Thread: What happened? Post Your WILD Attempts, Good or Bad, Here

Yepp - I needed a refresher on your mantra-session, definitively.
Thank you for linking - this made it easier - don´t ask me, why..

And - I even have come to something, for a start - to try out now: "Expansion of Conscious Experience" - short "Expansion".
That has meaning - I find LD is an expansion of life and conscious experience quite strongly.
And it has no "time-stamp" to it. Something I was struggling with most.

Which tense?
What sort of grammar - not to impede the desired result by mistake, but that was not really it..
Every present tense seemed to need subtext.
And the future I or II did also not feel right, in a strange way.

My conclusion for now/next test: no verbs.
Or maybe only in appellative ..?
To be worked upon, I feel..

I personally have drawn upon several mantras over the years, from phrases like “Here and now,” – also one of my staples – on the simple side to very complex positioning phrases specific to whatever goals I might be pursuing (for instance, I once spent a few months repeating, “I am at the point where the land and the water meet,” in order to attach to my mind a particular magical metaphor – that’s fairly complex, and I don’t recommend doing something like this initially, because you not only have to repeat a long mantra, but also attach a unspoken subtext to it that must be remembered throughout the dive – and it all must mean something to you! ). In between those extremes have been mantras like “remember,” a simple phrase linked to whatever particular goal I had in mind during the mantra; gibberish phrases like “Ja Nah Heefra” that came to me during one “deep” LD that I hoped might be meaningful again (that particular one never was); and of course I repeated “I’m dreaming” once, only to have Aerosmith’s “Dream On” as background music throughout an otherwise uneventful non-lucid dream. But none of that matters, because you really must choose your own mantra – I just wanted to give you a feel for the range of choices you have. So be creative, be thoughtful, and be careful to pick a mantra that means something very real to you. That’s all.
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So, why do mantras matter? I think you may have already surmised that, but let me paraphrase: Meaningful mantras, by virtue of their mix of relevant verbal, symbolic, and metaphysical qualities, are a unique tool for WILD (and meditation, and prayer, and other similar “deep focus” activities). As such, mantras, through mere repetition, can help keep your mind clear and your goals intact.

I fattened the parts, where you have freed me from the perceived restrictions as to mantra-formation.
I do also like the "Dream On" - not in "Hey You - Go On Dreaming!" - but as in "Oh dream - Commence!"

So - thank you - and I need not have pestered you in here, to get to my answers - would have been enough to re-read your guide.
I had it already all answered to me, but when I came on here not so long ago I have read a lot of things - and sometimes it is not easy to grasp the essentials - and the nuances and keep everything sorted.


Why next try with WILD according to Sageous and not SSILD:

Intuitively - I guess I can hold on to consciousness and daytime cognitive functioning better with something made from language, than from perception.
So it seems the WILD-chance is higher with mantras. SSILD goes on default towards falling asleep, as I saw it - but may branch off.
Language - yepp - something to hold on to for sure.

It will be a long and interesting journey from 6 LD´s adult-life, of which two were seconds, and one was a scared minute - towards being an experienced Oneironautress - giving lots of things a try. But I will travel it!

I do know, mantras work, since my first lucid was brought about solely by repeating mantas before falling asleep.

I sort of sometimes use mantras in darts-matches..
And I feel they work - and if only to distract my mind from disturbing my brain going about the throwing.

Or just positive assertions to be there instead of self-devastating ones.
I came to it, because I realized how much damage negative self-talk was doing to me as first step.

But I always go with verb mostly present tense "to be".
That seems logically wrong to me, when about dreaming, while evidently awake..

What do you think on this subject, Sageous?



Edit:

Ah - and what is also a problem - which language??

I have several friends in real life, with whom I talk in English, I read a lot - almost all in English - and I have this forum as my LD-center - so to speak.

But I am German!
What to do?
I mean this completely seriously - have you got an idea there?
How much more weight has the mother-tongue compared to the one most used in current real-life?
I dream in German - while abroad - I often started to dream in English - but not if there is German real-life about.
When having imagined conversations, while daydreaming - I do that mostly in English - sometimes in German.

But it is a sort of seriousness filter - the real seriousness takes place in German.

^^ Here are a couple of my thoughts/responses about tense and language:

Intuitively - I guess I can hold on to consciousness and daytime cognitive functioning better with something made from language, than from perception.
So it seems the WILD-chance is higher with mantras. SSILD goes on default towards falling asleep, as I saw it - but may branch off.

That's an interesting point, and may also indicate the source of my misgivings about using SSILD as your sole technique.

Using cognition -- applying active thought -- in your WILD attempt does seem critical to me, because it helps keep your self-awareness functioning better. Self-awareness is formed by cognition, after all, so it makes sense to include creative thought -- like a meaningful mantra -- in the WILD process. Now about that:

Regarding tense: I liked your rationale for choosing a "non-tense" mantra like "expansion," because that time-stamp can indeed have an impact on your dream.

This is why I believe it is best, when a time-stamp is unavoidable, to use the present tense when repeating a mantra. This way your mind -- conscious and unconscious -- will be in the right frame when the dream begins, and not looking forward to being lucid. In other words, since dreams air in the present tense, so should the mantra. For instance, if your mantra were "I will be aware tonight," come dreamtime your dreaming mind might adapt that mantra and provide a schema where your DC "You" quite happily plans on being aware -- later. But if your mantra is "I am aware," your DC "You" will be expecting to be aware now, and your dreaming mind will be able to produce a matching schema.

If that made no sense at all, then suffice it to say that present tense is always best. Dreams are a here & now event, so the mantra should be here & now as well.

Regarding language: I highly recommend that your mantra be in the language of your thoughts during the dream. If you generally think in German during the dream, than your mantra should definitely be in German. If, however, after all this conversation about dreams in English, you find yourself doing all your thinking during dreams in English, then your mantra should reflect that.

On a more practical note, it is critical that your mantra remains meaningful throughout the WILD dive. Your mantra may be your only tool for maintaining focus during that cognitively confusing period of final transition into sleep. Because of this, it might not be a good idea to use a mantra that you find yourself translating to yourself, or perhaps which suddenly loses meaning and its power to focus because you have forgotten what the translation even was. This indeed might run counter to my last paragraph, because here it might be important to keep the mantra in German, even if your dreams have begun to be in English. If that's the case, I think it more important to keep the mantra solid during the dive, so German would be the choice.

Here is another thought that might help: a mantra does not need to be a phrase or a word. A mantra could also be a pure thought -- one that doesn't require words or translation. This is not as esoteric as it sounds, either: for instance, I use a "remember" mantra often, but when I use it, I replace the word "remember" with a general, albeit very compressed, thought about what "remember" means to me; I also might choose to use a small group of memories relevant to my goals. I've found that this sort of thing is easier for me to "repeat" meaningfully during late stages of WILD, and also can be far more useful once the dream begins, because those thoughts will likely already be incorporated in the dream (as was illustrated in a backwards-sort-of way by my "Dream On" story above).

Bottom line: Keep that mantra in the present tense, use the language in which you will most likely be thinking during the dream, and it is the thought that counts, far more than the word.

Originally Posted by Sageous

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If that made no sense at all, then suffice it to say that present tense is always best. Dreams are a here & now event, so the mantra should be here & now as well.

So it felt to me as well - I was worried to be counter-productive with future-tense.
I find it easier to "mantra" things with verbs, which I am already and really doing, or I am so and so assertions..
But I will try out my "non-tense" mantra first of all.
But thank you for the explanation, why present tense is the thing to use.

Originally Posted by Sageous

Regarding language: I highly recommend that your mantra be in the language of your thoughts during the dream.

That´s it then - German - thank you!
If I come to live outside Germany again for a while - I could experiment.

Funnily - it took getting to know Mel to come across "Klartraum" - at least, if I read something German at one time, and "lucid dreaming" was named so, I completely forgot it.

I always hear "luzides Träumen*" from German people - the direct translation, but, even while we have "luzide" for "lucid" in German, it is hardly ever used in common conversation.
I like "Klartraum" - and it has no verb - it means "Clear Dream".

*that is the verb

Originally Posted by Sageous

.. for instance, I use a "remember" mantra often, but when I use it, I replace the word "remember" with a general, albeit very compressed, thought about what "remember" means to me; I also might choose to use a small group of memories relevant to my goals. I've found that this sort of thing is easier for me to "repeat" meaningfully during late stages of WILD, and also can be far more useful once the dream begins, because those thoughts will likely already be incorporated in the dream (as was illustrated in a backwards-sort-of way by my "Dream On" story above).

I think, I will go ahead and form something for the monthly task category - like - simply - "What are you thankful for?"
- that being a basic task to ask a dream character - it can maybe also be done as question to myself first in the transition phase - and maybe I will remember it then.
Or the months in some way - the aim being to say them out backwards November to January in the LD.
Or would that be cheating..

Originally Posted by Sageous

Bottom line:

Keep that mantra in the present tense, use the language in which you will most likely be thinking during the dream, and it is the thought that counts, far more than the word.

Okay - so it is really about cognition in the end - verbal or non-verbal - that makes sense to me.

thank-you.gif a lot - you have inspired me - zero idea how to optimise and choose and if to do it at all - to now having a little mantra-construction-set.
And the notion that it is in the end about creative directed thought. That opens up the arena vastly.

I actually can´t wait to go about the thankfulness business, I want to be able to remember, what several people say to this!
Do you think this is a good idea?

Ah - tonight I go for a WILD once more - promise to myself!

Hach - I am so impatient - I did go for a WILD, first I put the alarm on 5 h after falling asleep - but I was too tired then and put it off.
But an hour later I woke up naturally once more and stood up for a cup of peppermint-tea and a look on here and into your guide.

I found out, the "expansion" mantra wasn´t such a good idea after all.
So I simply went for "I am dreaming" "this is a dream" and "what are you thankful for".
I felt myself slipping in and out of a state, which was clearly different from just lying there - hard to describe - but you know anyway..
Bit of floaty shifty lofty sensations.
But every time these came to pass - they also faded into awakeness pretty fast.

I need to be more persistent - I didn´t give it more than some minutes..
So - still no WILD success yet..

But - anyway - like last time - it was a great intro for DILD in the following dream.

Here goes my journal: Yippee - A Lucid With Doing Several Tasks - Dream Journals - Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views
I was rushing about for my to-do-list - as if I had a deadline for a job or some such..rolleyes.gif

But one thing was a bit more interesting - I experimented with the flying conundrum.
I have no problem flying - but I always needed to do swimming or paddling motions - if you could watch it - it would look hilarious..
This time I was first even afraid to jump into the air out of a window - and then I was quite a lot afraid to stop paddling.

But I did and I kept hanging in the air - maybe 15 m above the ground.
It felt as if that wasn´t a stable situation - problems with perspective and confusion set in.
So I did the zooming once more.
That felt like a real dream-control technique to me - the only thing, that felt like one out of the stuff in my two LDs journalled on here.
I concentrated my attention on a detail and it literally sucked me there - super fast transportation.
Air-swimming sort of doesn´t count as dream-control in my book so much because - well - it is too clumsy and bumpy..

All overall - very happy about all the tasks - but not satisfied with the quality and depth of perceptions - too much of a rush.

Oh - but - I managed to forget one of the answers to "What are you thankful for". Even while it was relatively shortly before waking myself up, and even while my access to normal memory was actually great in that dream.

And there was a beautiful cat - and such a cat I will pet next time, instead of boring it with silly human-questions..

^^ Sounds like a real success, Steph -- even if it was "just" a DILD!

Seriously, though, if the things you do to prepare for WILD lay the groundwork for an eventual DILD, who's to complain?

You did seem to give up on your WILD a bit soon, I think; it looked like you were right at sleep's door, drifting back and forth between wake and sleep... and a few minutes of patience probably would've done it. Next time?

Regarding that air-swimming: no, I wouldn't call it a technique. Indeed, I would call it an "anti-technique," because, rather than remind you that your dream body is just an image and can do anything you want it to do, it reinforces a sense that your dream body is real, and must be active in helping you to fly. Plus it looks silly -- you don't want to entertain the passing DC's now, do you? That zooming you did fits much more snugly in the "control" category, as it not only works really well, but helps maintain your lucidity because you're elevating your actions above the confines of your dream's "physics."

Actually, sometimes it's fun to ask cats -- especially the pretty ones -- silly human questions. So pet it, and ask away -- after all, in a dream, you never really know who that cat might be!

Nice work, Steph, thanks for sharing... and next time be a bit more patient....

I will be more patient - I will work on it!
But I feel it as you say - it seems to get me, where I want to be, what I am doing - so why not go on with it?
Only for the sake of experimentation, later of course and definitively.

But I am at my fourth ever WILD try tonight, with two nice clear DILDs as harvest already, and first time bells and whistles, after which I jumped out of bed to tell my husband..
I guess I repeat the procedure, and see if I get the transition witnessed next time!
Would be great!
Now - right now, while I am awake - I do not really understand myself being so impatient - but - not having slept a lot - I feel differently.
Something to tune myself into before falling asleep maybe - less morning-grumpiness.

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I am not the nicest person to meet, when I get ripped out of sleep - even when only waking up between dreams..

And - the swimming is left from my childhood LDs - I always went out of the kitchen window like that - second story.
Couldn´t take off from the ground back then.

Yeah - felt clumsy - but also sort of safe - pretending there was a substrate to hold me.
There sure is a lot of playing ground opening up.
And till now it all seems easy - I almost dare not say that..


At least - time after next time!
And maybe tonight - I try to be more patient, and watch the transition fully consciously!
Thank you for your guidance, Sageous!


Edit: Being fully aware of being dreaming does help - but only after really trying - to overcome fear from jumping out of a 4th story window. I mean - can be all good - but I was afraid and had to force myself out last night.

And stopping swimming in mid-air and dropping was also not nice.
But somehow somewhere then everything kept still relative to me.
Now that I think of it - I believe I closed my eyes in fear - and reopened them when nothing hurt - and that had me stop falling - still in the air.

Yeah - there suddenly was a church-bell-tower and village "skyline", which didn´t fit, where I jumped from ..
Makes sense, now I edit about in this post here..rolleyes.gif

And to not be stuck - I tried this zooming. Had that as the only action at all in a one-second-lucid two weeks ago or something - after reading on here about something like that, I believe - attention-zooming.



Cats do sometimes answer questions in real life too..wink.gif
I once knew a very special one - not mine, but a friend´s cat.
Next dream-cat gets more attention - promise!

Well not sure if it was a WILD or not, but Go Home Phone, Your Drunk. - Dream Journals - Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views, but like you've said, who cares in the end.

After doing my WBTB I lied there and eventually got a weird notification on my phone but it felt like waking life, but I rc'd and it was a dream. The transition was so very seemless and quick, I'm still having trouble with my vision with WILDs, I was only able to see a bit in this dream, then it faded eventually, maybe I was too tired, not aware enough?

Oh well, next time.

^^ Yes, it does seem that you lost awareness and became lucid through a FA and DILD .. and of course, that is never a bad thing!

From your description this does seem to fall into the "too tired" category, especially when you note how quickly and seamlessly the transition happened (which would be the case if you had lost awareness during it!). And by definition you were not aware enough, I suppose.

Also, it seems that you chose to do the WILD during the WBTB. If that was the case, I think it was perhaps not best time to decide to WILD; had you planned to attempt a WILD the night before, with intentions set, you may have found it a little easier to avoid just falling asleep.

This one seems like a definite "next time"'er, and also a definite "who cares?" because you found your way to lucidity anyway.

So next time try to plan ahead, hold your awareness a little longer, and, if all else fails, enjoy that DILD!

This happened Nov 20, 2013

My first time experiencing a WILD. My previous lucid dreams were DILDs. This is done with the help of the supplement which I took first time too.

-Alarm clock goes at 3.3am. Taken 1 capsule of Galantamind. Meditated for 30min then lay on my right side. I felt the vibration. It goes up from feet to head. I just let it be. Then I heard voices. There are voices of men and women. I just let them be. Then it is total darkness. At this point, I feel that I can get up my astral body but I'd decided to wait for the dream as suggested for the first time of taking supplement. A dream formed. I'm in a room, it is a sunny day. There's a TV and several books below it. I'm trying to read what kind of books but I can't. I even checked if I have eyeglass. Put it on and off but just the same. Decided not to waste anymore time, I moved outside. Outside, the house is situated on top of a cliff. You can see the tall trees that came from below. It's beautiful. Decided to rub my hands to stabilize the dream. Rub the stones, feel their roughness. Then, I decided to call on my Greeny. Nobody comes. I decided to shout calling her. Then a green flying thing came. It seems to be a bird. More like a phoenix but in green color. It flew below the cliff and just when I was about to jump to follow it by flying, I stopped myself and I know it could destabilize my attention and I can lose the dream. And then, somebody in physical world, kick my leg. I'm back to my bed. The dream disappeared. I'm soo annoyed to that somebody.

Originally Posted by robrave

This happened Nov 20, 2013

My first time experiencing a WILD. My previous lucid dreams were DILDs. This is done with the help of the supplement which I took first time too.

Congrats! How many DILDs did you have up to now, what is your frequency?

Ahh! So tempting to know that taking a little pill can push one into lucidity (assuming proper daytime practices). I've resolved to give LD training at least a solid year before trying Galantamine/Choline mixes, we'll see if I can hold out.

Originally Posted by FryingMan

Congrats! How many DILDs did you have up to now, what is your frequency?

Ahh! So tempting to know that taking a little pill can push one into lucidity (assuming proper daytime practices). I've resolved to give LD training at least a solid year before trying Galantamine/Choline mixes, we'll see if I can hold out.

Nah, no frequency. In my lifetime, I think there are countable DILDs. I think around 4-6? Lols. My purpose of taking the supplement is to know the feeling. The feeling of having an awake mind while the body goes to sleep. After the experience I realized the vibration is not what I expect it to be. It's not that intense like most people describe. It's a good thing to know.

Congratulation robrave!
Unlucky with your being kicked away from your green phoenix in real-life!




Now to my sorry self..
I have an unexpected visitor, who stays over for some days - and we had some more visitors visiting us the last two nights.
That was all a bit more of a party going on - not much sleep, almost no daytime practice, but a bit is already habit, which is nice - and last night/early morning, when my mate was sleeping, I was putting together a draft for a mega-post in here and fell over around 4 in the morning again..

No dream-recall - bad girl - but I woke up somewhere around 9 am - thought why not - and tried my WILD-trying.
But I was in no shape to do it - I forgot myself twice completely - but shortly remembered, what I was doing lying on my back after a while - but it was obviously pointless to go on with it.
Sounds so easy - lying there and mantras and only taking in perceptions and own thoughts and feelings in a witnessing way.
Not so, hehe..
Well - there is the rest of my life to sleep in and go about it.
I will try to not hassle myself with it, because I posted, I will. No DILDs these nights without the trying to WILD, either - but as said, not even ground-zero-worth dream-recall.
Damnation on alcohol!!
My guests will be put on tea-total not to tempt me into "undreamability"!! Only joking..

^^ I think I'm going to have to make a draft of a single phrase that I can cut and paste here, just to save the time of repeatedly typing it over and over and over. It would say something like:

"It is not a good idea to try a WILD dive just because you woke up and felt like trying one.

WILD -- and LD'ing in general -- really does require a good dose of mental prep and planning. Like it or not, lucidity depends heavily on expectations and intentions, so it is a good idea to include both in your plans. Not to mention that it is not always very easy to simply "switch on" self awareness, so a few hours of prep in that department may be required as well.

In other words: if you wake up and, with zero mental prep in hand, decide to try a WILD, I suggest that you just go back to sleep; since your chances of a LD are exactly the same, why not save yourself the trouble of holding still, etc?"

Or something like that. Seriously guys (not just Steph), though it never hurts to go through the motions of attempting a WILD (practice makes perfect, after all), you will have very few successful WILDs, if any, if all of your attempts are done on a whim, or at a moment's notice. Mental prep is everything in LD'ing land, try not to sidestep it -- and if you do, try not to be disappointed by your LD-free naps.

And specifically for Steph: When you've got company, partying, and interrupted sleep cycles all around you, it might not be the best time to attempt to WILD. Best at that time to enjoy the stimuli of waking-life, and leave the dreams for a quieter time.

You sure do not have to do this - we have to thank you - and big time!
But I very much find it a great idea, Sageous.

If you crystallise the pillars of your teachings in well digestible chunks - a single phrase, as you say it - you have freed up your mind to write - well - anything.
Not only just saved time, I could imagine.

And concerning the this teaching - I can very much confirm, what you say from trying it out myself.
Actually - I have also posted it, because I knew that you advised against spontaneous-idea-in-the-morning WILD attempts.
As you say - I couldn´t think of an argument against it either - and wanted to know, if I got somewhere with it or not.
No - I did not get anywhere - in contrast to the all together 3 WILD attempts until now, of two I got DILD and one the bells and whistles - but not only this - it felt not as if I really was able to do the try.

Originally Posted by Sageous

And specifically for Steph: When you've got company, partying, and interrupted sleep cycles all around you, it might not be the best time to attempt to WILD. Best at that time to enjoy the stimuli of waking-life, and leave the dreams for a quieter time.

Thank you!
Yes - that I decided as well.
And I am having a lot of fun, one perma-visitor for a bit more and others coming in and out - and a lot of darts are thrown and I love it!
I felt a slight irrational sense of "duty", actually - wiings and all - hehe - to grab any experiment-opportunity - party or not.
But it is not every week, that a more than one day party breaks loose - so - I will definitively enjoy myself.
Ah - rambling - rest of my life left is all I say.

Cheers Sageous!



Edit: You could conjure them up as you go - or not do it - or just do some of them, whenever you fancy to - the phrases.
What I want to say is - please do not pressure yourself in any way..

Soo - tonight is is unfortunately the alarm-clock again - I tried last night in the morning, after I woke up a bit later than between the first dreams, maybe - and like the day before - it seems, this alarm-clock waking was missing - well - this night - once more with alarm!

^^ If there's any chance you can work without an alarm clock, Steph, you might consider taking it...

Good luck on you next dive!

Yeah - I sure would prefer it - but this night I will do it once more with - I will experiment - I only did this without alarm-clock the last two nights now.
Only today, though, did I properly journal and I go about regular awareness practice only since yesterday again.
Soo - who knows, why it was so - but anyway - I´ll take the alarm - maybe I can then even later - after the dream - try it once more in a natural awaking.

Hi guys!
I did a WBTB last night. I got up naturally last night, about 20 minutes before my WBTB alarm was going to go off. I got up, walked around a bit, and spent 20-25 minutes writing in my DJ, as I had a very vivid non-lucid dream. After recording my dream, I went to try WILD. I was focusing on something, though for whatever reason I can't remember what I was focusing on now. In any case,it felt like I was aware until my 7:00 alarm went off. I thought this was odd, feeling as if I was aware for 2 hours, but not having a lucid dream. Any input on this would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks!

^^ This might sound odd, Exoyo, but if you don't remember what you were focusing on, then you probably weren't doing much focusing.

I have a feeling that you may have drifted off to sleep somewhere along the line, and simply woke up with your alarm later on, with the impression that you had focused on something.

If you're not buying that, or you can confirm with certainty to yourself that you were awake the whole time, it could also be that you got yourself into a relaxed state and were lying quietly for a time without ever falling asleep.

I suggest you look into using a mantra next time, as it might help you stay focused for sure, and perhaps to keep you awake while you fall asleep.

Thanks for sharing, and good luck with your next dive!

Ah, okay. Thanks! Would it be fine to use different mantras at different times? Right now as I'm falling asleep, I will repeat, "I wake up after each dream and remember it," as I have trouble noticing my naturally nightly awakenings. Should I use that same mantra to focus on during a WILD or would it cause problems to use another mantra?
Thanks!

^^ In my opinion it's fine to change up mantras as the need arises, though some disagree. However, since your nighttime mantra doesn't seem to tie in well with WILD, it might make sense to pick something else.

You can learn more about what I have to say about mantras in the mantras session of the course to which this thread is attached; you might find it helpful!

My alarm went off unnoticed - when I really have to get up - esp. after extremely little sleep - I use not my phone but something a bit bigger and louder.
I know - you do not like the alarm-thing at all - but - the experiment is postponed to tonight now.
Following an advice from fogelbise - I drank some water before going to bed - so that, when I wake up only a little between early dreams - this might work as a water clock.
Seems it was not enough water, maybe - something to play with, I think.

When I woke up I noticed it was 7 h in and that is almost enough sleep.
I drank a little cup of tea like with the two earlier in the night alarm sessions - I had planned that, but it likely was counter-productive to do it in such a late sleep phase anyway. I wonder, where my logical faculties were having a party while that..

Too much awakeness and my WILD try failed.
But at least I was persistent and didn´t give up after 10 min. or less - I kept at it for half an hour. This is progress.

Then I got up and was on about this and that - got tired once more - and lay down with some hearted tries to raise expectation - see if I get a DILD - but no.
I will have to do more mental prep, I guess.

What I now came up with - maybe I read it, and forgot or misunderstood it, though - is once I change scenery in real life - or once I think of it - I try to imagine, what exactly I would do if this really were a lucid now.
Like in the mood and with the stuff on my mind just like now - and think something up to do.

Funny - not easy to throw on one´s imagination in such a way regularly - I skip this a lot - quite some effort - esp. when not always repeating the sceneries.
Or would it be good to repeat what you want to dream about?
And do as if finding out how to go about it, maybe - in thoughts?

Besides pondering the personal and temporal context of one´s relations to the world, which I have to do more regularly, but find it not very difficult - I find it hard to try and really perceive and take in all of my environment at once through all my senses.

So what I do for now, is just look for inconsistencies and differences - if all is as it should be - mainly optically - but with all senses.
I shortly ask every sense of mine, if it has any input, if I concentrate on it - and what it is, and if it fits context.

What do you think of this, Sageous?

Originally Posted by Sageous

^^ In my opinion it's fine to change up mantras as the need arises, though some disagree. However, since your nighttime mantra doesn't seem to tie in well with WILD, it might make sense to pick something else.

You can learn more about what I have to say about mantras in the mantras session of the course to which this thread is attached; you might find it helpful!

So I can use two different mantras without messing anything up at different times throughout the day? What do people say bad about changing up mantras throughout the day?
Thanks!

Originally Posted by Exoyo

So I can use two different mantras without messing anything up at different times throughout the day? What do people say bad about changing up mantras throughout the day?
Thanks!

Sure.

I think people simply want to avoid any confusion, but if you see nothing wrong with it now, there's no sense giving you something to think about, right?