Competition Sign Up Thread #18

[greendrive]

I am beginner and have about 2 per month. Please sign me up for beginner level.

[Zyangur]

I'm out of practice and need to get motivated again . Please sign me up for beginner.

[antoiaOLD]

This sounds interesting. I've had 2 LDs this month (finally broke a 2 month dry spell) but I'm still working on consistency, so sign me up for the beginner tier

[VagalTone]

Intermediate please, around 2 per week

[SammyTheSnake]

It's Tuesday here in the UK, but you haven't posted the rules yet, so can I join in? Edit: less than 1LD per week, so tier one for now :-( SammyTheSnake

[FryingMan]

I like the idea of changing the rules a bit. I would suggest getting rid of points for things like WILD and WBTB. We give points for "lucid" and that seems like enough. Is WILD better than DILD? So, I suggest to limit confusion, just points for lucid. People would say, lucid 3, wild 3, wbtb 2 = 8. 8 out of a max of 20 just for getting lucid? It should have been just 3 regardless of how you got there. Of course that is just my take on it, but I do like the idea of updated rules. It should freshen things up. OH no no no, keep the WBTB points, that is an IMPORTANT incentive! I would prefer to see the WILD points stay also as an incentive but don't have as strong an opinion about that. And, sivason, you CANNOT compare in-competiiton LD performance to out-of-competition LD performance and then conclude that you can't compete. For one thing, a major point of the competition is to boost motivation, for another, LD performance can be 10x or more in-competition than out-competition (personally speaking). So don't think that people's in-competition performance is necessarily the same as their out-competition performance.

[Sensei]

@Sammy, i'll sign you up here in a bit. I had a dinner party last night that I had forgot about, I thought I was gonna have an hour on the computer. I will put up teams as soon as possible, but the rules will be complete tomorrow afternoon.

[SammyTheSnake]

Arigato, yume sensei :-) SammyTheSnake

[Sivason]

OH no no no, keep the WBTB points, that is an IMPORTANT incentive! I would prefer to see the WILD points stay also as an incentive but don't have as strong an opinion about that. And, sivason, you CANNOT compare in-competiiton LD performance to out-of-competition LD performance and then conclude that you can't compete. For one thing, a major point of the competition is to boost motivation, for another, LD performance can be 10x or more in-competition than out-competition (personally speaking). So don't think that people's in-competition performance is necessarily the same as their out-competition performance. I used to compete and no one, including me, scored anywhere near as high as half a dozen member have lately. The amount of solid LDs this would take seems inhuman (or suspicious). How the heck have I been left so far behind, when I have had a 26ish year head start on most of you? Oh well, maybe the new generation has mutated and evolved (which is great; go man kind!) I will just watch this one and see what happens. I am interested to see the new rules. Perhaps I will join in on the next one. I could see getting a point for attempting WBTB and a point for attempting WILD, but then if you DID get lucid, you would only get the lucid points and not the points for attempting WBTB or attempting WILD.

[FryingMan]

I used to compete and no one, including me, scored anywhere near as high as half a dozen member have lately. The amount of solid LDs this would take seems inhuman (or suspicious). How the heck have I been left so far behind, when I have had a 26ish year head start on most of you? Oh well, maybe the new generation has mutated and evolved (which is great; go man kind!) I will just watch this one and see what happens. I am interested to see the new rules. Perhaps I will join in on the next one. I could see getting a point for attempting WBTB and a point for attempting WILD, but then if you DID get lucid, you would only get the lucid points and not the points for attempting WBTB or attempting WILD. Hmmm, I remember some members not that long ago scoring multiple hundred point nights every night (Hukif, Naiya, etc.). I don't think the current crop of (admittedly very high frequency) LDers comes anywhere near that. And personally, my max LDs in one month is 7, typical recently about 2-3, but during the competitions I experienced 7 LDs in 10 days, a rate averaged out to about 21 per month, 7-8 times above my normal frequency. In competitions I have (up to now) broken all my records by huge margins. Afterwards I'm usually exhausted for a while, but the competition effect is real, you can see it in almost all the participants. And note that the frequency isn't the real point gainer, control is. lucid is just 5 points, the remaining 15 all come from control. And there are so many bonuses that aren't limited to the 20 points. So goal memory and control are very heavily rewarded. And thinking you won't win isn't a reason not to join! It's fun checking for everyone's latest entries, there's a real camaraderie (and competition!) in the competition that makes it fun. And maybe after 26 years your SC needs a little kick in the a$$ to keep things fresh and active! Come join in the fun, we'd be so happy to have you with us! I for one would love to read 14 consecutive days of your DJ in competition-mode!

[Nfri]

Sivason The amount of solid LDs this would take seems inhuman (or suspicious). How the heck have I been left so far behind, when I have had a 26ish year head start on most of you? This give us a question: Is even possible to high level lucid dream every night? I believe it is. But lots of senior experienced members here seems to refuses this hypothesis

[Sivason]

Sivason This give us a question: Is even possible to high level lucid dream every night? I believe it is. But lots of senior experienced members here seems to refuses this hypothesis I average a couple hundred a year, but perhaps only 30-40 bad ass master level LDs in a year. I am by no means the best I could be, as I assume I will improve over the next 40-50 years. Part of the problem I suppose is that I do not honestly push myself as much as one can for just 2 weeks. Life sets in and sometimes sleeping seems too attractive to seriously WILD. I think it is probably possible, but I must admit, I become highly suspicious of some members claims. One member says his LD count is so many thousand since such and such a time. Which comes out to 5 LDs a night. They started some time soon just before that. Really? I sometimes have 5 in a night, but only a couple times a month at best. I am sorry to sound cynical.

[ThreeCat]

I average a couple hundred a year, but perhaps only 30-40 bad ass master level LDs in a year. I am by no means the best I could be, as I assume I will improve over the next 40-50 years. Part of the problem I suppose is that I do not honestly push myself as much as one can for just 2 weeks. Life sets in and sometimes sleeping seems too attractive to seriously WILD. I think it is probably possible, but I must admit, I become highly suspicious of some members claims. One member says his LD count is so many thousand since such and such a time. Which comes out to 5 LDs a night. They started some time soon just before that. Really? I sometimes have 5 in a night, but only a couple times a month at best. I am sorry to sound cynical. On my phone, so making it short: if someone lies about LD quality and count, who Is really being cheated here!? Personally, I think it is really cool that you average a couple hundred LDs a year. That's a big number to me. But my take is that if someone just pretends to LD, they are missing out on so much experience. This is unfortunate behavior but sad that that person feels it is necessary to lie. You should join the competition . I agree with trying man; your DJ is very interesting, and I'm sure it will be epic in competition mode.

[Hukif]

I average a couple hundred a year, but perhaps only 30-40 bad ass master level LDs in a year. I am by no means the best I could be, as I assume I will improve over the next 40-50 years. Part of the problem I suppose is that I do not honestly push myself as much as one can for just 2 weeks. Life sets in and sometimes sleeping seems too attractive to seriously WILD. I think it is probably possible, but I must admit, I become highly suspicious of some members claims. One member says his LD count is so many thousand since such and such a time. Which comes out to 5 LDs a night. They started some time soon just before that. Really? I sometimes have 5 in a night, but only a couple times a month at best. I am sorry to sound cynical. If you are going to be that specific, just come out and say the name... seriously? Also, get your facts straight. I started my LDing practice well over 18 years ago. And this sensei, is why I won't be joining again the comps; it seems to be a bad thing so yeah.

[Sivason]

If you are going to be that specific, just come out and say the name... seriously? Also, get your facts straight. I started my LDing practice well over 18 years ago. And this sensei, is why I won't be joining again the comps; it seems to be a bad thing so yeah. Are you suggesting no one else on here has ever claimed to have almost 5 LDs a night, every night (on average)?

[Hukif]

Is that what you said? That members who claimed that they have 5 LDs a night? Or was it "I become highly suspicious of some members claims. One member says his LD count is so many thousand since such and such a time. Which comes out to 5 LDs a night."? Because I don't know many members who claim a certain LD count since such and such time that comes out to 5 LDs a night when you do the math... especially right after the post of fryingman. Oh and then the "They started some time soon just before that." if I am not mistaken. Regardless, if you are going to accuse someone be a bit more civil and say whom exactly you are accusing; also will stop letting my drama derail the thread... sorry about that.

[Sivason]

I owe an apology to every one on Dream Views. I should never voice distrust in any one else's claims. None of you know if I have had even a single lucid dream, ever. The only source of suspicion I could possibly have stems from my own lack of ability. As if I could think my skills represent what can be achieved in 28 years of serious study. It only represents what I have been able to achieve. This is unfair of me.

[Bharmo]

I have to admit that sometimes I've read someone's feats and doubt crossed my mind for a second, but then realized that if we don't trust each other... well, what's the point being here on this forum? So I understand Hukif got upset. But on the other hand I must say that someone who acknowledges his error and apologizes with such honesty deserves all my respect.

[Nfri]

Sivason I owe an apology to every one on Dream Views. I should never voice distrust in any one else's claims. Doubting is the primary mindset of great oneironaut

[fogelbise]

I owe an apology to every one on Dream Views. I should never voice distrust in any one else's claims. None of you know if I have had even a single lucid dream, ever. The only source of suspicion I could possibly have stems from my own lack of ability. As if I could think my skills represent what can be achieved in 28 years of serious study. It only represents what I have been able to achieve. This is unfair of me. I am glad to see this. I have learned from and really respect both sivason and Hukif. They both helped me early on and I am glad they are part of this forum. Although I would guess that you are not including me in the discussion since I am usually more middle of the table in these competitions, I have found that when I put focus into DEILDing I can get multiple lucids in a night which makes some of the participants that get those really impressive scores seem legitimate. I also agree with ThreeCat that anyone that does choose to lie (and I haven't seriously suspected anyone in the competitions I have been in) is only cheating themselves. It would be awesome if sivason and Hukif joined! I love you guys and hope you both are around these forums for many many years to come!

[FryingMan]

It would be awesome if sivason and Hukif joined! I love you guys and hope you both are around these forums for many many years to come! +100000000000000000000 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Join! Join! Join! Join! Join! Join! Join!

[Sensei]

Attention! Your Head Asplode! The competition will be starting Sunday the 27th @ 8 PM YOUR time. So if you are wondering “When is that?!?”, then it is Sunday… the 27th… at 8 PM… Wherever you are. the competition will end the Sunday the 10th, at 8 PM (Sunday naps!). Welcome to the new and revised competition!!! Have some fun! Be competitive! There are a lot of new ways to gain points, so make sure to read the points carefully not to miss out. Rules are subject to change before the competition starts. If you have any questions, please ask now so that I can find out any big errors that I made while making this. If you have legitimate problems with teams, then PM me and we'll see if we can work it out. I did not pick them at random, I picked them in ways that make sense to me. haha. Rules for conduct: Don’t lie Don’t accuse anyone of lying Lucid Dreams must be posted in the dream journal on DV with link posted here to count (If you don’t want to post it because of sensitive matters or anything like that, than you can PM it to me) Dreams must be lucid for a Dream Control, DV extra tasks, challenge tasks, or three step tasks to count. Points There are a lot of new ways for points, so read this! Remembering and Trying This has changed, there is no points for WILD, DEILD, or SCPJILD. If you have a lucid, it is 5 points. If you have more than 5 DEILDs in a night, you no longer get the points for “remembering a lucid dream”, but you still get points for dream control and whatever else you do in the dream. remember a fragment - 0.5 points Remember a full dream - 1 point Remember a lucid dream - 5 points *WBTB fail (no lucid after WBTB) - 1 point *WBTB success (lucid after WBTB) - 3 points Dream Control For ever Lucid dream that you have, there is a 20 point limit for dream control tasks. It doesn’t matter if it is your umpteenth LD or the night or even your thousandth DEILD, then you can still get 20 points in the dream. Basic Tasks *Do a successful Reality Check - 1 point *Unsuccessfully stabilize the dream - 1 point *Successfully stabilize the dream - 2 points *Interact with a Dream Character - 2 points Flying - 4 points Telekinesis - 4 points Super Strength - 4 points Super Speed - 4 points Basic Summoning - 4 points (Summoning from the pocket / Make someone appear from around the corner / behind) Gain Invulnerability - 4 points Eat Something - 4 points Object/DC changing - 4 points (Fully change object or DC into different object/DC) Push your hand through an solid object - 4 points (Note: 'Pushing finger through hand' reality check does not counts) Partial Transformation - 4 points Get on an Electronic Device - 4 points (Doesn’t have to work, just try) Advanced Tasks Change Gravity - 6 points (doesn’t have to be for everything, at least one object) Teleport - 7 points Element Manipulation - 8 points Fully move through big solid object - 8 points (Like the wall for example, keep the eyes open) Advanced Flying - 10 points (Flying at high speed / into space) Advanced Summoning - 10 points (Make something/someone appear right in your direct view / summon something extraordinary) Advanced Object/DC changing - 10 points (Change enormous object/DC into different objects/DCs or many objects/DCs at same time) Mass Telekinesis - 10 points (Use telekinesis on ten objects at the same time or one enormous object) Time Control - 10 points (Speeding up/slowing down/stopping time intentionally, teleportation into different time doesn't counts for this(but counts for Teleport task)) Full Transformation - 10 points Dreamviews Extra Tasks TOTM http://www.dreamviews.com/tasks-mont...-2014-a-6.html *Task of the Month for meeting a DV member can only count for one at a time. http://www.dreamviews.com/lucid-chal...cid-dares.html TOTY http://www.dreamviews.com/tasks-mont...ml#post2072623 Personal Goal Make and post a personal goal and complete it.. Based on completion amount (does not need to be in order) The status for each will either be “complete” or “incomplete”, so there is no reason to complete any twice. If you complete 1 - 5 points If you complete 2 - 10 points If you complete 3 - 20 points If you complete 4 - 50 points You can complete more than one DV Extra task per dream. Challenge Tasks These are going to be the Challenge tasks for the first week, I will announce the second set of tasks on day 7 of the competition, in order to give us enough time to do it on night 8. Tier 1 Read a DCs mind - 10 points Tier 2 Feel a DCs emotions - 20 points Tier 3 Fully possess a DC, mind and body, without possessing your body and mind. Note: unless the DC knows that he is dreaming, you should lose lucidity, so you should tell the DC that they are dreaming if you want to keep lucidity - 30 points Three-Step tasks You choose three different kinds of dream control tasks from the list above except for stabilization and reality check ones. When you achieve the first task, you get 5 points in addition to the points from the task. When you achieve the second task you get 10 additional points, but only if the first task is already done. And when you achieve the third one you get 15 additional points only if second task is done. Note: You don't have to do all of them in single dream, they can be done in different dreams. Tier 1 You can pick any of the dream control tasks. Tier 2 Your last task must be an advanced task Tier 3 All of your tasks have to be advanced The Fourth Step This is a continuation of the 3 step task. It is different though, it is worth 50 points, It is after the three step tasks, you have to do all three tasks in one LD, however it can be done in any order. Dream Journal In order for you to get points for an LD, you need to put it in the DJ on the site and post the link here. Dream Journal Comments Spoiler for Sample: Sample Dream Let’s say that my three step task is: Teleporting Advanced Flying Time control My dream: NyxCC I try to make it out of the house, but my dream body isn't working very well. I lay down and teleport out of the house. I see a lot of cars wrecked in the road. I notice that it is probably my fault, since I am standing right in the middle of the road. I realize that there is no one in any of the cars. Touché dream. I slow down... I try to think of a creative way to find her. I see a body in the wreckage and walk to it and see that it is just legs, not what you normally think of when you think "legs in wreckage", but more like a pair of legs that were made to be that way. On to option number 2, I turn to the sky and don't see what I am looking for, but there are plenty of clouds to conceal it. I decide to just head there. I send out a message to NyxCC on my phone to where I am going (I just touch the phone to send it). I think of where I am wanting to go and direct the wind that way. I start floating over there and realize that I need to fly faster and higher. I walk up a few steps and it sends me from about 5 mph (8 kilo/hour) to about 100 (160 kilo/hour) and about 100 meters up. I notice that I am not alone and I turn around to see NyxCC behind me flying along. She is flying like a DBZ character and looks back to her normal self (normal from what I have seen of her in dreams). "Try and keep up!" I yell and speed up to double my speed. She flies above me and I turn around and fly upside down. She pushes me down and I start falling. I can see the water coming at me, smell the ocean. I keep going at that speed and pull myself up at the last second before I hit the water. I can feel the water splashing on my back and I lift my head up to the sky. NyxCC is a few inches away from me and smiling. She shoves me down again, but this time I fall into the water. I go down a bit and then float back up. NyxCC is laughing and I start laughing too. I imagine a small island behind me and start swimming towards it. It is a small floating child's playground. I climb on shore and step up to the playground. I try to imagine a ladder to the place I want to go in the sky, but can't seem to find one. I find a small place under a slide and try to imagine that it is a teleportation device. I make some buttons on the bottom of the slide and hit them. Nothing happens. I decide to just apparate and get there. I can see the place in my mind. I grab NyxCC's hand and turn, nothing happens. I imagine it in my head more and more and am in a limbo between both places. NyxCC's hand makes it more real back on the play-island. I try to do this about six times and it wakes me up on the sixth time. Dream Journal Points Another new way to score points Dream Journal points For every 5 Lucid Dream Journal posts - 2 point If you post in 5 different lucid dream journal entries, you will be awarded with 2 points. If you post 10, it is will be 4 points, 15, 6 points. Points for dream Lucid dream: 5 points You don’t get the 1 point for a dream when it is lucid, you get 5 for the lucid Teleport: 7 points Advanced Flying: 10 points finding a DV member in a dream is a TOTM, so I get 1 part done. Teleporting and then Advanced flying were the first parts of my three step task, so I get 2 of them done. Meet a Tea First DV Task (TOTM): 5 points 1st 3 step task (Teleporting): 5 points 2nd 3 step task (Advanced Flying): 10 points Total for dream and night: 41 points It seems like a lot more points than previous competitions, and I think that the extra points will work well with the Tiers. The task points should be balanced well among tiers. It doesn’t make much sense for people that get 300+ points to only be able to get 45 possible bonus points. If you want to be able to be eligible for all points, you need 4 things: Personal Task Create an in dream task that you have not done before (This could be something like “teleport” if you haven’t done it before and put teleport as part of your 3 step task) Three step task Put down your three step tasks in order Look at TOTM, TOTY, and lucid dares. Teams! Tier 3 The points marked with a “*” are not achievable by Tier 3. Sith Sensei Dolphin fogelbise LolaTheLoner Jedi anotherdreamer Dreamer Canislucidus Nfri Tier 2 Hatfields PostScript99 LouaiB vagaltone Fryingman McCoys Xanous OneUpBoy71 Ctharlie ThreeCat StephL Tier 1 Snakes SammyTheSnake lucidmats dreambh greendrive DragonMaster21 antoia SPD Mongeese Covlad96 MrPriority Pickman sprada Chessica NightFeather JoannaB Team Tasks Meet a teammate - 10 points for the first time, 5 after (5 points per extra teammate after the first, for instance, if I meet Dolphin, Fogelbise, and lola, I get 10 + 5 + 5 = 20 points. If I find all three of them in a different dream, then I would get 5 + 5 + 5 = 15) Show your teammate a previous dream - 10 points (only achievable once) Have a teammate take you somewhere that they say they have been in a previous dream - 10 points (only achievable once) Have a teammate teach you something - 10 points (only achievable once) Enemy Tasks Meet an enemy - 5 points first time, 3 after (3 points per extra teammate after the first, for instance, if I meet anotherdreamer, dreamer, and canis, I get 5 + 3 + 3 = 11 points. If I find all three of them in a different dream, then I would get 3 + 3 + 3 = 9) Fight an enemy - 10 points (only achievable once) Fight an enemy (or enemies) with an ally (or allies) - 20 points (only achievable once) Awards! Fancy Titles! Limit 1/person These might seem strange since no points are in them, but they are similar to wings in the task of the month. You will get the title (haven’t decided exactly how to “give it”), but I have a couple weeks to find out and I will bestow it to you and you shall have it until the next competition comes around. Each one has a "secret title" That I think that the recipients will like. I will probably add more later, but this is what I have for now. Tier 1 Most WBTB Most RCs Most fragments Most dreams Most dreams Flying Tier 2 and 3 Most dreams teleporting Most dreams escaping the void Most wilds Most Sex dreams Longest DEILD chain Most caught FAs Most LDs It seems like a lot more points than previous competitions, and I think that the extra points will work well with the Tiers. The task points should be balanced well among tiers. It doesn’t make much sense for people that get 300+ points to only be able to get 45 possible bonus points. It is not formatted right now, but it will be in the competition thread itself. I will send you an e-mail prior to the start as a reminder. There are a lot of tasks and things to do, but I would recommend that you BE CREATIVE! Find a task that you can get a lot of points on and focus on that until accomplished. Maybe a way to get a TOTM, TOTY, and 3 step task by doing the exact same thing. Creativity is certainly rewarded in these competitions. I don't expect everyone to get done ALL OF THE TASKS EVER! Don't overwhelm yourself, pick one and run with it. If you want to be able to be eligible for all points, you need 4 things: Personal Task Create an in dream task that you have not done before (This could be something like “teleport” if you haven’t done it before and put teleport as part of your 3 step task) Three step task Put down your three step tasks in order Look at TOTM, TOTY, and lucid dares.

[dolphin]

When getting points for the Dreamviews extra tasks, to get 50 points do we have to complete four different types of tasks (say a TOTM, a TOTY, a lucid dare, and a personal goal) or can we also set and complete 4 personal goals and get points that way? The personal goal has to be something that we've never done before, right? In that case, I think in order to get points for the personal goal, the personal goal week we pick should be the same type of task we can pick for the 3 step tasks. Also, is the entire competition one week or two weeks?

[FryingMan]

^^ Ooo, right, that should probably be Sunday the 10th for the end date so it can be two weeks. Awesome awesome, I particularly like the Awards/fancy titles, I know which one I'm going for Thank you, Sensei, for putting so much thought into this and for running it and for all the cool new things!

[Sensei]

Thanks dolphin. Yes it is supposed to be the tenth. Shall change it here in a second. Ah, each one is either marked as incomplete or complete. < in my mind that could only be taken one way, will make it more clear. You can only get points for each one once. You get points for however many parts you complete. Are you saying should, as in "a rule", or should, as in "it is smart" my personal goal can't really be any of the dream control tasks, since I have already done them all before. I think most people in tier 3 will have that problem. Fryingman! Glad you like it. It goes well with the way this thing is gonna end. :3