New movement free rc idea. I need testers!!!

[atkins513]

Ok guys. I have had many lucid dreams and typically I myself use a reality check that many here are very familiar with; the nose check, nose plug, ect. For those of you who do not know, its where you plug your nose, close your mouth tightly, and attempt to breath in and out... because in real life, this is impossible, but when lucid, air easily will flow in and out of your lungs even though you have your nose pinched and mouth closed tightly. IMO this is the best reality check available and the one that is least likely to fail than any other. THE DOWNFALL to this RC is that it requires you to move your hand and plug your nose, and if you end up not being lucid, then the movement will have prolonged the process for many people. My idea for a new Reality Check was this. You know how you blow and force air through your mouth with your lips closed to inflate your cheeks? so that your cheeks are really blown out and full? Yet you dont plug your nose to do this... COULD THIS be used during lucidity? I really need someone to test this, not just to get lucid, but to test the method. The reason I believe this may work is because if you attempt to blow with your mouth closed now you will notice the airway to your nose is automatically blocked, and your cheeks fill with air... but if you were sleeping and did this, there are no physical cheeks, therefore the air should still flow freely.. in all technicality this should be as impossible to blow through a closed mouth, as it is to breath with your nose pinched... I really want some of you to test this one for me as I am currently on a dry spell.. and hopefully this could possibly serve as a new MOVEMENT FREE RC that is just as dependable as our most dependable now but relies on movement.... Let me know your thoughts on this, and definitely let me know the outcome in trials... thanks, Gary

[Nufeather1]

SOUNDS GREAT!! I only see one problem, some people may not breathe with their mouth open when they sleep so it may not work for everyone (a lot of people do use their nose for atleast part of their breathing that's why its so succesful). Otherwise great idea! I would be willing to attempt this the next chance I get, although my dream tends to shut me down right when i start questioning my dream (seeing as im just coming back to LDing). I may not be the best tester, but if i get the chance and succeed I will post about it on here.

[atkins513]

Thanks.. I hope I can find a few to test it

[nina]

My cheeks are inflated with air right now, and I'm breathing through my nose just fine. Am I missing something? I don't understand how this could be a reality check.

[JP]

My cheeks are inflated with air right now, and I'm breathing through my nose just fine. Am I missing something? I don't understand how this could be a reality check. Atkins is saying, and correct me if I'm wrong, that instead of plugging your nose and depriving yourself of oxygen you can substitute that by filling your cheeks with as much air as possible and attempting to breathe. This would require no movement from your hands and thus make it easier to reality check and induce a lucid dream.

[J.D.]

So basically try and breath through your mouth with your mouth closed?

[KushyBear]

I'll try this in the next lucid to see if air will just flow.

[nina]

So basically try and breath through your mouth with your mouth closed? I guess? lol. I don't think this will work. The whole point of physically plugging your nose is to avoid confusion with the mind. So in a dream when you plug your nose and try to breathe, there is no mistake. Especially since most people naturally breathe through their nose and not their mouth. But I can already tell that if I tried breathing through my closed mouth in a dream, right away there would be confusion about whether or not I was breathing through my mouth or nose (honestly I have confusion while awake). I would have to do the nose plug test anyway, just to be sure...so I guess I don't see the point in doing two RCs when I could have just done the nose plug test from the beginning. There's a reason why people have been using the same simple few RCs for years and years. It's because they are the ones that are tried and tested, and they usually always work. Not to discourage anyone from trying this method though, that's just my 2 cents.

[Mzzkc]

I don't it's breathing he's going for so much as blowing. It's worth a shot at the very least, as it could have a practical purpose while WILDing. I'll make it a priority task and let you know how it goes.

[your_mum]

If the OP is willing to elaborate, I am willing to test.

[Mzzkc]

Close your mouth and try to blow air through your closed lips. Cheeks blow up, no air gets through: No dream. Air passes through: Dream. Simple explanation is simple.

[atkins513]

Close your mouth and try to blow air through your closed lips. Cheeks blow up, no air gets through: No dream. Air passes through: Dream. Simple explanation is simple. Exactly. This may fail for some people, but then again I dont know, because if we have no control over our physical mouth during sleep, then closing our lips and attempting to blow during LD will be easy.. air should flow completely freely if we are really dreaming, however, in waking life, close your lips and attempt to blow and your cheeks just inflate... I feel like this would be a great way to test the dream and do it movement free... Please let me know if this works for you guys... I can't see how it could be any less accurate than the nose plug.... but testing is the only way to know.. like i said, its not about trying to fill your cheeks with air, its about attempting to blow through closed lips.. but in reality your cheeks will fill with air.. in LD it should blow freely even though they are closed

[mikeac]

I'll test it too. It seems that this could be pretty successful.

[atkins513]

If I can get past my dryspell maybe I will test it too lol... Im going to bed early tonight to see if i can get up early and wild.

[atkins513]

If I can get past my dryspell maybe I will test it too lol... Im going to bed early tonight to see if i can get up early and wild. Wow. So all this recent reading of these forums and RC methods must have automatically milded for me, because last night I broke a several week dryspell.. infact.. I made another breakthrough also... It went like this: I was in a house that I did not recognize with a friend of mine IRL. I realized it was a party of some sort because there were people everywhere, drinking, talking to eachother, laughing, ect... I was walking around attempting to mingle but no one seemed to know who I was, infact, I didn't recognize one single face myself.. I turn around to find my friend and he is nowhere to be seen now.. I'm at a party with people I dont know and now the only person I did know is gone.. I started thinking about how wierd the situation was.. and then I remembered that everytime I find myself in a new situation I need to perform a reality check.. (i have been doing this alot lately) and it dawned on me that I have been wanting to try a new movement free reality check I had thought of.. so I squeezed my lips together and blew hard, AIR FLOWED FREELY!!! I thought to myself, "is this right, I know my nose is still open, but my lips are pushed hard together, I'll do this again", this time I blew even harder with my lips tightly closed and air blew harder through my closed mouth.. i was amazed that this appeared to be working so I decided to watch the scenario around me and see if I can create an effect on anything.. When I look up from the floor, everyone is staring at me and no one is dancing, talking, or taking a drink. Every single person around me is staring. So now that I Have made myself very apparently known.. I decide I better be sure this is a dream and do a second reality check... So I move on to attempt the nose plug RC, I plug my nose (WITH EVERYONE WATCHING) and take a deep breath out and a deep breath in, and I CAN BREATHE!! Now KNOWING I AM 100 PERCENT LUCID, I just laugh out loud very hard, because of the hysterical situation I was in of not knowing if I had just made an huge fool of myself or not.. and now knowing I had not. I walk outside and the stars are incredibly bright, and I am very cold.. it is very cold outside.. this felt incredible to me... the cold wind blowing against my face.. it amazed me even more that this was all a creation of the mind, yet so incredibly realistic.. I walked out into the yard and turned around to look back at the house behind me, but it was different. It was the same house, yet very very old, abandoned, a couple of boarded up windows, and completely pitch black inside.. not a sound.. completely empty... I woke up laying in my bed.. attempted the first reality check and my cheeks filled with air... I attempted the end reality check and could not breath in or out.. I was awake in real life now.. I jotted down most everything i could quickly into my bedside journal and went back to sleep.. I really want to know if this works for anyone else.. because it was dead on perfect for me. If it works this well during an LD, then it will work the same for attempted wilds, and also for false awakening in which you do not want to move unless you are sure it is LD, so as to not ruin an attempt at deild. Let me know your results please

[Hazel]

There is another method similar to this, in which you block your breathing passage with that muscle in the back of your throat (your epiglottis), and attempt to breathe. I'm pretty sure either of these methods would only be worth using during WILD attempts, so you can RC without messing up your progress. I would definitely not use them if I was already in a dream.

[atkins513]

There is another method similar to this, in which you block your breathing passage with that muscle in the back of your throat (your epiglottis), and attempt to breathe. I'm pretty sure either of these methods would only be worth using during WILD attempts, so you can RC without messing up your progress. I would definitely not use them if I was already in a dream. Well ya, because during any other LD there isnt a need for movement free.. only with false awakenings and wilding... let me know your results people

[AstralFlare]

Why would air flow through your closed mouth in a dream if your mouth is closed in reality? Seems this would only be helpful for those who breathe through their mouth as those who breathe through their nose wouldn't have air flow through their mouth to be able to tell...

[atkins513]

I expected I would eventually get this question but if you think about it, In your Lucid dream you are holding your lips tightly shut, although your paralyzed real life lips may or may not be closed, they are loosely so.. if you force air outward, it will blow through your lips in real life whether they are closed or not. The majority of this can be tested right now. Hold your lips very tight and attempt to blow, nothing happens, shut your mouth casually but fully closed and attempt to blow and you will blow them open and be able to.... The nose plug RC is one of the most effective RC's known to lucid dreaming. I personally believe this can be the second most dependable backup during any situation where a movement free RC is needed. I was the first tester of my theory and it worked flawlessly. I want to see how it works for others as well.. Mzzkc, let me know if you have any luck, and others as well..

[Mzzkc]

Sure thing, I just need a lucid that doesn't start with me running from giant spiders or being attacked or what have you. Hard to remember tasks in those situations. =P

[atkins513]

Sure thing, I just need a lucid that doesn't start with me running from giant spiders or being attacked or what have you. Hard to remember tasks in those situations. =P LMAO.. your telling me!! How often do you Lucid Dream?

[Mzzkc]

Frequently enough. My average these days is about 20-30 in any given month, but I've been in a bit of a rut recently. Only 8 lucids this month so far and last month I had less than 20. =(

[dark_grimmjow]

In my case, this may be better than the nose pinch rc. The nose pinch rc has been the best rc i've used, yet there have been a few times that my nose was stopped up enough that my rc got screwed up. Does anyone else's nose get stopped up a little while laying down to sleep or after having laid down to sleep for a while? This is especially a problem if your sick with a cold and a runny nose. One time that my nose was stopped up a little and i tried the nose pinch rc, i kept trying the rc several times, but i could only breathe out of the right side of my nose and even that was hindered. In the dream, i thought i was just pinching my nose wrong. After failing to jump through a window, i figured that i must be awake, missing my chance to have an ld. So just as a word of caution, as reliable as the nose rc has been, it can cause confusion as well. I will try this new rc and see if it works for me too. If it proves to work better, i'll start using it instead of the nose rc.

[atkins513]

In my case, this may be better than the nose pinch rc. The nose pinch rc has been the best rc i've used, yet there have been a few times that my nose was stopped up enough that my rc got screwed up. Does anyone else's nose get stopped up a little while laying down to sleep or after having laid down to sleep for a while? This is especially a problem if your sick with a cold and a runny nose. One time that my nose was stopped up a little and i tried the nose pinch rc, i kept trying the rc several times, but i could only breathe out of the right side of my nose and even that was hindered. In the dream, i thought i was just pinching my nose wrong. After failing to jump through a window, i figured that i must be awake, missing my chance to have an ld. So just as a word of caution, as reliable as the nose rc has been, it can cause confusion as well. I will try this new rc and see if it works for me too. If it proves to work better, i'll start using it instead of the nose rc. Hey Dark, Let me know how this works for you also.. I cant wait to see the results after a few more people have gotten to try it! Also, I never just jump through a window after even a failed RC, I usually attempt to do something that proves beyond a reasonable doubt that i am lucid, such as hovering off the ground, making something levitate, or something lol... Jumping out windows or off tall buildings can be a bad idea to test reality lol

[Mzzkc]

Jumping out windows or off tall buildings can be a bad idea to test reality lol Nonsense, I've gotten plenty of lucids by doing that.