Thread: All desperate ones, try this easy trick!

Originally Posted by SearcherTMR

LLucido, when I read the first post, I was like FryingMan: No way! You should never scare someone under any circumstances - even in order to induce a LD. But your last post made me realize something very important: LD is a known and very effective treatment for nightmares. Nevertheless, it takes much time and training for someone to benefit from it. Your idea might actually be revolutionary! I mean, if someone has frequent nightmares and gets scared all the time, I don't see why not scare him/her once while awake, in order to make a strong - and perhaps long lasting connection between fear and RC so to free him/her from his nightmares via LD. I think it might just be a great idea after all!

Agree...

Dress like a zombie with blood and everything and then do your scaring technique Llucido. It might be more effective.

Just don't forget to check subject's cardiac medical history. Safety first!

XD

As with anything, one needs to calculate cost/benefit ratio

As I think about it I see that it's strong mnemonics - linkage between what we do and what we remember while we doing it strengthened by strong emotion which is fear of death. This emotion is super effective in memory clarification by ?evolutionary reasons? i guess.

For example when I'm taking a shower I always get this fear of spiders, because I've met one big there. I get this fear memory only in particular shower.

If we could use this linkage between strong emotion of fear and reality testing, I think it should manifest in dream very soon.

The problem with guys doing RC all day and hoping for lucidity is that the act of itself isn't supported by strong emotion. You need to burn this memory linkage to your subconscious and I think fear of death is one of the strongest emotion to go with.

I always try to find someone, who is ready to sometimes scare me. Just gently, like jumping from the corner and BOOO!!!. It is a little plus for my awareness training.

My practice is more about unexpected surprise. Yours is about hardcore scaring. I am maybe ready for it, and I will not hate you, because I am the one who is not enough ready and aware. Doing it with (unsuspecting) other people…is a bad Idea. It is not nice, and there are mental and physiological (even if minimal) risks. I was there once, on a scary prank and a guy fainted…O man…it was not a funny moment.

So, I think it is ok, if she was saying it is OK, please do it! (if she is expecting it, is it the same effect as not knowing about this idea? Maybe there are differences between the two unexpected (totally unexpected or unexpected in the moment)).

I can imagine some monks who are using scare, as a meditation-awareness method. The "prank" in this case is not totally unexpected.

Originally Posted by Memm

This is a really interesting idea, I think it's not just emotion but any significant day event is what we normally dream about.

Maybe before going to sleep think of the current most significant event of the day and use that as a mnemonic link to dreaming? Essentially you're trying to predict what you'll dream about.

ive done this before and it has worked.......
it has only worked for me if something of BIG SIGNIFICANCE has happened during the day....
like......one day my co-worker got sick at work, at had to be rushed out in an ambulance, and i KNEW i was gonna dream about something pertaining to it that same night, and I did......didnt go lucid tho........

"This is the sort of rationalization used to support bad behavior. "There are any number of ways in which someone could be injured, so why not do <something that could cause harm>?" which is a juvenile sort of reasoning."

"Are you kidding me? Those are ACCIDENTS, you don't justify purposefully hurting someone with the fact that accidents can happen while doing common, daily things."

Pranking someone is not intended to cause harm. It is supposed to be for fun. Kind of like a competition. What if you want to show your friend that you are better at driving than them and this leads you to crash? What if you want to throw a baseball faster than your friend and you accidentally kill someone because of that?
What I am saying is that pranking is just another form of aggressive and semi-aggressive interaction that takes place everywhere with everyone. Man and violence are inseparable, and there are times when violence is actually good. Me and my friends enjoy fighting each other. Could someone get hurt? Yes. Does that mean we shouldn't do it? No.

Do you want to live in a world where everyone is always treading lightly because they are scared of offending someone or hurting someone? That kind of world doesn't sound fun. In fact, it sounds really lame and shitty.

I actually agree with you guys to a certain extent. Hurting people is not cool. But to be so radical, so extremist, is also not cool. Pranks and such are completely fine when it is done in good fun, and not dangerous.

To sum up my argument: your attitude is a wussy one. The tougher you are, the more crap you can take before you get offended or "hurt". It seems that you are saying that amount is 0 for you. Which translates to being wussy. And you don't want to be a wus, do you?

Originally Posted by Avian

"This is the sort of rationalization used to support bad behavior. "There are any number of ways in which someone could be injured, so why not do <something that could cause harm>?" which is a juvenile sort of reasoning."

"Are you kidding me? Those are ACCIDENTS, you don't justify purposefully hurting someone with the fact that accidents can happen while doing common, daily things."

Pranking someone is not intended to cause harm. It is supposed to be for fun. Kind of like a competition. What if you want to show your friend that you are better at driving than them and this leads you to crash? What if you want to throw a baseball faster than your friend and you accidentally kill someone because of that?
What I am saying is that pranking is just another form of aggressive and semi-aggressive interaction that takes place everywhere with everyone. Man and violence are inseparable, and there are times when violence is actually good. Me and my friends enjoy fighting each other. Could someone get hurt? Yes. Does that mean we shouldn't do it? No.

Do you want to live in a world where everyone is always treading lightly because they are scared of offending someone or hurting someone? That kind of world doesn't sound fun. In fact, it sounds really lame and shitty.

I actually agree with you guys to a certain extent. Hurting people is not cool. But to be so radical, so extremist, is also not cool. Pranks and such are completely fine when it is done in good fun, and not dangerous.

To sum up my argument: your attitude is a wussy one. The tougher you are, the more crap you can take before you get offended or "hurt". It seems that you are saying that amount is 0 for you. Which translates to being wussy. And you don't want to be a wus, do you?

Call me what you will. The tougher you are, maybe, the more crap you can take, but the smarter you are, the less crap you dish out to people.

There is a difference between reckless endangerment (like showing a friend that you are better at driving and you crash... sounds reckless to me) and punching a friend in a friendly fight (not a big deal, no one is gonna get hurt unless someone does something quite dumb).

I don't think that the ultimate goal of man is to prove that he is not a wuss though. Sounds like a lame way to rank yourself.

Originally Posted by LLucido

Hello!Me and my girlfriend started to practice lucid dreaming something like 3 months ago. I got my first ld, and ones after it fairly easy and quickly but she on the other hand, despite the fact that she tried harder then me, never got a lucid till tonight. Except for this one occasion i didn't have a chance to futher test my theory, but as for now it worked 100% I came to a conclusion that it should be easy to attain lucidity if you could associate it with a strong emotion, becouse strong emotions that we had during the day are often reflected during dreaming. So as she was laying in bed ready to go to sleep, i went out of the room and seconds after i entered the room violently and loudly scaring the .... out of her screaming "it's a dream!", and even thought she was very scared she understood what it was for and did RT, even thought she wasn't doing it all day. So this night after she saw a zombie elder women , she did RT and became lucid. Her lucidity in this dream was like 6/10 but it was very long even thought it was her first So i think if you have someone to try it out with and he or she is good at scaring, you should give it a try. I think it's very important to get VERY scared and it should happen not long before sleep, and of course person scaring you has to scream "it's a dream" and it woulkd be good if you did RT. If anyone finds it helpful, let me know, good luck and don't try this with a weak heart, don't wanna have a heart attack

How can I use this method if I don't have anybody to scare me ???
Because I'm open to try every method which can make me have a lucid dream.

It is not radical and extremist, Avian, it is mature, adult, and empathetic. Using your level of hyperbole, the "pranksters" on the other side are truly evil, sadistic, barbarians.

but the smarter you are, the less crap you dish out to people

Pretty much sums it up right there.

Originally Posted by Sensei

Call me what you will. The tougher you are, maybe, the more crap you can take, but the smarter you are, the less crap you dish out to people.

To me, one cannot objectively judge pranks and their impact altogether.

Because your opinion on pranks is probably influenced by culture/habits/friends/general surroundings.
And while you can count upsides and downsides supporting each sides, this is no case of black and white.

Therefore both of you are right and wrong.

But I would never judge someone's intelligence or experience - whatever you mean by smart - on something based like this.
However you can judge someone by how reckless they would approach pranks.

The fact that Avian insulted FryingMan because of a difference of opinion strikes me as indicative of Avian's likely attitude: if he pranks you, and you don't appreciate it, you're a wuss. Maybe I'm missing something.

Originally Posted by Avian

Do you want to live in a world where everyone is always treading lightly because they are scared of offending someone or hurting someone? That kind of world doesn't sound fun. In fact, it sounds really lame and shitty.

I don't want to live in a dull world. But there is already too much hurt in the world, intended or not. And yes, before I do something, I think before I do it, if it will offend or hurt. When you say or do something that is not bad or mean, yet it still hurts someone, that happens and can't be always avoided. But if you do it on purpose, for your enjoyment, then you have no excuse. What you did is wrong.

Originally Posted by Avian

To sum up my argument: your attitude is a wussy one. The tougher you are, the more crap you can take before you get offended or "hurt". It seems that you are saying that amount is 0 for you. Which translates to being wussy. And you don't want to be a wus, do you?

Sounds like something a bully would say.

Originally Posted by Avian

Pranking someone is not intended to cause harm.

True. It is done solely for prankster's enjoyment. Feelings of the person being pranked be damned. I guess there is too much MTV shows where people are having fun on someone elses account and people get desensitized to what is right and wrong, what is empathy and sympathy, and how to have fun without making someone else scared, hurt or embarrased.

@OP
Sorry if we all misunderstood you. But I don't see anywhere in your OP or other posts, that you had permission to scare your friend. I only see you say it much later after some of your other posts.

If someone agrees with being scared, then that's a different story.

I would suggest that if you want to go the "nightmare" route, you could recall your nightmare, recall the scared feeling it gave you, do RCs and tell yourself next time you are scared you will look at your hands and realize you are dreaming. Mantras, RCs, intent, repetition, right state of mind is the way to go.

Originally Posted by gab

And yes, before I do something, I think before I do it, if it will offend or hurt.

Mindfulness in practice.

I, personally, do not like pranks and would not like anyone scaring me. I'm fine with being a wuss, thanks.
However, I can see this method being applied while watching a scary or creepy movie, perhaps.

Originally Posted by ResamVi

To me, one cannot objectively judge pranks and their impact altogether.

Because your opinion on pranks is probably influenced by culture/habits/friends/general surroundings.
And while you can count upsides and downsides supporting each sides, this is no case of black and white.

Therefore both of you are right and wrong.

But I would never judge someone's intelligence or experience - whatever you mean by smart - on something based like this.
However you can judge someone by how reckless they would approach pranks.

Maybe smart isn't the right word. Mature might be a better word there. Smart is highly objective and seems to vary from person to person from everything. I might be smarter or more knowledgeable than most people at one thing, but you might be smarter and more knowledgeable at another.

Originally Posted by Rockefeller

How can I use this method if I don't have anybody to scare me ???
Because I'm open to try every method which can make me have a lucid dream.

You can try to do what i'm trying right now. So as of now i completly gave up my daytime ld practice and dream journal and all i try once in a while before sleep is to reconstruct some intense emotion and connect it with the thought of having ld this night. I guess this will depend on how well and deep you can put your mind in the state of feeling some intense emotion without having any reason for it, but i guess you can practice it very well just by trying. It sounds, and probably is very simple, but the key is the ability to really get yourself sucked into some strong emotion and feel it with your whole body. It worked for me most of the time so far. It may be good to switch emotions you use, or not do it too often to not lose the instensity. Good luck

Originally Posted by LLucido

You can try to do what i'm trying right now. So as of now i completly gave up my daytime ld practice and dream journal and all i try once in a while before sleep is to reconstruct some intense emotion and connect it with the thought of having ld this night. I guess this will depend on how well and deep you can put your mind in the state of feeling some intense emotion without having any reason for it, but i guess you can practice it very well just by trying. It sounds, and probably is very simple, but the key is the ability to really get yourself sucked into some strong emotion and feel it with your whole body. It worked for me most of the time so far. It may be good to switch emotions you use, or not do it too often to not lose the instensity. Good luck

This is the basis for dream incubation. Connect your dreams to waking through a thought, emotion, and/or feeling.

Lucid dream induction is the incubation of awareness into a dream. This is why we tell yall to not just do RC'S habitually throughout the day, but feel them. Any more of a description of that feeling would cause people to go off course chasing a known feeling, so we tell them to make them meaningful to themselves.

@FryingMan
Thanks Grandma, but there is no need to put an absolute prohibition on jumping out and surprising people. In fact I think the OP performed more of a mild surprise than the terror-filled traumatic experiences you are describing. By your logic, surprise birthday parties would be outlawed, so your stance does seem a little extreme. If he jumped out and punched her it would be a completely different matter. Physical pranks CAN actually be harmful (not that the OP's method should even be described as a prank. Not sure who started that trend). But unless somebody does have a known heart condition or equivalent medical problem, I think the OP has an interesting idea. If you don't like it, don't do it.

Now back to the topic before it was derailed, I think this does show an interesting principle of dreams. The more impactful things during the day do seem IMO to show up more often in dreams. Attaching a thought of dreaming to these impactful events could be a nice lucid trick. Definitely worth a shot, especially if it continues to work for her. Honestly I'd do all kinds of bizarre things if they got me lucid 90% of the time

That's OK Zangetsu, you'll grow up someday, at least, maybe you will, if you learn to appreciate the wisdom of the grandmas around you.

Originally Posted by Zangetsu

@FryingMan
Thanks Grandma,

Please don't be rude.