Thread: Spellbee2's Spring Extravaganza Competition 2016

Three Step Tasks:
1// Phase Through BSO
2// Advanced Flying
3// Time Control


Personal Golas:
[N] Find Hogwarts and explore
[N] Summon the Face
[N] Find out who my DG(s) is(/are)
[N] Explore an underwater cave
[N] Ask a DC to tell me a poem
[N] Ask a DC to draw me a picture
[N] Ask Rey who her parents are

Originally Posted by cooleymd

Three Step
Task 1 Eat Something
...

New Tasks
Cut down tree or pole with Light Saber
...
Pick Apple, Banana, or Pear...

There should be some explanation of point stacking

suppose I dreamed the following: I am in a dream and suddenly realize I'm dreaming
I imagine a banana tree behind me, I turn and find it
I bend the tree down, I pick a banana, I transform the banana into a glass banana
I eat the glass banana (tastes like toothpaste) I wake up

points would be like this
+10 DILD
+ 5 minor summunation (banana tree)
+ 5 unspecified power 'bending' OR possibly object changing OR using the force
+15 new personal goal (pick apple, banana or pear)
+ 5 minor transformation
+ 5 eat something
+ 5 FIRST STEP (eat something)
+10 Task of Month (eat something inedible describe taste)
===
60 points

The Stacking: notice all three of the last 20 points come from doing the same thing)

suppose instead I had done the above but instead of bend the tree down
I drew a lightsaber and cut down the tree

+10 DILD
+ 5 minor summunation (banana tree)
+ 0 minor summunation in same dream (light saber pocket summon)
+15 new personal goal (draw a light saber and cut down tree / pole)
+ 0 new personal goal in same night (pick apple, banana or pear)
+ 5 minor transformation
+ 5 eat something
+ 5 FIRST STEP (eat something)
+10 Task of Month (eat something inedible describe taste)
===
55 points (did more stuff but still got less points)

(notice that you can't do the same task twice per dream, or more than one personal goal per night)
(notice summonation of the light saber would have stacked with personal goal, but was a repeat in same dream)

cooleymd, that's a good point... As far as I understand as long as the personal goal is more personalized than the task - both count. But I think that for example summoning a light saber would be a part of the light saber personal goal. And the limitation on personal goals is just so people won't make huge lists of goals and pop dozens of them each night. That being said, I think some clarifications should be made:

Originally Posted by cooleymd

+ 5 minor summunation (banana tree)
+ 0 minor summunation in same dream (light saber pocket summon)

In a different example - like the fairy ring of TOTY 2016. To complete that the fairy ring task you need:

1. get to nature (teleport or by other means of control) = 0 or 5 or 10 pt.
2. summon a fairy ring = 5 or 10 pt.
[3. step inside]
4. summon fairies = 0 pt. (repeated)
5. interact with a DC - the fairies = 2 pt.
6. possibly manipulate a DC - if they don't want to tell a secret = 5 pt.
SUM: 12 to 27 pt. (depending on execution)

So I think it would make sense if all of this can be considered as either 12 to 27 pt. if interpreted separately or 20 pt. if interpreted as a TOTY - but not both (32 to 47 points in this example) - this should be made clear in the rules. And I think the right to decide how to interpret the task should be reserved to the dreamer (still depending on execution though!).

+10 new personal goal (draw a light saber and cut down tree / pole)
+ 0 new personal goal in same night (pick apple, banana or pear)

This raises a bigger issue for me...
As currently defined, per night only ONE personal goal can be claimed. That makes sense - as personal goals can be as easy and many as the contestant wants - so it opens a door to abuse and/or scope problems if one could do an unlimited number of them and claim it all.
BUT - I think it makes no sense to put both new and old goals under the same limitation - because this way there is no motivation what-so-ever to try doing an old goal (since new ones always cost more). I think a rule that limits the personal goals to ONE FROM EACH TYPE per night would make more sense. This way there is still priority for the new goals, but after doing one of them the dreamer will have an incentive to do an old goal too.

3 Step Tasks
-Fully Phase through a big solid object
-Advanced summoning
-Element manipulation

Old Goals
-Ride my/another motorbike
-Summon my persistent DC "M"
-Summon my dream horse Midnight
-Snowboarding

New Goals
-Transform into an underwater animal
-Pull something out of a picture
-Transform a DC into an animal
-Sculpt something from earth/sand/snow and bring it to life

I AM BATMAN!!!
That is all...

yea stacking is always a bit tricky Spock
like in my example of tree bending and then transforming banana into glass
if tree bending were an example of object changing instead of a form of bending (unspecified power) then it might also be a duplication

people tend to count each thing they do and then anything that meets multiple conditions and isn't a direct duplicate with stacking
or replace if supplanted by the +10 version

I only managed to do one personal goal last competition (stretch phone bigger) in my last, longest, and most controlled dream. Tho I had 2 flight failures (before success) and 2 mind control failures. For me most dreams are not completely controlled and I certainly don't remember all goals

That is why my goals try to be ready for different conditions like urban, rural, water etc mostly in dreams I go for targets of opportunity

Aw man, I guess I just barely missed this one. Oh well!

Good luck everybody!

Originally Posted by cooleymd

like in my example of tree bending and then transforming banana into glass
if tree bending were an example of object changing instead of a form of bending (unspecified power) then it might also be a duplication

Yes, but I think that this is part of the challenge - to remember enough to be able to pick the "control methods" that win you the most points... So it's not a good idea to use object changing - maybe using super strength or telekinesis to bend it are better options.

But in the light saber or fairy ring example - if you decide to interpret the fairy ring as separate items instead of 1 TOTY - than you can't use summoning or DC interaction again - but if you consider it as 1 task (TOTY in this case, or personal goal) then it would make sense that you can use summoning or DC interaction again.

For example if my personal goal is telekinetic flight (like in chronicle) - I think that as long as I do another sort of flight (like jet pack) as well as another sort of telekinesis (like on other DCs/objects), I can claim 1 personal goal + 2 basic/advanced tasks. But if I consider telekinetic flight as telekinesis + flight (so 5 + 5-10 instead of 15 pt.), I can't claim more instances of telekinesis or flight.

For me most dreams are not completely controlled and I certainly don't remember all goals

Same here! I'm just talking best case scenario assuming I even get the chance to do tasks and goals.

That is why my goals try to be ready for different conditions like urban, rural, water etc mostly in dreams I go for targets of opportunity

Several of my goals are teleportation and senses inclined - something I'm fairly good at, based on past dreams, which is why I'm picking them...

Also, I'll add some goals, including from what others picked - read some really great ideas here! Hope it's OK

Old goals:
Breath Underwater
Have a crazy martial arts fight
Climb like spiderman (without anything to hold to)

New goals:
Do drugs
Do anything to get struck by a lightning and describe the sensation
Skydive with no parachute
Ask a DC to draw me a picture
Pull something out of a picture

Woohoo I guess I am first to report in, good old Australian time zone
Last Nights Score: Recalled 7 dreams (7 points)
TOTAL: 7

Bring it on team Louie and Huey, my dream recall by itself with no points for lucidity will be your demise trololol

Okay, I'm turning in soon, so I'd better get on with this:

Three Step Tasks:

Interact with a DC
Ask for advice
Partial Transformation

Personal Goals:

Go to work and do something that would get me fired in real life
Go swimming (never done this in a dream)
Streak somewhere innapropriate (I failed to do this last time)

Good luck guys.

Awesome! First night. It's my birthday so I'm hoping for good results!!!!

Three step tasks:
Interact with a DC
Fly
Basic summoning

Personal goals:
Become a fictional character (or Darth Vader or Spider-Man)
Make music in a LD
Find my dream guide

Spock, the basic and advanced tasks are all reusable in new dream or dream/chain, but that is another thing, Some people apparently have very different recall that I do they wake up at like time for work/school and recall 10 dreams or whatever. I only count one dream per cycle, so If I was asleep for 4.5 hrs (by failing to wake up every 1.5 to 3 hours to recall) and I recalled what I thought could be 2 dreams, I would assume there were all part of the same cycle and group them together. But in each sleep cycle If I had 4 lucids in one night as I did in one competition I could count the same stuff over in each new dream (unless it was a once per competition kind of thing), of course in that competition it was about stability not tasks and most points came from the duration of the lucid dream <3, 3-5, 6-8, 9-11, 12-14, etc minutes

Awesome job, guys. Some incredible tasks out there that I will be stealing because they're so cool.

3 Step:
Fly
Telekinesis
Fully phase through big solid object

Personal Goals:
*NEW* Replace one of my arms with a robot one
*NEW* Do anything to get struck by lightning and describe the sensation
*NEW* Pilot a spaceship through space
*NEW* Transform into a bee
*NEW* Become a ghost and possess a DC's body
*NEW* Create a sword made of fire
Breathe underwater
Clone myself
Jump from a high place and slam into the ground at full speed

Also, I'll be sending out PMs to bump some people that haven't posted in the thread yet.

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Originally Posted by lunagoddess

OLD PERSONAL GOALS
-Fly
-Teleport

I need you to be a little more specific. Per competition rules, the personal goals have to be different than the normal tasks. You can clarify with "Fly into space" or "Teleport by using a portal", but they can't just be the same as the normal tasks.

Originally Posted by spellbee2

Goals must be different from other tasks in the competition, eg. "telekinesis" is not acceptable. More specific/unique versions may be okay, eg. "use telekinesis on a DC" - ask if you're not sure whether it's too similar to another task.

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Originally Posted by DannyCool

Tasks: Practice a Waking Life Hobby, Eat something, Interact with DC.

Personal Goals:
Dream Recall
Good stabilisation

Those are a little vague, could you clarify those a bit? You could do "Recall a 30-minute lucid" or something like that. But the way they're phrased now, it's not really a "goal" per say. For example, it's not really quantifiable as to how good a good stabilization is. Like a good stabilization for a natural lucid dreamer might be a lot different than one for someone just starting out. If you can rephrase them into something more objective, I'll accept them.

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As for the points discussion, just a couple thoughts. Spock, you make a really good point about the personal goal restrictions. As you mentioned, the limit's mainly there to keep people from listing 40 super simple goals like "move your right foot", and then cashing in the points when they get them all in one. But I do understand that that does remove the motivation to perform old goals (although I do find some old goals to be pretty fun, and they do work as a good backup plan if you find yourself struggling to actually pull off the newer goals). I will definitely consider the "1 new, 1 old" limit for next competition, but for now, since we've already started, we'll just keep it the way it is.

It is difficult to define an all-encompassing set of rules and guidelines for point scoring, especially since lucid dreaming is subjective by nature, so it's not like there's lucid refs to keep you accountable. That's why one of the first lines in the rules is that the competition runs on the honor system - you can interpret the tasks how you want, and you can count it for as many points as you deem fair (as long as it's within the guidelines that are spelled out). If it seems incredibly fishy, I may call you out on it, but for the most part, you are your own judge.

After all, as much fun as it is to win, the point of the competition is mainly to spark motivation to not only induce lucid dreams, but to try to accomplish new things in those lucids. So I'm not too worried about the points, those are primarily up to interpretation. But as long as you decide what's fair and it doesn't seem like your obviously milking the tasks for more points than their worth, then I'm fine with whatever.

Dang, I had two Lucids last night! One night too early lol... Let's try for it again, for Team Mario!


Good Luck everyone!!

Mmmk as luck would have it I came down with a nasty headcold today. I don't know how well my reacall/lucidity is going to hold up. These are my personal goals:

OLD: Waterbending
OLD: Firebending (Outside of flight)
OLD: Become Female

NEW: Earthbending (Reasonable Scale, move a boulder at least as big as myself)
NEW: Airbending (Reasonable Scale, Strong Gust of wind, Mini Tornado, etc.)
NEW: Encounter/Confront tsunami dream. (May overlap with Waterbending)
NEW: Teach Manei (My dream guide) how to defend herself/fight. I will consider any length of instruction (Even if it's just a single move) a success.

Three Step Task: (Mmmk I wanna challenge myself with things that haven't worked in the past. But doing all of these in the same LD... whoo...)

-Element Manipulation (There might be overlap with personal goals. If there is, I will take whatever score gives more.)
-Teleportation. (I think there's a dream spell that I can use. Tesser-A-[Destination])
-Basic Summoning. (I've done this before, but I'm out of practice...)

3 Step Tasks
Advanced Flying
Time Control
basic summoning

Old Personal Goals
Meet a specific DC
Dilate time using a watch
Have music play in the background

New Personal Goals
Visit another planet
create a persistent world

Oh my it's already time for this! Ah man thought I'd get in the first points, BlairBros beat me to the punch.

Dreaming has been taking the back burner a bit for now. However, dream me is starting to poke through the fog and notice things about the dream.
I've been not writing DJs for a while now. Shame! I vow to do it for the length of the competition! Writing this DJ, I recalled a full dream that I had lost earlier. The magic of DJing!

I also am maintaining an index of all comp DJ entries in my DILD workbook to find them easier:
fryingmans-dild-course-workbook-SSEC2016 DJ index

3 dreams: 3
1 frag: 0.5
night #1 total: 3.5
DJ entry: ssec2016-comp-night-1-2016-04-11-3d-1f-pts-3.5

running competition total: 3.5

W00T, Hukif is in the hiz-oose! Can't wait to read your DJ entires! Come on Sensei, you gotta step up bro!

All right, third to report in! Only problem is I honestly don't know how to calculate these... I've got 8 fragments that all seem to add up along the same line, they have things in common and seem linear. Do I count that as 1 dream? or 2 frags = 1 dream so 4? I'm not sure, here's the entry.

Footy, Ponds, iPods and Car sex.

Good luck everyone! I can't wait for my lucid tonight tho :3

3 step tasks (keeping it simple)

1) Fly
2) Eat Something
3) Use an electronic device

Personal Goals:

1) Change the colour of the sky
2) Summon a character
3) Run naked down the street

Better late then never. Didn't get lucid last night, no surprise.
http://www.dreamviews.com/blogs/smud...-4-2016-74546/
Total for night #1: 2 full dreams 2pt + 2 fragments 1pt = 3 points, Running total: 3

Team Huey Are Go!

If I am honest I had one long non-lucid. The fragments I can't remember. I remember waking up in the morning and saying I must remember this dream for the team. 1 point for Team Huey.

The motivation for this competition, no doubt, has greatly improved my dream recall!

I will try to remain so in the coming days.

I remember two non-lucid dreams (2 points), seven non-lucid fragments (3,5 points), and make WBTB that did not work (2 points).

Total points: 7.5

Originally Posted by DannyCool

Team Huey Are Go!

If I am honest I had one long non-lucid. The fragments I can't remember. I remember waking up in the morning and saying I must remember this dream for the team. 1 point for Team Huey.

plus 2 for wbtb which did not work = 3 + met dreamviews dcs in a non-lucid:

Team Dewey Invade Team Huey's Base - Dream Journals - Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views

Ok. Time to report in

I recalled 6 dreams last night. (All were very boring. I went back to my primary school for one which was like a nightmare xD)

6 non-lucids= 6 points.

I did two WBTBs that failed as well= 2 points.

And happy birthday Danny Cool!

Last nights score for me:

1 for non-lucid dream
0.5 for non-lucid fragment
2 for (failed) WBTB

Total 3.5

Only 2 non-lucid fragments.

1 point!

Here

Quite disappointed in myself with this as I got 5 full vivid dream a day before, but let's see what tommorow brings!