Thanks for sharing! It's quite interesting that lucid dreaming is associated with an increase in gamma brain waves - the very same brainwaves that experienced meditators tend to produce in abundance during meditation as well as Non-rem sleep. |
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This was published in Nature Neuroscience today: lucid dreams were induced 77% of the time when electrodes placed on the scalp stimulate the frontal cortex at 40 Hertz two minutes after entering a dream. |
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Thanks for sharing! It's quite interesting that lucid dreaming is associated with an increase in gamma brain waves - the very same brainwaves that experienced meditators tend to produce in abundance during meditation as well as Non-rem sleep. |
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This is very interesting! There was an earlier research effort, that proved 40 Hz showed up in lucid dreams but not in ordinary dreams, and not in deep sleep. But this is actually constructive. A 40 Hz signal can be generated via loudspeakers, and would then - upon hitting the eardrums - generate an electrical 40 Hz signal in the brain. |
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So ... is this the real universe, or is it just a preliminary study?
Holy sh!. How can I conduct this experiment home? |
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We're going to get there in my lifetime, I know it. Dreams-R-Us. Can't wait. It will be the end of civilization, however. Land of the Lotus Eaters. Larry Niven predicted something similar to this in his sci-fi novels, there they had "wireheads," people addicted to a trickle of current directly connected to the pleasure center of the brain. |
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Last edited by FryingMan; 05-11-2014 at 10:16 PM.
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Unfortunately though, sound frequency is unrelated to a brain frequency. Unless the sound vibration could actively cause electrical impulses of the same hertz through the scalp into the frontal lobe (which is highly unlikely) or that binaural beats actually work (still no evidence to back them up). |
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Binaural beats I very much doubt, since the physics doesn't really seem to support it. But sound and electricity are completely related. A loudspeaker takes an electrical signal (for example 40 Hz) and changes it into mechanical vibration. An ear takes a mechanical vibration, and changes it into an electrical signal. Although I do not know the exact process through which the ear functions, it seems to me that it would be highly unlikely if the 40 Hz mechanical vibration is not reproduced as an 40 Hz electrical signal but instead as another frequency. |
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So ... is this the real universe, or is it just a preliminary study?
But the point is that when we talk about the electrical impulses running through the brain, we focus on how the impulse propagates throughout the entire brain, while hearing something will send it down a specific pathway reserved for analyzing sounds. |
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That may well be; I certainly don't know enough about the way electrical impulses travel across the brain to say much of value about that. It just seems to me, that EEG measurements can be taken anywhere on the scalp whilst still maintaining their general characteristics, and maybe a signal generated near the ears will travel enough to resonate in the right place. But this is of course speculation on my part. |
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So ... is this the real universe, or is it just a preliminary study?
Ha!! |
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Last edited by StephL; 05-12-2014 at 01:27 PM. Reason: sound?
Hopefully somebody will make in future tutorial for creating home-made lucid dreaming machine |
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Last edited by MisakaMikoto; 05-12-2014 at 07:46 PM.
I'm back! Again? Uhhh..
This is a huge lift for EILD believers, to whom i belong ! |
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Check your memory, did any suprising event happpen ? does the present make sense ? visualize what you will do when lucid, and how. Reality check as reminder of your intention to lucid dream tonight. Sleep as good as you can; when going to sleep, relax and invite whatever comes with curiosity. Grab your dream journal immediately as you awake and write everything you can recall (if only when you wake up for good). Keep calm, positive and persistent, and don't forget to have fun along the way
It's very early doors, but can anyone start to give me an idea of how I might (affordably) create and experiment with a device similar to the ones used in the research without, y'know, frazzling my brain? |
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My LDing record, if you want to hear about it, is about 4 WILDs, 1 DEILD, and the rest DILDs.
Since I know, how it is with people clicking and reading - or rather not doing that - I'll put the text from the OP's link on over: |
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Thanks for posting, Steph. It's Always nice to receive your input. |
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Last edited by Dthoughts; 05-12-2014 at 08:58 PM.
The project would run into the hundreds of euro's/dollars. |
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Last edited by dutchraptor; 05-12-2014 at 09:15 PM.
Thanks for your detailed response, dutchraptor. Would I be able to get it off the ground? Probably not, but I'll make a fun project of researching the terms you speak of and go from there. |
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My LDing record, if you want to hear about it, is about 4 WILDs, 1 DEILD, and the rest DILDs.
You would, if you have the time. |
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This is great stuff. Id love to see a device worth a damn on the market. I'm always looking for easier ways to get lucid! |
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Last edited by Xanous; 05-13-2014 at 01:54 AM.
Not sure it would be that easy either. I'm assuming the volts/amps are quite different. Not sure you'd want to zap yourself while dreaming. =O |
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Already LDing headbands are on the market that can detect REM sleep. All that needs to be done is replace the mechanism for flashing lights with on that applies the 40 Hz directly to stimulate the critical thinking part of the brain. If someone were to find a way to mass produce such a device, and come up with a good way to market it to the masses and not just current LDers, I think that person could make an incredible amount of money. Also such a device would make all current inconsistent and unreliable LD techniques obsolete. An immersive virtual reality world/playground for hours a night every night! Who wouldn't pay good money for that? Someone develop this and use Kickstarter or something to get it funded. |
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Last edited by Matt1; 05-13-2014 at 08:24 AM.
The voltage from HIFI-equipment is very low, and bodily resistance is extremely high, so you couldn't "zap" yourself for the life of it. Probably the voltage is too low to work for our purposes, but then the voltage of the headphone-outlet can be varied to some extent. |
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So ... is this the real universe, or is it just a preliminary study?
As mentioned I don't know the exact details of how electrical signals move across the brain, but if a nerve carries an electrical signal, then this signal has a frequency. If that frequency, in a nerve connected to hearing, actually differs from the frequency of the vibration, then this implies a transducing metod of greater complexity than needed (a loudspeaker is really very simple). Maybe the human body is actually like that (this would mean that we humans have actually beaten evolution at something |
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Last edited by Voldmer; 05-13-2014 at 10:40 AM.
So ... is this the real universe, or is it just a preliminary study?
Okay, I'm thinking potential short cuts, and I'll admit the full extent of my knowledge on the subject only goes as far as "It needs to produce 40hz". I looked up this article on TENS and spotted the parts ">50 hz" and "<10hz" and wonder to myself if a TENS unit could be a little tweaking away from being able to produce "the magic figure" 40hz? |
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My LDing record, if you want to hear about it, is about 4 WILDs, 1 DEILD, and the rest DILDs.
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