't have to get up for anything else.
      This is something I'm still trying to figure out. I realize that If I'm in bed a solid 9 hours I can fall asleep and complete my full sleep cycle with a WILD attempt. I also tend to get insomnia staying up for more than a few minutes on WILD, so I usually go right into the practice after 30-60 seconds or so. Would you recommend practicing DEILD instead?

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      ^^ It sounds like DEILD might be right for you.

      DEILD is actually a WILD transition by nature, so in a sense you'd still be doing a WILD. Though I would of course suggest that you look at the DEILD session of the DVA WILD class to which this thread is attached, I would also recommend that you check out Zoth's or Yuppie's DEILD tutorials, both of which are excellent (and a bit more detailed than mine).

      One minute or less of awake-time is really not enough time for a WBTB, and does seem to more resemble a DEILD than a "classic" WILD.

      You still might try another classic WILD or two anyway, only without taking stimulants during WBTB; maybe with a little patience, and a little less wake-up juice, you might find yourself falling asleep... for what it's worth, I personally tend to take as long as 2 hours to get back to sleep during my WILD's, so I can understand how frustrating the wait can be sometimes.
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      I tried WILD tonight, but I kept waking up in 1½ hour intervals the entire night, so after a few of those intervals I decided to try WILD'ing.

      I eventually started seeing vivid snippets of forest and foliage, heard an insect to my right and scratching to my left. My body felt heavy. But then... Nothing.

      I had trouble breathing normally, or "like a sleeping person". I tried several times, and one time my body gradually just tensed up until I had to force myself to relax. It's like the sensations and relaxed state came in waves with peaks of sensation and valleys of feeling like I'm just lying in bed normally and awake.

      What happened? I have tried this so many times, so I am familiar with the experience, but never once have I reached further than what I just described. I need help... Please... It's demotivating to fail and then not be able to sleep at all for 1½ hour afterwards
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      ^^ From what you reported, Tobandan, I can see a few places where things went wrong for you.

      First, WILD really isn't something you should decide to do on the spur of the moment. Successfully WILDing, as with all LD'ing, is heavily dependent on your state of mind, and that state of mind doesn't necessarily establish itself in the few minutes after you decided to WILD because you're waking up a lot at night. It is much better to plan your WILD attempt for a specific day, and really get yourself ready for the attempt. All that said, there is nothing wrong with practicing your WILD techniques during nights like these; you can never hone your WILD skills too sharply... just try not to be too disappointed if nothing comes of those attempts, except some good practice times.

      Next, it seems that your entire report was about the noise, about the stuff going on around you during your WILD, and not about your approach to the dream. In fact, I would say that you likely were dreaming at one point, when you "started seeing vivid snippets of forest and foliage," but you may have been too focused on the noise to notice. The noise (i.e., HI, "SP," assorted body activities) are all things that are going on whenever you go to sleep, but during WILD you just happen to be there to notice them. If you can learn to ignore this noise and stay focused on your upcoming dream, you might find your WILD's much easier to complete.

      Finally, taking more than an hour to fall back to sleep is not all that unusual; try not to let it get you down. There are some relaxation methods, like the 61-point relaxation meditation, that you might try learning to help you get to sleep faster.

      I highly recommend that you look at the DVA WILD class to which this thread is attached, Tobandan. It goes into greater detail about what I've been discussing, especially things like mental prep. I think you might find it helpful.
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      First of all, thank you very much for the response! It really helps a great deal.

      Now, if I may, I have another quick question; How can I differentiate between HI and these Vivid Snippets I wrote about earlier?

      Again, thank you!

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      Quote Originally Posted by tobandan View Post
      ...How can I differentiate between HI and these Vivid Snippets I wrote about earlier?
      Don't even bother.

      There really is no need to differentiate; your dream will arrive without you needing to identify anything. Indeed, it could be the act of or need to identify all the little things (aka, the noise) that happen along the way to the dream that led you to mark what could have been a dream forming as HI.

      Instead of being concerned about what exactly is passing your way, just stay focused on the inevitable dream, and those bits of what could have been dream might finish forming without interruption.

      One other quick note: those images you describe might also have been dreamlets, and not actual dreams. Dreamlets are bits of dream imagery that might form while you are still on the fence between wake and sleep, and, though not fully dreams, can certainly be indicators that you are almost there, and can also be used to help you form your dream (i.e., take the forest image and maybe imagine a path leading through it...straight to your real dream). I just figured that was worth mentioning.

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      Hi All,
      I don't know if this is still active.
      I read the whole WILD tutorial and especially the DEILD post.
      I did my intentions before sleeping. After sleeping for a while, I woke up just as I was slipping into SP. Like Sageous has mentioned, I had just completed a dream and in the gap between experienced SP first hand. Since this was my first time, my heart beat kinda raced, but then I did some breathing and it returned to normal. I did see some hypnogogic imagery, but after nothing much happened. I would feel of waves of tighetning and loosening of my muscles, especially those of my feet. Sometimes I would feel like that I was getting lighter and floating, but not too high.
      I also felt some minor vibrations. But then I just sat there into void, nothing happening.
      After a while, which looked like a loong time,i couldn't hold my self and I had to cough. That's it.
      SO what was this and how to convert this to LD?
      Thanks,
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      I've only just started my efforts at WILD. Here's what's happened so far:

      I was doing a WBTB WILD over this Memorial Day weekend since I could sleep in and make up the hour it usually takes me to remain consciously aware while my body (and 99% of the time, my mind!) fall back to sleep. HOWEVER...Saturday night into Sunday morning I finally made it to the stage where I "popped" into a dream lucidly for just a moment before getting excited and waking up (I >>think<< for real) but I'm not 100% sure. I got a brief look at a woman entering an elevator while I was lucid, but the "holy shit I did it!" thought ruined everything. I was PLANNING on getting into the elevator with her to see where we ended up, but before I could take five steps I awoke. The elevator looked very fancy. We might have ended up in a lovely hotel suite in Las Vegas if I hadn't blown it!!

      Last night was another evening of epic dreaming. I once again incorporated a WILD into my routine after a wake back to bed (to pee). There was a thrilling moment during which I watched with complete lucidity, a thundercloud on a distant horizon grow and become illuminated by frequent flashes of lightning. The lightning back-lit what appeared to be numerous distant trees on the Serengeti. I was so excited at the prospect of being lucid in such an exotic location that I once again woke up. Dammit!

      So...out of approximately 8 or so attempts, I've had two "almost" successes. Going to have to keep at it. It seems to hold promise for me.
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      ^^ Really very exciting DH! Your successes are giving me motivation to try WILDing seriously again. After how many hours of sleep did you have these experiences, any idea about how long into your back-to-sleep they occurred?
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      Well, I'm in my 60's so I get up once every night to pee like clockwork at 2:30am. Our usual bed-time is 9:30pm because my wife and I get up early every week day. She has to be in the OR by 7:00am so we're up at 5:30. Therefore, my WBTB is after 5 hours of sleep. If you subtract the 1/2 hour that the Sleep Cycle App says it takes me to fall asleep, that means I'm smack on 4 1/2 hours of ACTUAL sleep. So...3 REM cycles in the bag, and the WILD is at the outset of REM cycle 4.
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      Hi,
      This has happened twice now.
      I had been trying to get lucid for a long time now. I also was praying to the idol of shiva. Yesterday while sleeping, I just asked to shiva "It's been so long I am not getting lucid, why don't you come in my dream and make me lucid" and I didn't even emphasise it too much, just repeated it a couple of times. Then did some other visualisations and went to sleep. In my dream I could see the same shiva idol, I was either referring some one to buy or myself was buying online and bang I realised wow I had thought shiva to wake me and he has. But then dunno what happened, i came out of the dream and into sleep paralysis. I laid there for a long time about 20-30 mins. Witnessed some hypnogogic images, some vibrations. I also tried your technique to go over each body part and loosen myself. When I did this it was like I could feel too bodies but the lighter body was stuck to the physical body with some sticky glue and how ever hard I tried, I was unable to break through.
      After 20 or so minutes, my hands started hurting as they were on top of each other. So i released myself and then slept.

      How do i separate? or enter a lucid dream state from SP?

      Thanks,
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      It seems, Sandeep, that by praying to Shiva upon going to sleep, you inadvertently set an intention that led to your moment during the dream where you remembered your request. That was very well done! What probably made it work, other than the intervention of Shiva Himself, was the sincerity of your request... repeat that sincerity, and you might see such results again...And, given that it's happened twice already, you may have stumbled upon a handy personal technique!

      Also:

      Quote Originally Posted by sskohli View Post
      But then dunno what happened, i came out of the dream and into sleep paralysis. I laid there for a long time about 20-30 mins. Witnessed some hypnogogic images, some vibrations. I also tried your technique to go over each body part and loosen myself. When I did this it was like I could feel too bodies but the lighter body was stuck to the physical body with some sticky glue and how ever hard I tried, I was unable to break through.
      After 20 or so minutes, my hands started hurting as they were on top of each other. So i released myself and then slept.

      How do i separate? or enter a lucid dream state from SP?
      I actually have not offered a technique for separating yourself from SP; you must be thinking of someone else (probably LaBerge, who suggest something similar in Exploring the World of Lucid Dreaming -- in which case I am sort of honored for the confusion!). The reason I don't have one is because such techniques often elevate the "SP" sensations you are feeling due to you concentration on them, and that elevation trains your focus on the SP rather than on a transition to a dream. That could explain why your dream body was "sticking" to your sleeping body.

      What I would recommend, should you find yourself in actual SP, is to simply relax your mind, and think about nothing beyond how this condition means that your dream is just around the corner. Then, after you've relaxed a while -- maybe even enjoyed the sensation for a moment, rather than challenge or fear it -- simply allow your presence to leave this situation and drift toward a new dream; don't worry about two bodies, or trying to separate them, just calmly move your presence from the body trapped in SP to a new place, which would be the dream . Even if that does not work, just remaining relaxed and mindful of your dream while waiting for the SP to pass might be enough to keep you aware and help you drift back to full sleep and a new dream (which, BTW, would also mean you'd be completing a WILD of sorts!).
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      Thanks Sageous, for your reply.
      The idol technique only worked once . What I meant twice was that this is the second time I woke up from a Dream into SP.
      What I meant by loosen was to relax myself from head to toe
      I will go through the link you mentioned and try again.
      Ok next time this happens, I just relax and pay no heed to SP and try to convert one of the hypnogogic basic elements into a schemata. (Which I tried doing, but none of them converted into a dream)

      Can't wait to sleep again

      Thanks,
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      Not gonna lie I did terribly while trying to do WILD. Every time I felt a roll over signal (part of my body twitches, I get an itch etc) I start to think "oh my gosh it's happening" and I get a rush of excitement and I never get anywhere with WILD. Might as well lay off from trying WILD for a while until I'm more experienced with lucid dreaming

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      ^^ Or...you can learn to recognize those rollover urges, and set them aside as they occur. That you got rushes of excitement in the past doesn't mean you'll be getting them in the future -- especially if you're ready for them!

      Experience is a good thing, Fluffbutt, as long as you learn to use it. That said, doing some work with DILD (like learning the MILD technique) never hurts!
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      Quote Originally Posted by Sageous View Post
      ^^ Or...you can learn to recognize those rollover urges, and set them aside as they occur. That you got rushes of exceitemen in the past doesn't mean you'll be getting them in the future -- especially if you're ready for them!

      Experience is a good thing, Fluffbutt, as long as you learn to use it. That said, doing some work with DILD (like learning the MILD technique) never hurts!
      Yeah I've tried multiple times to recognize the rollover urges but I just keep getting excited about it. But yeah I'm just going to stick with MILD for now and try WILD later on. Thanks for the response
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      I hope you don't mind this, Sageous.. I'm not going to spam questions all over again but this time i'll do the fixing myself

      I slept at around 5AM and had my phone alarm for 4-5 hours later to do a 20 minute WBTB. I woke up by the alarm and rolled over to my right to turn it off. Okay, it's time to get up, or so i thought.. I was too tired to even get up. Right when my determination to get up rised, my body started getting heavier very quickly. In around 10 seconds my body had paralysed itself and i started getting the usual noises. I just layed down there waiting for something to happen or hopefully to enter a dream, but nothing actually happened and i ended up waking up and RC'ing just in case, of course it was reality by then. I'm sure now that i don't see any colours or shapes behind my eyelids at all.

      I guess what happened here can be categorized as a DEILD for how fast it all happened though..
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      ^^ Share here as often as you wish, Darksyntax; that's what the thread is for!

      I'm not sure that what you experienced was a DEILD, though, because there was no dream exited, and no LD entered (in other words, the transition never happened). I can't say exactly what did happen, but you may have simply been falling back to sleep, and were aware of the process. If this should happen again, you might try forming your dream or repeating a mantra instead of just waiting, since just waiting allows your mind to more easily give into the comfort of going back to sleep.

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      I'm going for my first wild to night. I'll report back the morning after.

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      ^^ Good luck!

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      I didn't wake up to try it. I still have to get good at waking without an alarm. I'll probally get it tonight.

      I also have a quick question. I've been practicing mindfulness and sel awarness a lot recently, and have been getting better every day. When do you think this will incorporate into my dreams?
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      ^^ There is, unfortunately, no standard or general time-frame for when your ability to gather self-awareness finds its way into your dreams; it really does depend on the individual. However, be patient, because it can take a while (though it is worth the time, I think).

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      Sageous: I've been trying to WILD now for 3 days. I even tryed with the wbtb.. Problem is that i just cant fall asleep again.. Ive tryed on the back for the most of the times, but i keep thinking if i have my hands on my chest insteand of laying them down i will fail it.
      Even after being laying still for 20 min still nothing happens.. Even after 5 min of waking up.

      What is wrong with me here?

      Am i stressing to try to relax?
      I am not sure if this is right thought, everytime i try to lay still, i start to feel like i need to scratch everywhere, aswell swallowing.

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      Last minute decision last night to try a WILD as my typical WBTB got thrown off. I have some time to work on WILD due to break, so I'll be posting here a bit hopefully.
      I asked myself what my best choice of anchor would be in order for me to sustain attention. It's something I've been thinking about lately but haven't gone for WILDS.
      I decided to simply set my focus on the tactile sense of my body as a whole unit, and the sinking/relaxing feel into the couch. This worked very well and I was able to WILD! (I'll leave out vibrations in the head etc. that I usually deal with; I'm learning to navigate it a bit better)
      I wrapped up that LD, and decided to go to sleep in the LD /w a mantra to trigger another. I ended up in my typical 'WILD transition' state and managed to get into another very vivid/aware LD I even thought about writing this post post during it.
      Anyway, I'm wondering if there would be a great/better way to go about focusing on the tactile feel of my body as a whole unit, as well as sinking/relaxation. This seemed to be my intuitive take on it. (I can discuss the head vibration/relaxation that comes during my transition phase, but I don't want to deviate too much from the course). Thanks!!

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