Thread: Conciousness: Give in order to Get. Falling asleep easily for LDer and non-LDer

Interesting technique.
I will give it a try. It makes a lot of sense to me, I have found recently, more and more, that when you give up trying to pursue something, you usually get that very thing you were trying so much to gain.

Thanks for all the positive responses everyone!

This is genius. This reminds me of what I do unconciously. MOst of the time during my WILDS, there is no try, only do or do not. Like Yoda my dream guide says. I lay down and I let it happen instead of making it. I stay mentally aware but I let sleep take me, there is no try with WILD, I just do and the WILD comes to me.

You described it perfectly.

Like Yoda my dream guide says.

ahhhh, I love this idea. I usually have a tough time falling asleep, which ruins my recall. I'll certainly try this out.

Just wanted to acknowledge to you that I'm glad I saw this guide. I've read a lot of guides on WILDing and how one tries to become passive while trying to retain some consciousness, but the metaphor you gave about the object in your hand helped A LOT this morning at 3-4 AM.

I woke up to do a WBTB+MILD with a visualization at first, and thought that since I wouldn't have enough time for a WILD, I might as well stick to the MILD. But after some tossing and turning, and counting numbers in my mind while saying a few mantras, I forget about the awareness and came back to it passively. Finally turning around for a while, I finally get the images in my head, really quickly, and I feel that "pull" sensation I get with WILDs.

The vibrations stopped, and I think I failed, but I ended up having a few False Awakenings, but I became lucid in all of them except for the last one.

Again, thanks for the useful metaphor Spyguy! Awesome stuff.

Originally Posted by Linkzelda41

Just wanted to acknowledge to you that I'm glad I saw this guide. I've read a lot of guides on WILDing and how one tries to become passive while trying to retain some consciousness, but the metaphor you gave about the object in your hand helped A LOT this morning at 3-4 AM.

I woke up to do a WBTB+MILD with a visualization at first, and thought that since I wouldn't have enough time for a WILD, I might as well stick to the MILD. But after some tossing and turning, and counting numbers in my mind while saying a few mantras, I forget about the awareness and came back to it passively. Finally turning around for a while, I finally get the images in my head, really quickly, and I feel that "pull" sensation I get with WILDs.

The vibrations stopped, and I think I failed, but I ended up having a few False Awakenings, but I became lucid in all of them except for the last one.

Again, thanks for the useful metaphor Spyguy! Awesome stuff.

Glad it helped

What if I visualised giving away enough awareness to let me fall asleep, but holding on to enough to allow me to become conscious in my dreams? If it was conceptualised as blue light energy or something.

Applied to WILDs you think, "I'm going to give away my consciousness because I know I will retain enough awareness to be aware for the transition to the dream".

Originally Posted by Ctharlhie

What if I visualised giving away enough awareness to let me fall asleep, but holding on to enough to allow me to become conscious in my dreams? If it was conceptualised as blue light energy or something.

Applied to WILDs you think I'm going to give away my consciousness because I know I will retain enough awareness to be aware for the transition to the dream.

Well, the fact that you are visualising will probably keep you awake for a little longer, but I suppose it could work, especially during WILD. Although it works as visualization, I would like to add that, in prior sleep, you DO lose conciousness in non-REM sleep before getting a dream, so in the metaphor you actually throw it at sleep, and then he throws it back during REM.

How could I use this to help me MILD?

Originally Posted by rynkrt3

How could I use this to help me MILD?

If you relax yourself and then state your mantra, it will give you a better chance to get a lucid dream. At least that's how Stephen LaBerge's guided MILD is like.

Originally Posted by rynkrt3

How could I use this to help me MILD?

Originally Posted by Choi

If you relax yourself and then state your mantra, it will give you a better chance to get a lucid dream. At least that's how Stephen LaBerge's guided MILD is like.

I agree. If you relax your mind will be more empty and focussed, making it easier for the mantra to get through to your subconcious. That's how I see it anyway. The intention is more important than the wording IMO. As for Stephen LaBerge: I'm getting his book this weekend I hope it'll be helpful.

Originally Posted by Spyguy

I agree. If you relax your mind will be more empty and focussed, making it easier for the mantra to get through to your subconcious. That's how I see it anyway. The intention is more important than the wording IMO. As for Stephen LaBerge: I'm getting his book this weekend I hope it'll be helpful.

Exploring the World of Lucid Dreaming? It's awesome, the dreaming holy text.

Originally Posted by Ctharlhie

Exploring the World of Lucid Dreaming? It's awesome, the dreaming holy text.

Yeah, I got 'Exploring the World of Lucid Dreaming' and 'Lucid Dreaming'. One of them was by LaBerge, the other one by Rheingold, or something like that. But he was someone who worked together with LaBerge. I figured that, after over a year of LD, I might as well get some of the recommended reading. I didn't know what to ask for my b-day so I asked that. When I thought of this, I facepalmed that it took me so long to think of it lol

Read 'Lucid Dreaming' before ETWOLD.

Originally Posted by Ctharlhie

Read 'Lucid Dreaming' before ETWOLD.

Ok, I will. Thx for the tip. But why is the order so important?

Originally Posted by Spyguy

Ok, I will. Thx for the tip. But why is the order so important?

Just the order in which they were written, really 'Lucid Dreaming' is the 'breakthrough' work. ETWOLD is the book that you could happily base your lucid dreaming practice on for the rest of your life and not feel like you were missing out on anything.

This really makes sense...instead of "worrying" and "thinking about" losing your consciousness, you just give in, let it happen...definitely going to do this every night from now on

This post is just in order to bump this thread. The thread has become much more quiet, but I think there are still a lot of people for whom this could be useful

ill try it tonight and post the results

I like it I do this all the time.

I have trouble going to sleep easily, today I had woken up after a WBTB and when I attempted to go back to sleep it felt like it took me ages to fall asleep. So I'll definitely try this out. I have a question though, should I try visualize sleep and the "throwing" the object at it or just try say it in my mind. Also, is it best to do this before or after a MILD attempt?

There is no need to visualize throwing it away or saying it in your mind, that was just a metaphor. In daily life, your brain is constantly being conscious, and fights against going unconscious. That is why people who are falling asleep usually blink very hard and do their best to stay awake. Humans tend to do that when they actually want to fall asleep as well. The trick is to stop trying to be conscious. Don't try to hear, feel or see anything at all. Do not pay attention to your thoughts (do not try to stop them either, just stop trying to 'hear' your thoughts, and stop consciously thinking). When you stop trying to notice anything, sleep will come quite quickly. It might require some practice to willingly let go of your consciousness, but once you have it down, it will certainly help you fall asleep. I hope this helps

Oh, thanks for that. Makes it clearer. I'll try this out tonight.