Very nice discussion guys ! I was not hoping to catalyze such a deep and broad debate with my questions, but i am glad you have all find an opportunity to do so. We have here a good piece of material to read and reflect. It would provide a good book, if i could have the copyright

I am not completely aware of all this thread's thoughts, so far, specially after it began to develop into more specific and detailed lines. I sometimes loose interest when my limited intelligence and curiosity canīt figure out immediate practical insights and applications.

I just want to add that of course there are degrees of lucidity as there are degrees of waking consciousness. And i also feel that all of us are aiming to achieve those highly lucid dreams. And i would add that, just as well, all of us would like to achieve a higher mastery of attention, mental stability, insight and so on.

If that high state of consciousness is available to us during the day, why do we loose that when we fall asleep ? That's something we can't accept . Is it a psychological habit or a physiological imperative ?

Now, some thoughts on children and LDing:


I think children can get high level lucid dreams, comparing to what is possible for them in waking life. I would add that children, much more than adults, have a smaller gap between their dreaming and waking minds. At least thatīs how i remind my own child dreams, and thatīs the feedback i get very often.

Of course their experience is different than ours, they donīt have complex self-actualization and transcendent goals, but as far as mundane goals and activities are concerned, i think we are not that different ( that's why we talk about our inner children, right ? ). We enjoy playing with our dog, just like when we were a child, or playing an instrument..

In absolute terms i think we adults have the potential to reach higher lucidity dreams in terms of complexity, insight, transcendence, and spiritual impact than children but i also believe that children end up reaching higher lucidity levels - not because of the complexity of the dream, but because it is more vivid and realistic. In short, they end up reaching their present dreaming potential more often, and without deliberate effort.

I think we as adults have a higher potential to reach, just because we have different interests and a more complex mind, but actually end up with more low quality lucid dreams. Children, i think, have much more consistent high quality dreams, just not so " interesting" in terms of content.


--> adults have more interesting dream contents and intentions, but not so much vividness. They have higher potential to explore, which means they have more levels to progress, if they want.

--> children have more vivid dreams, and more dream control abilities, dream more often, but their dream contents are not as much evolved. They reach their potential easily, without deliberate effort.