Thread: Conciousness: Give in order to Get. Falling asleep easily for LDer and non-LDer

I will try this tonight, it should help me have a lucid for the 1 week challenge!

I used to visualize putting my thoughts into an iron strongbox everynight before I go to bed, it seemed to help me sleep. I will try this for next few nights

Visualization can be very useful, but I think the key to falling asleep is fully relaxing. Being aware of our surroundings is very important in daily life, but when we want to sleep, it tends to get in the way. Visualizing focusses your attention to the visualization, and therefore away from your surroundings. The downside is that you are still in a focussed state, which is why I think this technique is better.
Then again, there is nothing that works for every person on earth, so visualization may very well be more effective than this for some people. I hope this technique can help you

Originally Posted by Spyguy

Visualization can be very useful, but I think the key to falling asleep is fully relaxing. Being aware of our surroundings is very important in daily life, but when we want to sleep, it tends to get in the way. Visualizing focusses your attention to the visualization, and therefore away from your surroundings. The downside is that you are still in a focussed state, which is why I think this technique is better.
Then again, there is nothing that works for every person on earth, so visualization may very well be more effective than this for some people. I hope this technique can help you

I don't actually visualize after the putting away my thoughts sequence. In fact once I'm done as you described I just feel like a spectator to my thoughts which just randomly start and stop. I try not to do anything which inhibits my brain falling into a trance.

Very nice, that sounds very similiar to what I have been doing! Also, an advice from my part would be to take care of all the daily business BEFORE going to bed (which may be what you do during your visualization?). If you are worried about forgetting something important, write a memory note and put it somewhere where you are 100% sure you will notice it. That way you can take it off your mind more easily. It's very hard to relax if you are worrying about things from waking life.
Sorry for not replying with a quote by the way, that doesn't work somehow :S

Originally Posted by Spyguy

Very nice, that sounds very similiar to what I have been doing! Also, an advice from my part would be to take care of all the daily business BEFORE going to bed (which may be what you do during your visualization?). If you are worried about forgetting something important, write a memory note and put it somewhere where you are 100% sure you will notice it. That way you can take it off your mind more easily. It's very hard to relax if you are worrying about things from waking life.
Sorry for not replying with a quote by the way, that doesn't work somehow :S

Ya, I think that is one of the largest sleeping disorders, stress. I can reply to you by rapidly quicking twice on the reply with quote box, have you tried it?

Originally Posted by dutchraptor

Ya, I think that is one of the largest sleeping disorders, stress. I can reply to you by rapidly quicking twice on the reply with quote box, have you tried it?

Yes, it works Thank you!

I tried this last night and the night before and i wasn't able to do it. I tried letting go of my consciousness but it didn't work. Any ideas on how to make it work for me? P.S. I looked at the void meditation tutorial but that didn't help either

Originally Posted by mnm

I tried this last night and the night before and i wasn't able to do it. I tried letting go of my consciousness but it didn't work. Any ideas on how to make it work for me? P.S. I looked at the void meditation tutorial but that didn't help either

Sorry for reacting as slow as I did! Could you give me a more detailed description of what you did? I might be able to help based on that

Originally Posted by Spyguy

Sorry for reacting as slow as I did! Could you give me a more detailed description of what you did? I might be able to help based on that

I followed the instructions for the void meditation, breathing deeply etc. but nothing really seemed to happen after at least half an hour. I didn't feel as though I was able to do anything with my consciousness let alone throw it away. I don't really have any idea what to do.

Originally Posted by mnm

I followed the instructions for the void meditation, breathing deeply etc. but nothing really seemed to happen after at least half an hour. I didn't feel as though I was able to do anything with my consciousness let alone throw it away. I don't really have any idea what to do.

I think I got it. When you are trying to fall asleep, do not focus on the conciousness and whether or not you have it. First, relax deeply. Without the relaxation, it's not going to work, so really relieve any stress you might have and relax. While you are relaxing (and it's perfectly fine to take some time for that before moving on), stop focussing on any external stimuli. So if there are any sounds, stop listening for them. Stop feeling the bed underneath you. The goal is to kind of 'sink away' in your own relaxation, to the point where you don't notice anything happening outside of your head. Once you got to that point, you are probably asleep already.
I hope this helps! Feel free to give feedback or ask any further questions

This worked for me last night. I was just turning over and over, when I remembered this. I sort of just relaxed said to myself "Right, I'm going to fall asleep anyway, lets just let it happen." Then I just got really relaxed and fell to sleep straight away. It works pretty well but it's weird to think how because you don't really do anything.

Originally Posted by MysticalDipshit

This worked for me last night. I was just turning over and over, when I remembered this. I sort of just relaxed said to myself "Right, I'm going to fall asleep anyway, lets just let it happen." Then I just got really relaxed and fell to sleep straight away. It works pretty well but it's weird to think how because you don't really do anything.

Nice! It is quite amazing how effective passiveness can be

When I tried it, I think it helped, but before I fell asleep, I got a sudden tingling/vibrating feeling all over my body. Has this happened to anyone else?

Will definitely try this out tonight, hopefully I can finally get my first LD with this, thanks spyguy

Originally Posted by Spyguy

I think I got it. When you are trying to fall asleep, do not focus on the conciousness and whether or not you have it. First, relax deeply. Without the relaxation, it's not going to work, so really relieve any stress you might have and relax. While you are relaxing (and it's perfectly fine to take some time for that before moving on), stop focussing on any external stimuli. So if there are any sounds, stop listening for them. Stop feeling the bed underneath you. The goal is to kind of 'sink away' in your own relaxation, to the point where you don't notice anything happening outside of your head. Once you got to that point, you are probably asleep already.
I hope this helps! Feel free to give feedback or ask any further questions

Thanks I'll try this tonight and see if it works.

How do i use this to make myself lucid dream? do i just do it normally with no techniques?

well it could help you maybe by keeping your mind awake but putting your body to sleep, i havent really tried this yet so im not sure

Originally Posted by TheAssassin56

How do i use this to make myself lucid dream? do i just do it normally with no techniques?

You can combine this with any technique you like, that is no problem at all. To be honest with you, I do not know the exact reason why this helps you lucid dream, but it helped for me and a number of others who tried this. A simple explanation could be that this is a very relaxed way of falling asleep, and stress is a killer when it comes to lucid dreaming.

If you read the earlier reply that I deleted, just ignore it. I thought I was on a different thread

Originally Posted by azoller1

well it could help you maybe by keeping your mind awake but putting your body to sleep, i havent really tried this yet so im not sure

No, this is not a WILD technique, nor is it directly a technique for becoming lucid. What this really is, is a technique for falling asleep more easily. You are right that it resembles WILD techniques, but the goal is not to WILD here. For some reason which I am not sure about, it seems to be easier to lucid dream when I fall asleep like this

Originally Posted by billyboy1999

When I tried it, I think it helped, but before I fell asleep, I got a sudden tingling/vibrating feeling all over my body. Has this happened to anyone else?

Yes, that happens sometimes. This is a method to fall asleep really fast, so if you stay slightly concious, you might feel early stages of SP kicking in. It is perfectly fine if this happens to you, but make sure you remember that it is not the goal of the technique to feel the vibrations

So nice to see this thread is still alive